Ladies and Gentlemen, This is Your Candidate Speaking!

 

11360500826_f8ceaf8f93_nIn a recent exchange, an online acquaintance posited that, surely, I  must not like Donald Trump, and worried that I was being too hasty in dismissing someone who might be a potential ally on an issue about which we both care very much.

Since both of those suppositions are inaccurate, I’d like to clear things up. First, I’ve never met Donald Trump. I don’t know if I’d like him or not. Over the course of my life, I’ve met, and liked, any number of people. Some of them have been pillars of rectitude. Some of them have been engaging rapscallions and others have been complete scoundrels. Most of them fall somewhere on the continuum represented by these three markers.

And yes, I have been fooled (rarely), and liked someone who turned out to be a reprobate, or even an absolute monster. Like my former son-in-law, who didn’t turn out the way I’d hoped. Or my former employee who’s currently on death row in Ohio for murdering his wife, his sister-in-law, his father-in-law and his toddler niece.

However, this hasn’t stopped me taking chances. Who knows, maybe I’d even take one on The Donald if I ever did meet him.

But second, and perhaps more importantly, it’s not true that I’ve been hasty in dismissing Donald Trump as a potential ally. As a matter of fact, I’ve been extraordinarily thorough and deliberate about it. It’s not my nature to write people off just because they say a thing or three that I don’t agree with. And I do believe that redemption is possible for all. And that that’s a jolly good thing, and very lucky for many of us.

I acknowledge that I think redemption for Donald Trump really would require more than mere human intervention, as I’m not sure he’s capable of repentance on his own (see below). But time, and life, are short. There are many more congenial and productive ways of spending my time than spending it trying to rescue Donald Trump from himself, and I’m not sure I could ever convince him to my way of thinking on just about anything. Also, I’m pretty sure that even without my efforts to drag him back from the Dark Side, Donald will prosper in ways that he finds congenial and which I could never compete with in a material, or probably any other, sense.

So, as a public service, I present, herewith, and with minimal editorial comment, The Donald in his own words. The citations are by no means exhaustive, and you’ll probably notice many that are missing (we all have our favorites), but, to me, they illustrate some of the reasons that Donald Trump’s political ambitions should not be encouraged, but rather that he should be sent packing, back to do whatever it is he does best, wherever he does it.

I’ve included several links (I can’t guarantee that they are CoC compliant), in case you believe I’ve misquoted Trump, taken his remarks out of context, or am misrepresenting his position. Be forewarned, however; if you dive deeper, many of his positions do not improve upon longer acquaintance.

If you’ve already decided, or after further consideration and deliberation, you decide, that Donald Trump’s lifetime oeuvre, or even just that portion of it since he started his presidential run, shows him to be a smart, knowledgeable, thoughtful, principled, moral and reflective man who will never embarrass you by his behavior and will always do what is best for this country in an upright and ethical way, who is someone you can point to, and tell your children and grandchildren that you’d like them to grow up like Trump, and who will represent you well at home and abroad, then good on you. Have at it.

But I won’t be joining you in full-throated support.

And not because I’m closed-minded, thoughtless, and rash.

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megaphoneDonald Trump on Ben Carson, November 2015, not long after Ben Carson took the lead in Iowa polls:

When he says he’s pathological — and he says that in the book, I don’t say that — and again, I’m not saying anything, I’m not saying anything other than pathological is a very serious disease. And he said he’s pathological, somebody said he has pathological disease.

That’s a big problem because you don’t cure that … as an example: child molesting. You don’t cure these people. You don’t cure a child molester. There’s no cure for it. Pathological, there’s no cure for that.

A child molester, there’s no cure for that. If you’re a child molester, there’s no cure. They can’t stop you. Pathological? There’s no cure.

He took a knife and he went after a friend! He lunged! He lunged that knife into the stomach of his friend. But, lo and behold, it hit the belt. It hit the belt, and the knife broke. Give me a break.

So I have a belt. Somebody hits me with a belt, it’s going in because the belt moves this way. It moves this way; it moves that way. He hit the belt buckle. Anybody have a knife? Want to try it on me? Believe me, it ain’t gonna work. You’re going to be successful, but he took the knife and went like this and he plunged it into the belt and, amazing, the belt stayed totally flat and the knife broke.

How stupid are the people of Iowa? How stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap?

megaphoneDonald Trump on his pro-choice past, August, 2015

What happened is friends of mine years ago were going to have a child, and it was going to be aborted, and it wasn’t aborted. That child today is a total superstar — a great, great child. And I saw that, and I saw other instances. And I am very, very proud to say that I am pro-life.

When asked by a Daily Caller reporter in September of 2015 whether he would have become pro-life if his friend’s child had turned out to be a ‘loser’ instead of a ‘total superstar,’ Trump responded with:

I’ve never thought of it. That’s an interesting question. I’ve never thought of it. Probably not, but I’ve never thought of it. I would say no, but in this case it was an easy one because he’s such an outstanding person.

megaphoneDonald Trump on international relations–November, 2015

I got to know [Vladimir Putin] very well because we were both on 60 Minutes, we were stablemates.

Clarifying editorial comment: Putin and Trump were the subject of two different segments on a single 60 Minutes program in September of 2015. Putin’s segment was filmed in Moscow. Trump’s segment was filmed in New York. The two men have never met.

megaphoneDonald Trump on how he acquires military and foreign policy expertise–August, 2015

Well, I watch the shows. I mean, I really see a lot of great– you know, when you watch your show and all of the other shows and you have the generals… Yeah, probably there are two or three. I mean, I like [John] Bolton. I think he’s, you know, a tough cookie, knows what he’s talking about.  [Colonel Jack] Jacobs is a good guy.”

megaphoneDonald Trump on women–1991-2015

You know, it doesn’t really matter what [the media] write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of [a**].

Oftentimes when I was sleeping with one of the top women in the world I would say to myself, thinking about me as a boy from Queens, ‘Can you believe what I am getting?’

I think Gloria [Allred] would be very very impressed with [my penis]. 

Gratuitous editorial comment: I do realize that it’s a lose-lose proposition when the choice before you for ‘most narcissistic publicity hound’ is between Donald Trump and Gloria Allred.

Yeah, [Ivanka’s] really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father . . . 

When a man leaves a woman, especially when it was perceived that he has left for a piece of [a**]—a good one!— there are 50 percent of the population who will love the woman who was left.

The bimbo [Megyn Kelly] back in town. I hope not for long 

Hillary Clinton has announced that she is letting her husband out to campaign but HE’S DEMONSTRATED A PENCHANT FOR SEXISM, so inappropriate! 

Gratuitous editorial comment: I do realize that it’s a lose-lose proposition when the choice before you for ‘most narcissistic unfaithful spouse’ is between Donald Trump and Bill Clinton.

Look at that face. I mean, she’s a woman, and I’m not supposed to say bad things, but really, come on. Are we serious? 

There are basically three types of women and reactions. One is the good woman who very much loves her future husband, solely for himself, but refuses to sign the [prenuptial] agreement on principle. I fully understand this, but the man should take a pass anyway and find someone else. The other is the calculating woman who refuses to sign the prenuptial agreement because she is expecting to take advantage of the poor, unsuspecting sucker she’s got in her grasp. There is also the woman who will openly and quickly sign a prenuptial agreement in order to make a quick hit and take the money given to her.”

megaphoneDonald Trump on trade–2011-2016

To China: “Listen you [redacted] we’re going to tax you at 25 percent.”

To Saudi Arabia: “We have nobody in Washington that sits back and said, You’re not going to raise that [redacted] price.”

To New Hampshire businesses who relocated to Mexico, (Feb. 4, 2016): “We’re gonna bring businesses back. We’re gonna have businesses that used to be in New Hampshire that are now in Mexico come back to New Hampshire, and you can tell them to go [redacted] themselves because they let you down and they left. We want the businesses that stayed.”

megaphoneDonald Trump on his favorite subject

My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well documented, are various other parts of my body.

Gratuitous editorial comment: And people think Ted Cruz is creepy.

Part of the beauty of me is that I’m very rich. 

megaphoneDonald Trump on religion—2015-2016

I have great relationship with God. I like to be good. I don’t like to have to ask for forgiveness. And I am good. I don’t do a lot of things that are bad. I try to do nothing that is bad.

I am not sure I have [ever asked God for forgiveness]. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don’t think so.

I don’t bring God into that picture. I don’t. 

So what [Ben Carson] is saying is that, these series of events, and he goes into the bathroom for a couple of hours and he comes out and now he’s religious. And the people of Iowa believe him. Give me a break. Give me a break. It doesn’t happen that way.

And, finally, in conclusion:

I rest my case.

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  1. Mike H Inactive
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    11360500826_f8ceaf8f93_nMorbol
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  2. Percival Thatcher
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    She: When he says he’s pathological — and he says that in the book, I don’t say that — and again, I’m not saying anything, I’m not saying anything other than pathological is a very serious disease. And he said he’s pathological, somebody said he has pathological disease.

    He has no clue what the word means.

    She: So I have a belt. Somebody hits me with a belt, it’s going in because the belt moves this way. It moves this way; it moves that way. He hit the belt buckle. Anybody have a knife? Want to try it on me? Believe me, it ain’t gonna work.

    Well, I just happen to have my poignard on me, and …

    On second thought, no. It is too knightly a weapon. Squire! Fetch a cudgel.

    She:

    My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well documented, are various other parts of my body.

    Spy Magazine once referred to him as a “short-fingered vulgarian” and he’s still upset about the “short-fingered” part.

    “My people were from Scotland – I’ve never even been to Vulgaria.”

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  3. Lucy Pevensie Inactive
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    Like.

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  4. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Donald makes a good point when comparing himself to the other candidates in that video.  If Cruz, Rubio, or Bush shot someone on 5th Avenue, their supporters would abandon them.  Some weenies wouldn’t want a president who can literally get away with murder.

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  5. Guruforhire Inactive
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    I am nothing if not helpful

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=victorian+fainting+couch&tbm=shop

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  7. Pencilvania Inactive
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    It’s hard to fathom how Sen. Jeff Sessions put up with all that dreck when he met with Trump to discuss immigration. And yet he did, didn’t he. I guess the Senator thought immigration was just that important.

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  8. Percival Thatcher
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    It was the late* great Graydon Carter who came up with the “short-fingered vulgarian” line.


    *He’s not dead? You sure? Somebody poke him with a poignard.

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  9. PHCheese Inactive
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    On the other hand She, we may need Donald as president because of the financial mess our country is in. He has lots of practice with bankruptcy. As I have said before he is living proof that a snake can mate with a cockroach.I heard he will pick Martin Shkreli as VP

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  10. Western Chauvinist Member
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    You know how Dennis Prager often says you don’t pick your brain surgeon based on his marital fidelity (paraphrasing)?

    When considering Donald Trump for president?… I got nuthin’.

    Devastating, She. It has me rethinking my vote for the Republican whoever is the nominee.

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  11. dittoheadadt Inactive
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    You had me at “hello.”

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  12. Tom Riehl Member
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    I truly appreciate Ricochet.  There are so many fine editors, contributors, and thoughtful commenters, along with a convivial atmosphere that is fairly safe from coarse language and ad-hominem attacks. This site is on my daily must-read list for good reasons.  It’s worth it just for the links to excellent material, the humor and the clever interplay among the Ricochetti.

    This post will generate many interesting comments since it is such a well-researched piece.  Wish I had the time and patience to analyze them and discover interesting conclusions, but I’ll sure be reading all of them.  Kudos to whoever green lighted this piece!  Trump bears analysis as a serious force in politics within this epochal election.

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  13. Trink Coolidge
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    Tom Riehl:I truly appreciate Ricochet. There are so many fine editors, contributors, and thoughtful commenters, along with a convivial atmosphere that is fairly safe from coarse language and ad-hominem attacks. This site is on my daily must-read list for good reasons. It’s worth it just for the links to excellent material, the humor and the clever interplay among the Ricochetti.

    This post will generate many interesting comments since it is such a well-researched piece. Wish I had the time and patience to analyze them and discover interesting conclusions, but I’ll sure be reading all of them. Kudos to whoever green lighted this piece! Trump bears analysis as a serious force in politics within this epochal election.

    Amen, Tom.  Amen.

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  14. She Member
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    Guruforhire:I am nothing if not helpful

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=victorian+fainting+couch&tbm=shop

    My great grandmother had one of these.  It was lustrous green velvet, and very lovely.  I never felt the need for it, myself.

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  15. Man With the Axe Inactive
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    “How did World War III start?”

    “While trying to negotiate a deal with the Russians, President Trump told Vladimir Putin to ‘F’ himself. No one is sure why, but I heard it might have to do with an argument they were having over which one had the longest fingers and which one gets the most [CofC].”

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  16. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
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    As a part of my morning routine I take my BP and resting pulse. I usually find something to read before doing so as a way of stabilizing things. I made the mistake of reading what passes for Trump’s thoughts before doing so this morning. As a consequence, my lovely graph of BP readings has a nasty hump where it rose well above its normal range.

    It remains indecipherable to me that intelligent and articulate people such as those on Ricochet and even one of my favorite commentators, John Derbyshire, are so enamored with Trump. I may agree with many of his “stated” goals, but the man himself remains as he has been called, a vulgarian, totally unfit to represent the people of these United States either in intellect or disposition. It is not wrong by any standard to wish an end to political correctness, but there is a great deal of distance between that goal and the base vulgarity of Trump and his essential amorality. We may not have ideal candidates in Rubio or Cruz, but the ideal is seldom achieved. Either of them would, at the very least, be a president in whom we could take some pride. Trump would simply be an embarrassing also ran, and we would be stuck with another Democrat for the next four to eight years.

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  17. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Eugene Kriegsmann: and we would be stuck with another Democrat for the next four to eight years.

    I think this would be true even if Trump won the general.

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  18. She Member
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    Eugene Kriegsmann:As a part of my morning routine I take my BP and resting pulse. I usually find something to read before doing so as a way of stabilizing things. I made the mistake of reading what passes for Trump’s thoughts before doing so this morning. As a consequence, my lovely graph of BP readings has a nasty hump where it rose well above its normal range.

    It remains indecipherable to me that intelligent and articulate people such as those on Ricochet and even one of my favorite commentators, John Derbyshire, are so enamored with Trump. I may agree with many of his “stated” goals, but the man himself remains as he has been called, a vulgarian, totally unfit to represent the people of these United States either in intellect or disposition. It is not wrong by any standard to wish an end to political correctness, but there is a great deal of distance between that goal and the base vulgarity of Trump and his essential amorality. We may not have ideal candidates in Rubio or Cruz, but the ideal is seldom achieved. Either of them would, at the very least, be a president in whom we could take some pride. Trump would simply be an embarrassing also ran, and we would be stuck with another Democrat for the next four to eight years.

    Exactly.  One of the links I point to in the OP discusses Trump’s vulgarity, and implies that it’s an entertaining substitute for principles, a world view, and a strategy.  The point that the author makes is that Ronald Reagan, who had all of those things, had no need to say, “Mr Gorbachev, tear down this [redacted] wall” because there was an actual plan behind his words.

    In reality, I don’t suppose the idea that Reagan would say anything remotely like that ever came up.

    I expect Peter Robinson would know.

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  19. OldDan Member
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    She:Donald Trump on his pro-choice past, August, 2015

    What happened is friends of mine years ago were going to have a child, and it was going to be aborted, and it wasn’t aborted. That child today is a total superstar — a great, great child. And I saw that, and I saw other instances. And I am very, very proud to say that I am pro-life.

    When asked by a Daily Caller reporter in September of 2015 whether he would have become pro-life if his friend’s child had turned out to be a ‘loser’ instead of a ‘total superstar,’ Trump responded with:

    I’ve never thought of it. That’s an interesting question. I’ve never thought of it. Probably not, but I’ve never thought of it. I would say no, but in this case it was an easy one because he’s such an outstanding person.

    Based on this exposition of The Donald’s purely anecdotal (i.e. without underlying moral or philosophical principle) support for a pro-life position, how much can he be trusted to uphold and defend it? How principled are his positions on anything else, other than growing the Trump brand? What reason does anyone have to trust him?

    Still, if it comes down to Trump or Clinton… You can trust the Democrats to continue to do as they have been doing (with perhaps a few exceptions- don’t ask me for examples) since Woodrow Wilson.

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  20. drlorentz Member
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    Man With the Axe:“How did World War III start?”

    “While trying to negotiate a deal with the Russians, President Trump told Vladimir Putin to ‘F’ himself. No one is sure why, but I heard it might have to do with an argument they were having over which one had the longest fingers and which one gets the most [CofC].”

    Interestingly, there is no reference to Putin in that link. But it’s a good read. The subtitle is dead on:

    And, my dear fellow Republicans, he’s [Trump] all your fault.

    Tucker Carlson goes on to remind us how corrupt and out of touch Washington is. He makes this acute observation:

    Let’s imagine it’s [Washington] the capital of an African country, say Burkina Faso, and we are doing a study on corruption. Probably the first question we’d ask: How many government officials have close relatives who make a living by influencing government spending? A huge percentage of them? OK. Case closed.

    It’s quite possible to dislike Trump intensely and simultaneously find some truth in his pronouncements. Besides opening the Overton Window on  immigration and other issues, he’s laid bare the fecklessness of the Republican Party. Not bad for a vulgarian from Queens.

    Another worthy quote: when Trump is asked

    if you’re so opposed to Hillary Clinton, why did she come to your last wedding?

    Trump’s response, delivered without pause or embarrassment: Because I paid her to be there.

    Read Carlson’s explanation.

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  21. She Member
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    OldDan:

    She:Donald Trump on his pro-choice past, August, 2015

    What happened is friends of mine years ago were going to have a child, and it was going to be aborted, and it wasn’t aborted. That child today is a total superstar — a great, great child. And I saw that, and I saw other instances. And I am very, very proud to say that I am pro-life.

    When asked by a Daily Caller reporter in September of 2015 whether he would have become pro-life if his friend’s child had turned out to be a ‘loser’ instead of a ‘total superstar,’ Trump responded with:

    I’ve never thought of it. That’s an interesting question. I’ve never thought of it. Probably not, but I’ve never thought of it. I would say no, but in this case it was an easy one because he’s such an outstanding person.

    Based on this exposition of The Donald’s purely anecdotal (i.e. without underlying moral or philosophical principle) support for a pro-life position, how much can he be trusted to uphold and defend it? How principled are his positions on anything else, other than growing the Trump brand? What reason does anyone have to trust him?

    Still, if it comes down to Trump or Clinton… You can trust the Democrats to continue to do as they have been doing (with perhaps a few exceptions- don’t ask me for examples) since Woodrow Wilson.

    I completely agree with you, and you’re not the first to make the point that’s contained in your last paragraph.  Still, I’m intrigued that the old saying “better the devil you know than the devil you don’t” seems to have been turned on its head for this election.

    I hope it doesn’t come down to that.

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  22. Nick Stuart Inactive
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    Trump Derangement Syndrome fever burns bright amongst TPTB, but seriously the Francis Baconesque caricature of Trump selected to accompany this post is unseemly and unworthy of Ricochet.

    Let’s remember that the primary will be over someday, and the overarching objective will be keeping the keys to the White House out of the hands of the Godmother of the Clinton Crime Family.

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  23. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Nick Stuart: Trump Derangement Syndrome fever burns bright amongst TPTB, but seriously the Francis Baconesque caricature of Trump selected to accompany this post is unseemly and unworthy of Ricochet.

    Strongly disagree. The only person making a grotesque caricature of Donald Trump is Donald Trump. If I didn’t see it with my own eyes, I wouldn’t believe it possible.

    She’s post is quite measured and thoughtful by any comparison to Trump.

    Nick Stuart: Let’s remember that the primary will be over someday, and the overarching objective will be keeping the keys to the White House out of the hands of the Godmother of the Clinton Crime Family.

    While I strongly agree with this, it will not be my proudest moment if, in order to accomplish the objective, I have to vote for Trump.

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  24. tigerlily Member
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    Thanks for posting these in one place.

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  25. Knotwise the Poet Member
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    Nick Stuart:Trump Derangement Syndrome fever burns bright amongst TPTB, but seriously the Francis Baconesque caricature of Trump selected to accompany this post is unseemly and unworthy of Ricochet.

    Let’s remember that the primary will be over someday, and the overarching objective will be keeping the keys to the White House out of the hands of the Godmother of the Clinton Crime Family.

    I do think the caricature-picture is a bit much, but other than that I see no Trump Derangement Syndrome in the original post, just a well-researched list of embarrassing,  crude, and/or troubling Trumpisms.  Gosh, it raised my spirits to see him lose in Iowa and only barely beat Rubio for 2nd.

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  26. drlorentz Member
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    Western Chauvinist:

    Nick Stuart: Let’s remember that the primary will be over someday, and the overarching objective will be keeping the keys to the White House out of the hands of the Godmother of the Clinton Crime Family.

    While I strongly agree with this, it will not be my proudest moment if, in order to accomplish the objective, I have to vote for Trump.

    Sometimes Almost always one has to hold one’s nose in politics. This should not be construed as an endorsement of Trump.

    “Godmother of the Clinton Crime Family.” Mr. Stuart deserves some kind of prize for this. Well done, sir.

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  27. She Member
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    Nick Stuart:Trump Derangement Syndrome fever burns bright amongst TPTB, but seriously the Francis Baconesque caricature of Trump selected to accompany this post is unseemly and unworthy of Ricochet.

    Let’s remember that the primary will be over someday, and the overarching objective will be keeping the keys to the White House out of the hands of the Godmother of the Clinton Crime Family.

    You’re right.  I should have used this one.

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  28. She Member
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    Nick Stuart:Trump Derangement Syndrome fever burns bright . . .

    This reminds me of a jar of pills I kept in a secret drawer in my desk, all through my illustrious IT management career.  On rare, but necessary, occasions, I would withdraw it, show it to the person on the other side of the desk, and advise them not to make me take one, as we didn’t know if it would cure the condition, or give me a virulent case of it.

    They were pills from a veterinary supply company, intended as a nutritional supplement for a lactating mother dog, and yes, the label on the bottle proudly proclaimed them a BI-CH PILLS.

    I’m just as unsure about Trump Derangement Syndrome.  Is it something Trump’s detractors suffer from, or something his adherents aspire to?

    One of the enduring images of political campaigns both here and in Britain is that of families going to see their favorite candidates before the election.  Baby-kissing, all that sort of stuff, you know the drill.

    Parents taking their kids to see the the guy they believe will do the best job as President, or Prime Minister, maybe getting their photo taken with their candidate, or getting to ask a question about what the candidate is going to be able to do to make sure the kids inherit a better world, or maybe none of the above, maybe just taking the kids or grandkids to breathe the same air as future President Whatshisname, so that they can tell their kids or grandkids about it forty, or fifty, or sixty years hence.

    Candidates bracing themselves for the inevitable onslaught of snot, drool and sick, as they pose for the picture that just might be on the front of the local paper and win them a few more votes.

    I can only imagine.

    Grandpa, did you ever see President Trump in person?

    Yes indeed, little Jimmy.  And I remember it well.  I was five years old and in the crowd when he dropped the F-bomb on the voters of New Hampshire, five days before the primary.

    I wonder if Trump supporters mind that sort of thing?  (The cheap shot, which I refuse to take, is that of course they don’t, they are too [fill in the blank] to notice).

    But I don’t believe that for a moment.  Of course they mind.  They would be deranged if they didn’t.

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  29. Randy Webster Inactive
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    She: Still, I’m intrigued that the old saying “better the devil you know than the devil you don’t” seems to have been turned on its head for this election.

    I’ve had that thought, too.

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  30. Western Chauvinist Member
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    drlorentz:

    Western Chauvinist:

    Nick Stuart: Let’s remember that the primary will be over someday, and the overarching objective will be keeping the keys to the White House out of the hands of the Godmother of the Clinton Crime Family.

    While I strongly agree with this, it will not be my proudest moment if, in order to accomplish the objective, I have to vote for Trump.

    Sometimes Almost always one has to hold one’s nose in politics. This should not be construed as an endorsement of Trump.

    There’s a difference between having to compromise to vote for McCain or Romney, and being ashamed of participating in a process that would put either Felony or Trump in the Oval. That’s where this seems to be headed.

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