Romney Begins Anti-Santorum Onslaught

 

Earlier today, Mollie showcased Rick Santorum’s new ad taking aim at Mitt Romney. Knowing the Romney campaign’s history, is it any surprise that Restore our Future, the super PAC backing the former governor, is also out with a new ad hitting Santorum? Watch it below:

Alexander Burns at Politico reports that this is part of an ad buy of more than $500,000 in Michigan, $250,000 in Ohio, and an unspecified smaller amount (under $100,000) in Arizona.

What say the members? Who has put up the more effective ad in the first round of jockeying for the Wolverine State?

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  1. Profile photo of Chris Deleon Inactive

    Here’s the corresponding Romney site: http://romneyfacts.com/

    • #1
    • February 15, 2012 at 10:44 am
  2. Profile photo of John Murdoch Member

    That’s the best they could come up with? That in all of his time in Congress, and twelve years in the Senate, he voted to raise the debt limit 5 times?

    And somehow this is going to make me want to vote for the architect of RomneyCare/ObamaCare?

    If that’s all the nasty they could come up with, I think it makes Santorum look pretty good. I mean, it’s not like he was the bishop of a church that claims to “re-baptize” Jewish victims of the Holocaust or anything crazy like that.

    • #2
    • February 15, 2012 at 10:46 am
  3. Profile photo of Chris Deleon Inactive

    The attack is not very effective, in my opinion– of course I’m biased, but I think most people realize a senator’s votes can be distorted and taken out of context in many ways. For example, if some pork project is attached to a bill to fund the military, what choice does a senator have? About giving convicted felons to vote, they already hashed that one out in the debates.

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    • February 15, 2012 at 10:48 am
  4. Profile photo of ultra vires Inactive

    As a classical liberal who as of last week said he would probably vote Obama before Santorum (meaning I would not vote) I was just starting to come around to put Santorum ahead of Obama (because of his excellent interviews this past Sunday); this ad pushes me back to not voting if Santorum is nominated – but it does not make me want to vote for Romney either.

    • #4
    • February 15, 2012 at 10:49 am
  5. Profile photo of James Gawron Coolidge

    Troy,

    Why gee Troy this is looking more and more like GOOD v. EVIL.

    The triangulating RINO with “ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY” (term comes from the phrase ‘not for any amount of money!’)

    V.

    Descent Guy who isn’t perfect but listens to the people and loves his family and his wife (one is enough for him).

    If the people of Michigan have any brains and integrity left, they know who to vote for.

    Regards,

    Jim

    • #5
    • February 15, 2012 at 10:54 am
  6. Profile photo of Palaeologus Member

    I’ll give the first round to Rick, though I think this was an effective spot.

    An interesting point about this ad: it didn’t attack Rick for his Catholicism.

    • #6
    • February 15, 2012 at 10:59 am
  7. Profile photo of billy Member

    So it begins.

    • #7
    • February 15, 2012 at 11:07 am
  8. Profile photo of Chris Deleon Inactive

    Right now in Michigan, Gingrich is Romney’s best friend. He’ll continue to split the votes of the people not satisfied with Romney. You won’t hear a peep from Romney’s camp about Gingrich, I bet.

    • #8
    • February 15, 2012 at 11:11 am
  9. Profile photo of Sisyphus Member

    I’m really tired of hearing about debt limit votes as a disqualifier for office. The debt limit is the nuclear option, the way to proceed is to soberly and systematically reduce federal spending to a sustainable level. Would I have voted to raise the debt ceiling? If I couldn’t get an acceptible package of spending reductions in trade for my vote, probably not. But as a predictor, Obama’s votes against raising the ceiling were such a fine indicator.Prudent governance demands we make the hard decisions in the course of the budget process. Campaign on restoring the budget process and retiring Steny Hoyer, et. al., not ten year old debt ceiling votes.

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    • February 15, 2012 at 11:18 am
  10. Profile photo of Paul A. Rahe Contributor

    If Romney wins, his first act will be to ask Congress to raise the debt ceiling. Hell, if Ron Paul were to win, he would do the same. Short term, there is no choice. This advertisement is intended for the terminally ignorant.

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    • February 15, 2012 at 11:27 am
  11. Profile photo of Chris Deleon Inactive
    Paul A. Rahe: If Romney wins, his first act will be to ask Congress to raise the debt ceiling. Hell, if Ron Paul were to win, he would do the same. Short term, there is no choice. This advertisement is intended for the terminally ignorant.

    Romney is coming apart.

    Although I’ve advocated for not raising the debt limit, I do understand that is considered an extreme view, and I know most people won’t agree with me. Furthermore, I don’t knock my leaders for looking at the short-term consequences and thinking to themselves, there must be another way if we just keep fighting. I just happen to believe we need extreme medicine.

    • #11
    • February 15, 2012 at 11:31 am
  12. Profile photo of Leporello Inactive
    ultra vires: As a classical liberal who as of last week said he would probably vote Obama before Santorum (meaning I would not vote) I was just starting to come around to put Santorum ahead of Obama (because of his excellent interviews this past Sunday); this ad pushes me back to not voting if Santorum is nominated – but it does not make me want to vote for Romney either. · 47 minutes ago

    Then I recommend reading the Weekly Standard’s latest defense of Santorum’s fiscal conservatism. I think the article fails to concede that Santorum voted for Medicare part D, No Child Left Behind, and some other nasty Big Government bills that no conservative had any business supporting, but the article still makes a strong point. (Also, Santorum has said he was wrong to support No Child Left Behind and wants to repeal it. Sure would be nice if Mr. Romney said the same thing about some of his errors, wouldn’t it?)

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    • February 15, 2012 at 11:41 am
  13. Profile photo of CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member

    (sarcasm on) This ad is so compelling! Oooohhh — Santorum was a US Senator! He voted with his party repeatedly! OMG — that is so horrible! I can’t believe it! (sarcasm off)

    I am not (yet?) a Santorum convert — in a way, I’d still rather vote “None of the above.” However, I wonder how Mitt Romney would have voted if he’d been in the Senate… oh, that’s right, he lost when he tried to get in… Tell me again why the Romney camp thinks he’s so electable?

    • #13
    • February 15, 2012 at 11:41 am
  14. Profile photo of LH Neal Inactive

    Is the issue about raising the debt ceiling or is it about negative ads? If it’s about the later, I say let everyone bring it on! Whoever opposes Obama will have faced negative attack ads already, and he will be the stronger for it in the general election. Part of what we need to know about our nominee is how he can handle this kind of onslaught (i.e. Newt, not very well).

    • #14
    • February 15, 2012 at 11:44 am
  15. Profile photo of Troy Senik Editor
    Troy Senik Post author

    MT ~

    This same thought crossed my mind. Does anyone really think the (imagined) Republican senator from Massachusetts would have played the role of a Jim DeMint or Tom Coburn during those years? Would Romney have been the lonely voice against raising the debt ceiling? Would he have been the one blowing the whistle on the Bush Administration’s spending habits? Heck, would he have even done that if he was the junior senator from Utah?

    Mama Toad: I am not (yet?) a Santorum convert — in a way, I’d still rather vote “None of the above.” However, I wonder how Mitt Romney would have voted if he’d been in the Senate · 9 minutes ago
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    • February 15, 2012 at 11:55 am
  16. Profile photo of Frozen Chosen Thatcher
    Chris Deleon

    Wow. GW Bush a “progressive”? And you want us to vote for Romney? I’d take Bush over Romney any day, for all his faults.

    As I said, you’re grasping at straws now.

    Romney not a career politician? He’s been in politics since 1992, at least, although not full time. That’s because he lost. In 2006, he declined to run rather than lose– if he had, he’d probably have lost even bigger than Santorum lost that same year.

    Romney more electable? Hasn’t that myth been trampled to a bloody pulp by now? · 1 minute ago

    Chris,

    Dr Rahe is the one calling GWB a progressive so take it up with him if you have a problem.

    As far as Romney being a career politician, how old was Mitt when he first ran for office in 1994? That’s right, 47 yrs old! That means he spent at least 25 years doing something other than politics.

    Time to get some new talking points, brother.

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    • February 16, 2012 at 1:00 am
  17. Profile photo of katievs Member
    Frozen Chosen: I maintain that Santorum is cut from the same “progressive” cloth as George W Bush. I am unaware of any major Bush spending plan that Santorum voted against while he was in the senate.

    This doesn’t make Santorum any worse than most GOP senators during the Bush years but he sure isn’t the Tea Party conservative saviour some are making him out to be.

    It’s important to consider what he’s saying now.

    He is four square behind the Tea Party. He regrets many of his big government votes. He thinks the explosive growth in government over the last decade make dramatic reductions in government spending an urgent priority. He passionately and articulately opposes government mandated health care, cap and trade and bailouts. He wants to get the federal government out of education…

    The platform he’s running on is more conservative and more convincingly so than Romney’s. That’s the long and short of it.

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    • February 16, 2012 at 1:10 am
  18. Profile photo of Chris Deleon Inactive
    Frozen Chosen: Dr Rahe is the one calling GWB a progressive so take it up with him if you have a problem.

    As far as Romney being a career politician, how old was Mitt when he first ran for office in 1994? That’s right, 47 yrs old!

    Time to get some new talking points, brother.

    Again, if GWB is a progressive, why should we go for Romney? Your own point undermines your candidate. Do you think about your own talking points, brother?

    Romney started his career in politics 20 years ago, and my point is that based on that, he’s got some gumption calling out others for being career politicians. He may not have spent his whole life at it, but he doesn’t have much ground to stand on for that criticism.

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    • February 16, 2012 at 1:24 am
  19. Profile photo of Frozen Chosen Thatcher
    katievs
    Frozen Chosen: I maintain that Santorum is cut from the same “progressive” cloth as George W Bush. I am unaware of any major Bush spending plan that Santorum voted against while he was in the senate.

    This doesn’t make Santorum any worse than most GOP senators during the Bush years but he sure isn’t the Tea Party conservative saviour some are making him out to be.

    It’s important to consider what he’s saying now.

    He is four square behind the Tea Party. He regrets many of his big government votes. He thinks the explosive growth in government over the last decade make dramatic reductions in government spending an urgent priority. He passionately and articulately opposes government mandated health care, cap and trade and bailouts. He wants to get the federal government out of education…

    The platform he’s running on is more conservative and more convincingly so than Romney’s. That’s the long and short of it. · 15 minutes ago

    So, Katievs, how come Santorum can become more conservative since leaving office but Romney can’t?

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    • February 16, 2012 at 1:38 am
  20. Profile photo of James Of England Moderator
    Troy Senik, Ed.: MT ~

    This same thought crossed my mind. Does anyone really think the (imagined) Republican senator from Massachusetts would have played the role of a Jim DeMint or Tom Coburn during those years? Would Romney have been the lonely voice against raising the debt ceiling? Would he have been the one blowing the whistle on the Bush Administration’s spending habits? Heck, would he have even done that if he was the junior senator from Utah? ·

    Mama Toad: I am not (yet?) a Santorum convert — in a way, I’d still rather vote “None of the above.” However, I wonder how Mitt Romney would have voted if he’d been in the Senate 

    On spending cuts? Heck, yeah. It’s been the central focus of every political campaign he’s run, and his central achievement as governor. It’s what he cares about most. There’s all sorts of lines to call him a squish on a bunch of issues, but this just isn’t one of them.

    Combine that with Santorum’s reputation, which contributed to the lack of fervor for him in 2006, of being a big spender, and I’d say there was a difference.

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    • February 16, 2012 at 1:40 am
  21. Profile photo of Chris Deleon Inactive
    James Of England: …the lack of fervor for him in 2006…

    Take your own advice and get some new talking points. Every time this is raised, all we have to do is look at the polls for Romney’s favorability during the same period. He didn’t suffer a loss because he quit first.

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    • February 16, 2012 at 1:44 am
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    Chris Deleon: Right now in Michigan, Gingrich is Romney’s best friend. He’ll continue to split the votes of the people not satisfied with Romney. You won’t hear a peep from Romney’s camp about Gingrich, I bet. · 2 hours ago

    The Romney campaign ads lately have been two anti-Obama ads, one about his growing up in Michigan, and one with Anne Romney talking about the importance of character. The latter’s a positive ad, aimed at boosting Mitt’s numbers, but if it has a negative effect, it would clearly be against Gingrich rather than Santorum. The post-Caucus ads from Restore Our Future are this ad, a somewhat better version contrasting Romney’s positive spending record with Santorum’s unfortunate one, and a Newt on Reagan spot.

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    • February 16, 2012 at 1:48 am
  23. Profile photo of Chris Deleon Inactive
    James Of England: On spending cuts? Heck, yeah. It’s been the central focus of every political campaign he’s run, and his central achievement as governor. It’s what he cares about most. There’s all sorts of lines to call him a squish on a bunch of issues, but this just isn’t one of them.

    He may be a good manager who knows how to cut the fat, but when he makes huge mistakes like RomneyCare, and won’t even admit it, he more than offsets any savings he may have achieved elsewhere. Not to mention the loss of freedom, which is priceless.

    And thanks for admitting he’s a squish on a bunch of other things, too.

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    • February 16, 2012 at 1:51 am
  24. Profile photo of James Of England Moderator
    Chris Deleon
    James Of England: On spending cuts? Heck, yeah. It’s been the central focus of every political campaign he’s run, and his central achievement as governor. It’s what he cares about most.

    He may be a good manager who knows how to cut the fat, but when he makes huge mistakes like RomneyCare, and won’t even admit it, he more than offsets any savings he may have achieved elsewhere. Not to mention the loss of freedom, which is priceless.

    And thanks for admitting he’s a squish on a bunch of other things, too. ·

    Massachusetts has a budget. We’ve run this experiment and have actual data. It turns out that it’s doing better than it was when Mitt took over. I get that the response to all Romney questions by opponents comes down to RomneycareRomneycareRomneycareRomneycareRomneycareRomneycareRomneycare but that’s not really responsive to the claim that he cut spending and reversed a tough deficit that is in surplus even today. Attack on freedom? Sure. Attack on the budget? No.

    I don’t think that many of the “squish” attacks have substance to them, but he did move on life issues, and he likes gays.

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    • February 16, 2012 at 1:59 am
  25. Profile photo of James Of England Moderator

    Incidentally, there are three anti-Romney ads from the Santorum campaign out at the moment, two anti-Santorum ads from Romney’s superpac, none from Romney’s campaign. The Romney campaign press releases are about endorsements and attacks on Obama. It’s a pretty mild “onslaught”.

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    • February 16, 2012 at 2:02 am
  26. Profile photo of Chris Deleon Inactive
    James Of England: Massachusetts has a budget. We’ve run this experiment and have actual data. It turns out that it’s doing better than it was when Mitt took over. I get that the response to all Romney questions by opponents comes down to RomneycareRomneycareRomneycare… but that’s not really responsive to the claim that he cut spending and reversed a tough deficit that is in surplus even today. Attack on freedom? Sure. Attack on the budget? No.

    First, RomneyCare is Romney’s biggest liability. Why shouldn’t it be raised?

    Second, I’ve heard that the only way RomneyCare is financially sound is due to federal help from Medicaid and so on. I haven’t dug into that much myself, but that should be addressed before you can claim RomneyCare is so wonderful for the budget.

    Third, if even you admit it’s an assault on freedom, why are we even having this discussion?

    The solution to the health care “problem” is HSAs and high-deductible insurance policies. Not only get the government out of my interactions with my doctor, get the insurance company out too– unless it’s a catastrophic expense. That’s what insurance is for.

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    • February 16, 2012 at 2:12 am
  27. Profile photo of Chris Deleon Inactive
    James Of England: Incidentally, there are three anti-Romney ads from the Santorum campaign out at the moment, two anti-Santorum ads from Romney’s superpac, none from Romney’s campaign. The Romney campaign press releases are about endorsements and attacks on Obama. It’s a pretty mild “onslaught”. · 10 minutes ago

    After all the flak he’s gotten for carpet-bombing in Florida, he’s now wary of the clear backlash he’s suffered from past ad campaigns. And he should be.

    And don’t tell me the PAC and the campaign don’t coordinate, regardless of the candidate.

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    • February 16, 2012 at 2:16 am
  28. Profile photo of DrewInWisconsin Member
    Frozen Chosen

    So, Katievs, how come Santorum can become more conservative since leaving office but Romney can’t?

    Er . . . because he hasn’t got it in him?

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    • February 16, 2012 at 2:32 am
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    DrewInWisconsin
    Frozen Chosen

    So, Katievs, how come Santorum can become more conservative since leaving office but Romney can’t?

    Er . . . because he hasn’t got it in him? · 1 minute ago

    On what do you base your statement, Drew? His rhetoric has certainly become more conservative in the past 5 years. Are you saying Romney is a liar? If so what evidence do you have to back that up?

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    • February 16, 2012 at 2:41 am
  30. Profile photo of katievs Member
    Frozen Chosen

    So, Katievs, how come Santorum can become more conservative since leaving office but Romney can’t? · 

    It’s not that he can’t be, it’s that he isn’t.

    Or rather, he may have become more conservative than he was, but he’s still not nearly as conservative as Santorum.

    Keep in mind, for all his earmarking and so forth, Santorum was known as a staunch conservative leader in the Senate. Romney was a moderate.

    Santorum’s signature accomplishment in office was highly successful welfare reform. Romney’s was government mandated healthcare.

    Santorum’s words and actions in this campaign indicate that he is focussing on liberty, on rolling back big intrusive government. He’s full throated in support of the Tea Party.

    The thrust and theme of Romney’s campaign is different. It’s about getting our fiscal house in order.

    I’m in favor of that, and I’ll vote for him if he wins the nomination, but I’ll worry that he doesn’t have what it takes to meet the challenges we’re facing.

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    • February 16, 2012 at 2:44 am
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