On this edition, a wide ranging interview with Representative Devin Nunes (R – CA22), the ranking member on the House Intelligence Committee and its Chairman from 2015-19.

Among the topics discussed: The Steele Dossier and the current state of the Durham investigation, the politicization of the Intelligence Community and the Department of Justice, the readiness of our military and the aftermath of the January 6th riot at the Capitol.

Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie is, in many ways, a more polished version of Donald Trump. Blunt and outspoken, he has never been shy about engaging in political pugilistics. In this interview he takes on Trump’s post-election behavior, the Biden Administration and his own future and how that intertwines with that of his party and his country.

This interview took place on September 23, 2021 as part of the Texas Tribune Festival and we thank them for allowing us to present it here as part of this series.


In January of 2016 National Review published a cover story titled “Against Trump,” a collection of short essays opposing the eventual nomination (and election) of Donald Trump as 45th President of the United States.

Rich Lowry, the editor of National Review, sat down with David Drucker to review the motivations behind that issue – and what they got right and what they got wrong – concerning what was to come in a Trump Administration.

This podcast is a companion to David Drucker’s book In Trump’s Shadow: The Battle for 2024 and the Future of the GOP and is now available wherever books are sold.

Jason Miller, Communications Director for Trump/Pence at the Trump National Golf Course in Bedminster, NJ in Nov. 2016 (Photo: a katz / Shutterstock)

Jason Miller is a longtime GOP operative. He witnessed Donald Trump’s rise to the White House, first as an opponent working for Sen. Ted Cruz (R – TEX) and then as the spokesman for his campaign after he won the nomination.

Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski of MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” moderate a town hall with Republican presidential candidate Donald J. Trump in Charleston, South Carolina on Feb. 17, 2016 (Photo: Mark Peterson/Redux / Redux for NBC News File)

Before there was Donald Trump the politician, there was Donald Trump the TV personality. Before there was Joe Scarborough the TV personality, there was Joe Scarborough the politician.

Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas is unapologetic about his interest in running for president in 2024. He has made multiple trips to Iowa and New Hampshire this year — and the year isn’t over.

In this episode, Cotton talks about his future, Trump’s impact on the future of the GOP, and where the two of them might differ (hint: they don’t agree on everything.)

U.S. Representative Liz Cheney speaking at an anti-abortion/anti-infanticide press conference outside the United States Capitol. (Shutterstock File Photo)

Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming began the Trump era a rising Republican star. She was elected to the House of Representatives in 2016, the same year Donald Trump was elected president, and quickly advanced in the GOP congressional leadership. It all came crashing down this year, when Cheney rejected Trump, very publicly, after he refused to concede defeat to President Joe Biden and claimed the 2020 election was stolen.

Mike Pompeo began the Trump era as an opponent of the future 45th president. But by the time Donald Trump exited the White House in January 2021, the former CIA director and former Secretary of State had emerged as perhaps his most trusted Cabinet official.

In this episode, Pompeo talks Afghanistan; discusses his experience in the Trump administration, sounds off on the former president’s impact on the Republican Party; and addresses the question of how Trump’s plans for a 2024 bid might impact his own presidential ambitions.

Introducing In Trump’s Shadow.