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Ricochet Podcast #99: Two Governors, One Professor

 

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It’s our last show of the year, so we decided to go all out: this week, Governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi, Governor Mitch Daniels of Indiana, and Hillsdale’s Paul Rahe (author of the now legendary Two Peas In A Pod post). We look at state of the race, discuss the possibility of a late entrant, chat about Governor Daniels’ new book Keeping the Republic: Saving America by Trusting Americans, and get some insight on Gov. Barbour’s plans after leaving office. Then, a great discussion on Hitchen’s legacy, the passing of Dear Leader, and finally, a brief visit from the Singing Professor and we unveil our plans for Ricochet Podcast #100. Merry Christmas, everyone!

Music from this week’s episode:

  • Winter Wonderland by Darlene Love

  • We Three Kings of Orient Are by Eugene Ormandy and the Philadelphia Orchestra 

Here’s the direct link to this week’s episode (but use our new audio player up top!), however the most festive way to hear the podcast is to subscribe!  You can visit our Feedburner page for a number of other subscription options. Or better yet, use Stitcher.

Thanks to EJHill for the photo. 

The Ricochet Podcast is proudly sponsored by Encounter Books and their Broadside series. This week’s featured title is Why Progressive Institutions Are Unsustainable by our own Richard Epstein. Available soon at EncounterBooks.com and Amazon.com.

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  1. Profile photo of The King Prawn Member

     I just can’t hear Gov. Barbour without thinking of Jerry Clower.

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    • December 21, 2011 at 2:45 am
  2. Profile photo of Chris Johnson Member

    Yeti:

    This post included a Direct Link (Thank You!).  I can use the player at the top, in theory, in the sense that I could have responded to your query, last night, about the same issue for the Dellingpole podcast.  Which is to say that, in both cases, the options were unavailable to me.  When I am sitting next to a computer and have a Direct Link, I can right click and Save Target As, into a podcast folder, then listen whenever, or load it onto an mp3 player to travel with.

    Those are not options I have with a Play Now button.

    This podcast is now safely saved for me to call up.  Would it be too much trouble to add a Direct Link to the Dellingpole podcast, so I can access it when I’m on the tractor, or on a long drive, as opposed to dealing with it when I am stapled to a desk and I have random children whooping about, preparing to barbeque a cat, or my beloved staring at me with the, “If only these children were your boys, I would have some choice words for you, right about now” look on her face.

    • #2
    • December 21, 2011 at 3:28 am
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    Anonymous

    CJ, because of the way our paywall works, we can’t put a direct link to premium podcasts when we post them on the Main Feed (The Ricochet Podcast is of course, free, that’s why we are able to provide a direct link for this podcast). As a member, if you click on the subscribe link in the post or on the title of the show in the sidebar on the right, you’ll find the direct link.

    • #3
    • December 21, 2011 at 3:40 am
  4. Profile photo of Aaron Miller Member

    I love that Governor Barbour responded, when asked for his thoughts on the current crop of candidates, “I think they can get elected.” Gee, that’s high praise… especially in light of his later comment: “They [Democrats] can’t run on the guy’s [Obama’s] record.”

    Expect some magic numbers in the coming months.

    I’m not far into the podcast yet, so perhaps the governors offer some reason for optimism about what these candidates will do in office. A generic non-Obama won’t help us much, if at all.

    • #4
    • December 21, 2011 at 4:19 am
  5. Profile photo of Astonishing Inactive

    Why is Daniels not running?

    Why is Barbour not running?

    Why is Rubio not running?

    Why is Jeb not running?

    Why is Ryan not running?

    Why is Christie not running?

    Don’t tell me they don’t have the ambition. And please don’t give me the “family” excuse.

    The only thing I can figure out is that they’ve all decided that the next five years will be so irretrievably confused and awful that whoever wins in 2012 won’t be able to improve things and will only end up as history’s scapegoat.

    With the Eurozone collapsinig, China stalling, the global economy slipping into deep recession, Iran getting the bomb (and getting Iraq in the bargain), maybe they think it would be better to wait until 2016 to run–after the country has “hit bottom?”

    And I wonder if Obama will also be seeking his second term in 2016, with a slogan something like, “Bring Hope Back Again, and Let Us Finish What We Started.”

    • #5
    • December 21, 2011 at 5:01 am
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    When you run on real ideas and things that can actually be put in place… the public gives you the mandate to do that, it’s pretty dang hard to stop you. —Gov. Barbour

    In other words, our Presidential candidate must be able to communicate his or her ideas to the public.

    As I said in an earlier Ricochet thread, the President is the only person in America to whom many people listen even when they don’t want to. People listen, however poorly, to arguments from a President. Our next President must act as the voice of the Republican Party and lead the argument for limited, local, fiscally sane government.

    Paul Ryan is making admirable progress with Republican voters, but swing voters and others who currently favor big government are not going to consider arguments from a Republican Congressman.

    • #6
    • December 21, 2011 at 5:49 am
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    PJS

    OMG!  What is the date in NH?

    • #7
    • December 21, 2011 at 5:53 am
  8. Profile photo of Peter Robinson Founder

    I know I’ve said this before, EJ, but it’s true–again.  Santa Rob and his helpers?  A work of genius.

    • #8
    • December 21, 2011 at 5:53 am
  9. Profile photo of Aaron Miller Member

    Agreed, Rob. Obama succeeded in passing his policies, though I agree with James that Pelosi and others did most of the work. However arrogant Obama’s comparison of himself with Lincoln, his Presidency certainly ranks up there with FDR’s as one of the most transformative in American history. If Obamacare stands and the trillions in new debt remains, then President Obama has fundamentally transformed the nation’s future.

    This is not legislation. This is a godawful mess.

    No, Paul, this is modern legislation, which is to say it’s the green light politicians need to cover their asses when the bureaucrats they empowered do whatever the hell they want. Modern legislation isn’t about doing specific things so much as empowering government do take on new and vaguely defined powers. Peter states it perfectly:

    It’s a godawful mess that favors the expansion of federal government dramatically.

    I hope you’re right, Paul, that “the state level is indicative of what’s going to happen at the federal level.” Excellent point about Senators.

    • #9
    • December 21, 2011 at 5:57 am
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    I don’t suppose the show in New Hampshire will include a particular NH local?

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    • December 21, 2011 at 6:00 am
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    PJS
    Aaron Miller: I don’t suppose the show in New Hampshire will include a particular NH local? · Dec 20 at 5:00pm

    I am wondering the same thing. I bet “The Powers That Be” ignore us, Aaron.

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    • December 21, 2011 at 6:02 am
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    Yeti, with the super feed now in action, can we add the podcast name in brief form to the beginning of each podcast episode name? In the super feed the only discriminator is the episode name and guests. I can’t tell law talk from young guns.

    They even both have Troy Senik, so you can imagine the confusion. I like them both, but when I’m looking for Lileks, I have to revert to the old feeds to know which podcast is which. Thanks!

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    • December 21, 2011 at 6:08 am
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    Anonymous
    PJS
    Aaron Miller: I don’t suppose the show in New Hampshire will include a particular NH local? · Dec 20 at 5:00pm

    I am wondering the same thing. I bet “The Powers That Be” ignore us, Aaron. · Dec 20 at 5:02pm

    All I can tell you is that what ever happens, it won’t be because we didn’t ask.

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    • December 21, 2011 at 6:09 am
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    Aaron Miller:

    This is not legislation. This is a godawful mess.

    No, Paul, this is modern legislation, which is to say it’s the green light politicians need to cover their asses when the bureaucrats they empowered do whatever the hell they want. Modern legislation isn’t about doing specific things so much as empowering government do take on new and vaguely defined powers. Peter states it perfectly:

    It’s a godawful mess that favors the expansion of federal government dramatically.

    Limited and enumerated powers. Why is that such a hard concept for our legislators?

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    • December 21, 2011 at 6:10 am
  15. Profile photo of Aaron Miller Member
    Blue Yeti

    PJS

    Aaron Miller: I don’t suppose the show in New Hampshire will include a particular NH local? 
    I am wondering the same thing. I bet “The Powers That Be” ignore us, Aaron. 
    All I can tell you is that what ever happens, it won’t be because we didn’t ask. 

    Hey, that “I bet they’ll ignore us” strategy works pretty well! I will have to remember that. 😉

    Thanks, Yeti.

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    • December 21, 2011 at 6:13 am
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    PJS
    Blue Yeti

    PJS

    Aaron Miller: I don’t suppose the show in New Hampshire will include a particular NH local? · Dec 20 at 5:00pm
    I am wondering the same thing. I bet “The Powers That Be” ignore us, Aaron. · Dec 20 at 5:02pm
    All I can tell you is that what ever happens, it won’t be because we didn’t ask. · Dec 20 at 5:09pm

    Thanks Yeti!  Know that you are loved and appreciated.  Do you get to come on the field trip?  Merry Christmas!

    • #16
    • December 21, 2011 at 6:14 am
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    Anonymous
    PJS

    Thanks Yeti!  Know that you are loved and appreciated.  Do you get to come on the field trip?  Merry Christmas! · Dec 20 at 5:14pm

    Yes, I will be there. Rob’s manservant doesn’t like cold weather and someone has to caddy his cigars and brandy. 

    • #17
    • December 21, 2011 at 6:18 am
  18. Profile photo of Gus Marvinson Inactive

    Dr. Rahe made a very interesting comment about MBA programs being initially developed by progressives. It’s one of those things that I think I knew, but only instinctively, so I didn’t realize I knew it until he said it (I hope that made sense and please don’t make me clarify). I’ve had little luck Googling the subject, though. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Professor Rahe?

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    • December 21, 2011 at 6:20 am
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    Aaron Miller: I love that Governor Barbour responded, when asked for his thoughts on the current crop of candidates, “I think they can get elected.”· Dec 20 at 3:19pm

    Edited on Dec 20 at 04:06 pm

    That quip reminds me of the following stiletto laced left handed statement:

    “I’ve known a lot of musicians in my time, and he was one of them.”

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    • December 21, 2011 at 6:21 am
  20. Profile photo of Pseudodionysius Member
    Gus Marvinson: Dr. Rahe made a very interesting comment about MBA programs being initially developed by progressives. It’s one of those things that I think I knew, but only instinctively, so I didn’t realize I knew it until he said it (I hope that made sense and please don’t make me clarify). I’ve had little luck Googling the subject, though. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Professor Rahe? · Dec 20 at 5:20pm

    I’ve encountered this statement before, and believe that he’s right, but can’t quite remember the source. The first MBA programs were also supposed to be finishing schools for engineers and those with technical undergraduate educations. I believe some of the first programs even had “how to booze and schmooze” classes, something that we Don Draper wannabes would have loved.

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    • December 21, 2011 at 6:23 am
  21. Profile photo of James Of England Moderator

    Prof Rahe suggests that Romney and Newt are uneducated on the basis, so far as I can tell, that he disagrees with Newt and that Romney has an MBA. Romney also has a JD (which includes a fair bit of philosophy) and a BA in English. Which previous President has had more education than either of these candidates?

    Only two Presidents have had postgraduate degrees that were not JDs; Wilson (Ph.D) and Bush (MBA). Two Presidents have attempted them and withdrawn: Carter had 2 weeks of Nuclear Physics, which I imagine is not the sort of philosophical first principles Prof. Rahe referred to (although it is first principles of a sort, particularly, I imagine, in the first two weeks of classes), and William Henry Harrison, who came closer to getting a medical degree.

    It is also possible that he was saying that Newt and Mitt have not spent much time thinking, reading, and studying these things since school, but I take it this is not the claim.

    Prof. Rahe explicitly excludes Bush’s MBA, so one can only conclude that he either has a very great respect for the philosophical teaching of medical schools or he pines for Woodrow.

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    • December 21, 2011 at 6:26 am
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    Blue Yeti

    PJS

    Aaron Miller: I don’t suppose the show in New Hampshire will include a particular NH local? · Dec 20 at 5:00pm
    I am wondering the same thing. I bet “The Powers That Be” ignore us, Aaron. · Dec 20 at 5:02pm
    All I can tell you is that what ever happens, it won’t be because we didn’t ask. · Dec 20 at 5:09pm

    I can hazard a guess that Mr. Steyn’s EIB stints with Rush Limbaugh result in significant wheelbarrows full of US greenbacks that are buried all over his back yard.

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    • December 21, 2011 at 6:27 am
  23. Profile photo of BThompson Inactive

    I don’t know guys, as far as I’m concerned this podcast mainly consisted of Ricochet podcast boilerplate.

    😉

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    • December 21, 2011 at 6:33 am
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    BThompson: I don’t know guys, as far as I’m concerned this podcast mainly consisted of Ricochet podcast boilerplate.

    😉 · Dec 20 at 5:33pm

    Poor Rob.

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    • December 21, 2011 at 6:35 am
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    Romney also has a JD (which includes a fair bit of philosophy) and a BA in English.

    If my memory serves correctly, Romney enrolled in the joint JD/MBA program at Harvard, which would have had a punishing enough workload to preclude any serious philosophical preparation. Without a solid grounding in first principles before enrolling in such a program its very doubtful you will achieve it while enrolled. Law schools have a very corrosive effect on those who don’t have some type of philosophical anchor and often have the effect of turning the unwitting pupil into a modern day Greek sophist (who will believe they can argue any side of a question without reference to the truth or falsity of the assertions).

    I’m sure our Ricochet legal team and various contributors can bat this mouse around in my absence.

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    • December 21, 2011 at 6:36 am
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    By the way, Yeti, is there a certain viral video reference I should be picking up from the title of this installment? Just curious.

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    • December 21, 2011 at 6:58 am
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    Aaron Miller: Obama’s  . . . Presidency certainly ranks up there with FDR’s as one of the most transformative in American history.

    Obama will be the cause of massive expansion of government the same as cherry blossoms will be the cause of Washington’s spring.

    In contemporary western democracies, there’s a  seeming inevitability to the welfare state’s deadly expansion, of which a slavish aging population becomes both the predominant cause and the major effect. Relying instead on medicare and social security, perennial juveniles need not produce their own offspring to care for them in old age.

    What fool supposes aging babyboomers will voluntarily accept medicare or social security reductions? As the greatest beneficiaries of government largesse–everything from medicare to social security, everything from subsidized state university education to home mortage interest deductions, everything from transportation and highway spending to national parks–the solid middle class is the welfare class. A near majority pays no federal income tax. What’s worse, a huge majority takes much much more out of the public kitty than it chips in. Questioned about the particular details, they say that’s how it should be. “Keep your hands off my medicare!”

    We’re doomed.

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    • December 21, 2011 at 7:09 am
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    James Of England:

    Only two Presidents have had postgraduate degrees that were not JDs; Wilson (Ph.D) and Bush (MBA). Two Presidents have attempted them and withdrawn: Carter had 2 weeks of Nuclear Physics, which I imagine is not the sort of philosophical first principles Prof. Rahe referred to (although it is first principles of a sort, particularly, I imagine, in the first two weeks of classes), and William Henry Harrison, who came closer to getting a medical degree.

    It is also possible that he was saying that Newt and Mitt have not spent much time thinking, reading, and studying these things since school, but I take it this is not the claim.

    Prof. Rahe explicitly excludes Bush’s MBA, so one can only conclude that he either has a very great respect for the philosophical teaching of medical schools or he pines for Woodrow. · Dec 20 at 5:26pm

    Nope, what is required is a first-rate liberal arts education with a bit of a focus on the American Founding and political philosophy.

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    • December 21, 2011 at 7:18 am
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    Blue Yeti

    PJS

    Thanks Yeti!  Know that you are loved and appreciated.  Do you get to come on the field trip?  Merry Christmas! · Dec 20 at 5:14pm

    Yes, I will be there. Rob’s manservant doesn’t like cold weather and someone has to caddy his cigars and brandy.  · Dec 20 at 5:18pm

    Edited on Dec 20 at 05:19 pm

    Ssssshhhhh don’t tell the manservant but it’s not even cold here this year …. yet ;))

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    • December 21, 2011 at 7:32 am
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    The King Prawn:  I just can’t hear Gov. Barbour without thinking of Jerry Clower. · Dec 20 at 1:45pm

    “Knock him outtttt, John!”

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    • December 21, 2011 at 8:02 am
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