Hubwonk host Joe Selvaggi and Pioneer Healthcare Senior Fellow Josh Archambault are joined by Hoover Institution’s Dr. Lanhee Chen to discuss the role that the World Health Organization (WHO) plays, what dysfunction may have contributed to the scale of the COVID-19 pandemic, and what steps can be taken to bring back transparency and trust.

The U.S. economy is in freefall, as a month of COVID-19 economic lockdowns has driven tens of millions into the unemployment lines. But how do we begin to restore the economy without sacrificing public health?
In mid-April, the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity (FREOPP) put out a plan to do just that. On this episode of American Wonk, three of the plan’s co-authors—Lanhee Chen of the Hoover Institution, Bob Kocher of Stanford, and Avik Roy of FREOPP—talk about their approach.

The group warns that we may be far away from scaling up testing, or developing effective treatments for COVID-19, and that we therefore have to think about ways to reopen the economy even if the pandemic endures.

You can read the full plan at, and a summary of the plan at the Wall Street Journal.

We’re a full month into full lockdown and quite frankly. we’re just about fully filled with aggravation about it. We vent to each other and then we bring in a couple of really smart guys (and coincidentally, Ricochet podcasters): Avik Roy and Lanhee Chen. They (along with Bob Kocher and others) have published A New Strategy for Bringing People Back to Work During COVID-19 a manual for safely re-starting the economy. We delve into detail about how to get people of all ages and backgrounds back into the workforce while putting into place safeguards to prevent another round of infections and another shutdown. Also, should we be buying goods from China? Changing My Mind on “Country of Origin” Labeling Thanks to China,  This week’s Lileks Post of The Week by BucknellDad tackles that topic. Finally, what are the podcasts the podcasters listen to? Well, you’ll have to listen t this podcast to find out.

Music from this week’s show: Lord Have Mercy on the Working Man by Travis Tritt

This week, some thoughts on the Khashoggi murder, a deep dive into the Catholic Church scandals with the great Rod Dreher, and our mid-term preview with Ricochet’s newest podcaster, Lahnee Chen (subscribe to his show!). Also, you thought we weren’t going to give our take on Elizabeth Warren’s DNA test? No way, Chief.

Music from this week’s podcast  Bad Blood by Taylor Swift

In our last episode, taped in March of 2017, we spoke to Zeke Emanuel, one of the architects of the Affordable Care Act. Today, we’re going to talk to one of the guys who has played a leading role in thinking about how to replace Obamacare: Lanhee Chen.

Lanhee is best known for his role in Mitt Romney’s two presidential campaigns—he was Romney’s director of domestic policy in 2008, and director of all policy in 2012. In 2016, he was a policy advisor to Marco Rubio.