The King of Stuff welcomes Matt Welch, editor-at-large for Reason.com and co-host of The Fifth Column podcast. Jon and Matt chat about the rise of political independents, the negative polarization of modern parties, and celebrate the 31st anniversary of the Velvet Revolution!

Subscribe to the King of Stuff Spotify playlist featuring picks from Jon and his guest. Being International Teenage Fanclub Month, Matt chose the Scottish band’s album Songs from Northern Britain and Jon chose Bandwagonesque.