What Liberals Really Want


In the current Weekly Standard, Wesley Smith writes about the Independent Payment Advisory Board, the panel of 15 experts that would sit atop the Obamacare bureaucracy, issuing diktats. In the course of his discussion, Wesley provides a succinct account of what four more years of Barack Obama would do to the country:

Today’s liberal agenda is…akin to the corporatist vision of the 1920s and ’30s​—​an economy in which the state directs the activities of the private sector to achieve ideologically desired ends. But even that description doesn’t quite get to the nub of it. Liberals today seek to create a stable, and what they perceive to be a socially just, society via rule by experts​—​in which most of the activities of society are micromanaged by technocrats for the economic and social benefit of the whole. In other words, social democracy without the messiness of democracy, like the European Union’s rule-by-bureaucrats-in-Brussels. This is the “fundamental transformation” that President Obama seeks to implement in this country.

The United States of America, ruled by a Brussels-like elite.

Obamacare delenda est.

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  1. Profile photo of DocJay Member

    I posted an article this am on congressman Joe Heck who has not only hard at work attempting to repeal obamacare but has solid ideas to replace our system over time. He is a physician and a Colonel. He will be one of the main politicians involved in replacing obamacare with something practical. Failure to address the problem after a repeal is every bit as deadly as letting obamacare stand!

    We discussed the IPAB and it’s 15 unelected stooges last night with a bunch of conservative physicians. There was more brain power in that room than all of DC regarding health care.

    • #1
    • September 27, 2012 at 11:04 am
  2. Profile photo of ConservativeWanderer Inactive

    Mr. Robinson:

    There is a word for a totalitarian state where the government and corporations cooperate to maintain control.


    Please use it as appropriate. You may substitute the inestimable Mr. Goldberg’s version and call it Liberal Fascism if you wish.

    • #2
    • September 27, 2012 at 11:07 am
  3. Profile photo of Mark Member

    I agree with this assessment. The best way to think about it is that we will be governed by the tenured faculty of a liberal arts college who will instruct the children as they best see fit and send a tuition bill to the parents anytime they run low on money.

    • #3
    • September 27, 2012 at 11:10 am
  4. Profile photo of Lavaux Inactive

     It’s expensive to relocate an American corporation and its operations abroad, but once done, the benefits just keep on benefiting the shareholders. Keep that in mind when positing whether a Brussels-like elite will rule an America that is worth as much as it was before they took control. Do you really think Hugo Chavez or Daniel Ortega likes his job?

    Maybe an analogy is in order: A band of squatters reconvenes the HOA board of an abandoned subdivision and enacts an exactment on all abandoned lots to raise money to buy some food.

    • #4
    • September 27, 2012 at 11:28 am
  5. Profile photo of Aaron Miller Member

    ConservativeWanderer is absolutely right, Peter. Call it what it is, with all the negative associations the word carries. We can’t afford to let politicians and citizens discuss these ideas as if they are civil and reasonable alternatives to Constitutional government.

    Fascism is as dangerous and immoral today as it ever was. Modern fascism will get just as ugly if we allow it to become the political norm.

    • #5
    • September 27, 2012 at 11:38 am
  6. Profile photo of BD Member

    Rule By Arrogant Dweeb Society.

    • #6
    • September 27, 2012 at 11:50 am
  7. Profile photo of Paul DeRocco Member

    Fascist is the appropriate term for Obama. Liberals will squeal, but they’ve been using that word for so long, as a general invective against anyone they don’t like, that they’ve forgotten that it once actually meant something in particular, and what it meant matches Obama quite accurately. He even has the obligatory personality cult, something unprecedented in American history.

    • #7
    • September 28, 2012 at 3:17 am
  8. Profile photo of David Foster Member

    The “progressivism” of which Obama is the avatar does have many Fascist components, in addition to Marxist components…the former elements include the obsessive focus on race/ethnicity and the mystical beliefs of many adherents (magical crystals, a conscious Gaiaa, etc), as well as economic corporatism. Today’s “progressivism” differs from classical Fascism mainly in its embrace of feminism and its pseudo-pacifism.

    • #8
    • September 28, 2012 at 3:36 am
  9. Profile photo of SPare Member

    Obamacare delenda est….

    Truer words could not be spoken- take it from this Canadian. Government run health care means the end of even the possibility of real conservative governance. The opportunities to demagogue limited government become just too easy, even as the corporatist approach fails, and is visibly seen to fail.

    You may be aware that we had a Supreme Court decision come down 4-5 years ago that access to a waiting list is not access to health care, and that private options must be made available. and yet, even that did not pierce the armour of ignorance around the imagined benevolent nature of government provided health care.

    Kill it now, while it’s in its crib, otherwise, the whole of the US system will go down the tubes. Your upcoming election really is the whole ball game, and the libs know it.

    • #9
    • September 28, 2012 at 5:25 am
  10. Profile photo of Vance Richards Member

    If the panel was made up of 15 of the truly best and brightest, operating with only good intentions, it would be a disaster. However, in real life this would be 15 political appointees with agendas and political favors to repay. Even worse.

    Wake up America! This stuff matters

    • #10
    • September 28, 2012 at 7:51 am
  11. Profile photo of BrentB67 Inactive

    The IPAB is a disaster, but what is the plan for paying fee for service healthcare for the entire population greater than 65 for 15+ years? 

    IPAB isn’t the way to go, but even a horrible plan may be better than what we have now, which is no plan to deal with Medicare explosion.

    • #11
    • September 28, 2012 at 9:07 am
  12. Profile photo of grotiushug Inactive
    Peter Robinson: The United States of America, ruled by a Brussels-like elite.

    Obamacare delenda est. · · 1 hour ago

    Well, sure–until the money runs out. What happens next is what scares the hell out of me. 

    • #12
    • September 28, 2012 at 12:29 pm