George F. Will, for many people, has long been a conservative’s conservative. The very model of a conservative. Today, however, many people don’t think of him as a conservative at all. Sean Hannity, Steve Bannon, or Donald Trump, yes. George Will, no.

Jay takes up this strange question with his guest. In addition to “conservative,” Jay asks Will about some other words and phrases, including “America First” and “deep state.” They further talk about the Confederacy and its monuments. And North Korea. And Afghanistan. And, to close, baseball.

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The sage George F. Will joins Jay and Mona to discuss the progress of Trumpcare, the condition of our political parties, and what daily lying does to our civic culture.

Jay and Mona then turn to the violence that Putin critics keep encountering, the hate crime hoaxes, Manafort, a rape in Maryland, Bannon, Nowruz, and dogs.

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October is a big month for the baseball world. And Jay would like nothing better than to talk baseball with George Will — which he does.

Will wrote a blockbuster baseball book, Men at Work. It keeps selling and selling. He himself is an encyclopedia of baseball. He has opinions, as everyone does, and they are all undergirt by facts.

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