Ben Hubbard, the Beirut bureau chief of the New York Times, has written a new book: “MBS: The Rise to Power of Mohammed bin Salman.” Jay talks to him about this consequential young ruler. Is he a liberal reformer? What about the “guests” at the Ritz-Carlton? How about the kidnapping of the Lebanese PM? What about Trump and Jared? And the murder of Khashoggi? And the bugging of Bezos’s phone? What about women’s rights? Women are allowed to drive now – but why are women’s-rights campaigners in prison? MBS is a very interesting subject, and Ben Hubbard knows this subject inside out.

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