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After that brief junket interview, Jon talks with Jonah Goldberg, co-founder of The Dispatch, host of The Remnant podcast, and author of Suicide of the West. We discuss how to strengthen American institutions when the institutions have failed, the “need” for college, and where conservatism goes from here. Jon also challenges Jonah to answer the most burning question of our age: “Timothée Chalamet: For him or agin’ him?”