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Ricochet Podcast #95: A Pre-Revolutionary Moment

 

We don’t have many Democrats on the podcast, so when we do, we try to make sure they’re memorable. So pull up your earbuds and get comfortable for a bracing conversation with Pat Caddell, who thinks not only Obama ought to forgo running so Hillary can step in and win, but that this idea might actually foment a revolutionary moment in American history. Note: Apologies for the lo-fi sound. It’s the first show recorded on a new laptop and it shows. 

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  1. Profile photo of The King Prawn Member

    Someone asked earlier in the week if there were any lefties we’d like to meet, and Pat Caddell is the one I’d like to get a cup of coffee with. He’s one of the very few democrats that seem like genuinely nice folks.

    • #1
    • November 26, 2011 at 2:41 am
  2. Profile photo of Antiphon Inactive

    Since the quote function doesn’t work on the iPad I would like to agree with you King Prawn; anyone (especially a democrat) who demands we think as Americans, not on party lines, is a breath of fresh air.

    • #2
    • November 26, 2011 at 4:29 am
  3. Profile photo of EJHill Member

    Caddell.jpg

    Pre-revolutionary Caddell

    • #3
    • November 26, 2011 at 4:48 am
  4. Profile photo of Fricosis Guy Coolidge

    Caddell reminds me of my dad, a JFK Democrat for whom country comes first.&nbsp;

    Also, thanks to Peter, Rob, and James for recording this edition.&nbsp; It kept me company while I&nbsp;worked off that turkey in the brush and leaf piles!

    The King Prawn: Someone asked earlier in the week if there were any lefties we’d like to meet, and Pat Caddell is the one I’d like to get a cup of coffee with. He’s one of the very few democrats that seem like genuinely nice folks. · Nov 25 at 1:41pm
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    • November 26, 2011 at 4:48 am
  5. Profile photo of Paul J. Croeber Member
    The King Prawn: Someone asked earlier in the week if there were any lefties we’d like to meet, and Pat Caddell is the one I’d like to get a cup of coffee with. He’s one of the very few democrats that seem like genuinely nice folks. · Nov 25 at 1:41pm

    Couldn’t agree more. Pat may not share my opinion on&nbsp;government’s role in one’s life, but I respect his decency and polite conviction.

    • #5
    • November 26, 2011 at 5:18 am
  6. Profile photo of George Savage Admin

    God Bless Pat Caddell. &nbsp;

    I hail from a predominantly blue-collar family with roots in Chicago and industrial New Jersey. &nbsp;Pat reminds me of my Democrat relatives: &nbsp;a patriot first, pro-free enterprise, pro-opportunity and, yes, favoring more liberal policies than me. &nbsp;But not interested in fundamentally transforming anything.

    I hope he succeeds in taking his party back from the Elitist-in-Chief.

    • #6
    • November 26, 2011 at 5:21 am
  7. Profile photo of Chris Johnson Member

    Just awfull.&nbsp; Yes the audio quality, but also the seriousness with which a HR Clinton candidacy was bantered about, (Lileks having been exceptional in his abandonment of the detachment from reality).

    Loving the idea of a primary challenge to Obama is not the same as&nbsp;considering the dire prospect of another staunch leftist occupying the White House.&nbsp; Cadell’s description of HR Clinton as a centrist liberal is floor-bouncing.&nbsp; This is not Obama, the mere dupe of leftists and follower of Alinsky, but the advocate for and employee of Alinsky.

    Just because she is a wiser radical leftist than the Current Occupant is no reason for us to accept that the people Rob describes as “moderate Republicans” would welcome her entry into the race.&nbsp; We have our evident disaster, in the White House, now.&nbsp; The potential that the White House might be shifted over to a more careful and cunning radical leftist should cause all Americans, Democrat, Republican, or independent, to rue the dawn.

    Anybody that describes themself as a moderate Republican, or a centrist independent, that would consider voting for HR Clinton has no political seriousness.

    • #7
    • November 26, 2011 at 5:27 am
  8. Profile photo of Peter Van Schoick Member

    You mis-spelled “awful.”

    • #8
    • November 26, 2011 at 5:35 am
  9. Profile photo of I. raptus Member

    Does anyone know which poll Mr. Caddell was referring to about 35 minutes in?

    • #9
    • November 26, 2011 at 7:35 am
  10. Profile photo of Vuvuzela Inactive
    It’s one thing to revel in the chaos that a recruit Hillary movement would cause on the Left; it’s quite another to imagine a President Hillary.Pat Cadell rattled off a list of Hillary’s supposed virtues and accomplishments, and they went completely unchallenged. I’ll grant that she is smarter than Barack Obama, but so is my left shoe. Her only real record is as Sec. of State, which is an unmitigated disaster.If Hillary were to somehow become the 2012 candidate, I don’t doubt for a minute that her chance of winning would be much better than Barack Obama’s. As for America, her presidency would seal our demise, just as surely as would Barack Obama’s. (Don’t believe me, read Mark Steyn’s “After America”!)Obama and Hillary are both radical Leftists, and anyone who doesn’t believe this is either sorely uninformed, or suffering a bad case of amnesia.I did, however, thoroughly enjoy Pat’s lashing of Barack Obama. I wish we had a Republican candidate who would display half his righteous indignation.
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    • November 26, 2011 at 7:54 am
  11. Profile photo of raycon and lindacon Member
    CJRun: Loving the idea of a primary challenge to Obama is not the same as&nbsp;considering the dire prospect of another staunch leftist occupying the White House.&nbsp; Cadell’s description of HR Clinton as a centrist liberal is floor-bouncing.&nbsp; This is not Obama, the mere dupe of leftists and follower of Alinsky, but the advocate for and employee of Alinsky.

    Anybody that describes themself as a moderate Republican, or a centrist independent, that would consider voting for HR Clinton has no political seriousness. · Nov 25 at 4:27pm

    My take is that HRC would provide the foil against O’s campaign plans.&nbsp; I doubt that any of the regulars, Rob, Peter or James were showing enthusiasm for HRC, but rather her potential to defeat O’s planned scorched earth campaign.&nbsp; A bit of fantasy thinking about HRC’s possible administration, but no enthusiasm for it.

    Let’s face it, Pat Cadell is using his influence where it can be felt… among the Democrat party.

    Of course, if the best the GOP can do is McRomney, then HRC could be a real backfire.&nbsp;

    God Help Us.

    • #11
    • November 26, 2011 at 8:42 am
  12. Profile photo of Yeah...ok. Member
    Vuvuzela: … Pat Cadell rattled off a list of Hillary’s supposed virtues and accomplishments, and they went completely unchallenged.

    ..

    Mark Steyn has been absent too long from these podcasts.

    Peter Robinson, you’re the most gracious of men, I respect your words. BUT you sounded a bit too joyous over the prospect of kicking the can down the road another 10 years.

    Rob, how do you know so much? Has there anywhere you have not visited? Yet I thought I heard you suggest we needed a revenue solution. So have we given up on cutting spending? Our best hope is to streamline the tax code in exchange for a tax increase? Enjoy your crabs.

    • #12
    • November 26, 2011 at 9:39 am
  13. Profile photo of Richard Young Member

    Does Pat Cadell ever stop talking? &nbsp;I understand he’s passionate about the misdirection of his party but let the others get a word in edge-wise. &nbsp;He’s the same way on Fox. By the way, the last thing we want is for the Democrats to put up a more electable candidate so please don’t encourage the idea.

    • #13
    • November 26, 2011 at 10:14 am
  14. Profile photo of Richard Young Member

    James Lileks seemed to sum up the podcast very well when he suggested that there was more enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton from Rob and Peter than there was for Romney. &nbsp;I’m pretty sure that isn’t really true but one could be excused for getting that impression. &nbsp;In previous podcasts the theme was that Romney couldn’t rise about 25% because what Republicans are looking for is bold change and a passionate spokesman for conservative ideals. &nbsp;So what is the solution? &nbsp;Hillary Clinton. &nbsp;I’m more confused than ever.

    • #14
    • November 26, 2011 at 10:37 am
  15. Profile photo of Glenn the Iconoclast Inactive
    raycon

    Of course, if the best the GOP can do is McRomney, then HRC could be a real backfire.&nbsp;

    God Help Us.

    The same thought occurred to me, or at least the question formed itself in my mind: how would the Republican nominee (presumably Romney) do against Hillary?&nbsp; It was not a reassuring question.

    OTOH, if it looked like Hillary was going to be the Democrat nominee, would that alter who Republicans chose as their standard bearer?

    • #16
    • November 26, 2011 at 12:34 pm
  16. Profile photo of Glenn the Iconoclast Inactive
    Peter Van Schoick: You mis-spelled “awful.”

    Ricochet needs emoticons and the strike-through tool.&nbsp; I’m uncertain if you meant this as japery, since you

    1. siezed on the trivial.

    2. misspelled (mispunctuated) “mis-spelled”.&nbsp; (And now I’m wondering if I’ve mis-punctuated “mispunctuated.”)

    Please clear this up immediately!&nbsp; 🙂

    (I’ve seen strike-through both with and without the hyphen.&nbsp; But its utility as a tool for the occasions when I need to edit a post seems, to me, to make it irreplaceable.)

    • #17
    • November 26, 2011 at 12:54 pm
  17. Profile photo of Basil Fawlty Member

    Since Rob thinks Baltimore is in Delmarva, then I understand why he thinks Hillary is a Republican.

    • #18
    • November 27, 2011 at 4:39 am
  18. Profile photo of DrewInWisconsin Member

    That was awesome. I feel like affixing a loudspeaker to the top of my 1994 Chevy, driving down to Madison, and going up and down State Street playing Pat Caddell’s takedown of Obama, just to watch the spit fly.

    • #19
    • November 27, 2011 at 5:00 am
  19. Profile photo of Jim Newsom Member

    Well, let’s take stock. &nbsp;You can’t get Mitch Daniels or Haley Walker or Paul Ryan to run — SOOO Hillary will run&nbsp;against&nbsp;the establishment?&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;Have you alerted Bill Kristol to this plan? I’m sure that he and David Brooks will be all too happy to jump on board.

    Honestly!? &nbsp;Why don’t we just all get behind a constitutional amendment setting a floor for government expenditures at 35% of GDP while we’re at it?

    • #20
    • November 27, 2011 at 5:10 am
  20. Profile photo of Tom Wilson Member

    Rob and Peter, your political judgment is that the only downside of a Hillary Clinton presidency over a Mitt Romney presidency is Hillary would&nbsp;nominate more liberal judges. That’s just plain nuts. Would Hillary undo “Obama Care”? No way! Is that a big deal? It is to me. On issue after issue Romney is well to the right of Hillary. Hillary has always been to the left of her husband. Even before Romney’s evolving to more conservative positions he was well to the right of Clinton. For some reason Peter you seem unwilling to forgive Romney for not running for election in&nbsp;Massachusetts as a Reagan Republican. It’s seems you find skeaming&nbsp;calculation&nbsp;as the motive of every change in Romney’s policy positions.

    • #21
    • November 27, 2011 at 5:29 am
  21. Profile photo of vjpc2517 Inactive

    Clinton/Lieberman 2012, I’m having the bumper sticker made as this goes out. That is how much I hate having Romney forced down my throat.

    A great podcast, extra blood pressure meds required tonight!

    • #22
    • November 27, 2011 at 6:08 am
  22. Profile photo of concerned citizen Inactive
    Tom Wilson:Would Hillary undo “Obama Care”? No way! Is that a big deal? It is to me.&nbsp;

    This is exactly what I thought too as I listened. &nbsp;I was surprised no one brought that up in the podcast.

    Tom Wilson: For some reason Peter you seem unwilling to forgive Romney for not running for election in&nbsp;Massachusetts as a Reagan Republican.

    Yes, Romney’s unpardonable sin was running for office in Massachusetts. &nbsp;Anybody with a brain would know that a Republican with presidential ambitions needs to move to a state such as Texas, Utah, or Georgia, and then run for Senate and governor. &nbsp;(But, then, if Romney had done that, wouldn’t Peter and others read scheming calculation into that also?) &nbsp;

    • #23
    • November 27, 2011 at 6:18 am
  23. Profile photo of Rob Long Founder

    Well, of course I’d prefer a Republican president — even a moderate one. &nbsp;Remember, I’m the squish. &nbsp;

    But I’d also like to see the Democratic party return to its more moderate roots. &nbsp;Just because, as an observer of American politics, I realize that they occasionally win elections.

    And I’m not persuaded that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are equally radical or left wing. &nbsp;If we had President Hillary Clinton right now, the country would be better off. Not that I want President Hillary Clinton, but as I said above, Democrats do occasionally win elections. &nbsp;Might as well face that fact.

    Look, I like Romney. &nbsp;If he’s the nominee, I’ll vote for him enthusiastically. &nbsp;And I know he’ll undo Obamacare, because that’s the politically expedient thing to do. &nbsp;(You can’t really make the case that he’s preternaturally against it; that ship has sailed.) &nbsp;But I think Hillary Clinton is politically expedient, too. &nbsp;I don’t expect radical change from either of them, though I’d prefer serious big changes along conservative flat-tax-ish lines, but I don’t think Mitt has the stomach for it. &nbsp;I wish he did.

    • #24
    • November 27, 2011 at 7:08 am
  24. Profile photo of Freesmith Member

    The most salient point of Caddell’s jeremiad is the truth and the head-nodding attractiveness of his attack on the rigged system the regime has set up in Washington.

    Rob Long in a previous podcast and in a recent National Review essay (“The Billionaire’s Passport”) made the same point. “There’s something wrong with this country,” his billionaire friend says, remarking on how today incredible things are fixed in America for those who know the right people.

    What Peter Robinson, Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Mitch Daniels&nbsp;and others&nbsp;do not grasp is how pervasive and how furious that conviction is – and that it is growing, not lessening.

    Friends, there is no other explanation for the temporary success of&nbsp;a caricature like Donald Trump, or for the initial anti-Bernanke, anti-Washington&nbsp;appeal of Rick Perry.

    When will a Republican have the balls to&nbsp;announce an economic program&nbsp;centered on the one, inescapable, indisputable&nbsp;problem of present-day America? What’s that, you ask? The same one I’ve been saying for months:

    “The Recession will end in the USA on the day it begins in the Beltway.”&nbsp;&nbsp;

    If you listen I think you know Mr. Caddell would agree.

    • #25
    • November 27, 2011 at 7:25 am
  25. Profile photo of Valiuth Member

    Oh come off it all you Pat Caddell haters. He, I think represents a vanishing wing of the Democrat party. The wing that once came from and understood the regular guy. The wing made up of blue collar, religious, and patriotic Americans. These are the democrats that we could get along with and cut deals with. They were the non-idealogues who just want to make sure they can get a good job, some health care, and have and have a comfortable pension. These are all things that can be bartered and settled upon.

    What we have now running us are a bunch of political mandarins who only look out for their own jobs, and the interest of those who help their campaigns, and are guided by some post American&nbsp;deconstructionist&nbsp;enxastentionalism they read a pamphlet about in collage. &nbsp;

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    • November 27, 2011 at 7:40 am
  26. Profile photo of Tom Wilson Member
    Rob Long:&nbsp;. &nbsp;I don’t expect radical change from either of them, though I’d prefer serious big changes along conservative flat-tax-ish lines… · Nov 26 at 6:08pm

    I think the chance Hillary Clinton will run is&nbsp;exceptionally&nbsp;small. I just objected to equating her on a political values scale with Romney. Romney says he want’s a flatter income tax. Can you even imagine Hillary saying such a thing.&nbsp;

    I would like to see a more moderate Democrat party as well. Unlike you I see little sign of that happening. I like Patrick Caddell, he’s&nbsp;courageous and bright, ditto Joe&nbsp;Lieberman, and &nbsp;Doug Schoen. Do you think they are widely esteemed in Democrat circles?&nbsp;Remember how much grief Lieberman had from “his party” when he ran the last time. There was true hatred for the man.&nbsp;

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    • November 27, 2011 at 9:00 am
  27. Profile photo of Larry Koler Member
    Rob Long: Well, of course I’d prefer a Republican president — even a moderate one. &nbsp;Remember, I’m the squish. &nbsp;

    But I’d also like to see the Democratic party return to its more moderate roots. &nbsp;Just because, as an observer of American politics, I realize that they occasionally win elections.

    And I’m not persuaded that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are equally radical or left wing. &nbsp;If we had President Hillary Clinton right now, the country would be better off. Not that I want President Hillary Clinton, but as I said above, Democrats do occasionally win elections. &nbsp;Might as well face that fact.

    Look, I like Romney. &nbsp;If he’s the nominee, I’ll vote for him enthusiastically. &nbsp;And I know he’ll undo Obamacare, because that’s the politically expedient thing to do. &nbsp;

    I think people above are reading too much into this. Of course you and Peter would vote for Romney — when I listened to the discussion it was 1 part admiration of Caddell, 1 part euphoria of any idea that would smack Obama up alongside his head.

    I loved that Lileks played the reality check but that’s just a funny shtick of his.

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    • November 27, 2011 at 9:41 am
  28. Profile photo of Larry Koler Member

    Rob and Peter should not have to defend themselves in this way. It was all in good fun and you could tell how good they felt about having Caddell go after what are so clearly the major un-American aspects of Obama.&nbsp;

    There was a visceral reaction coming from Caddell and it got ugly. Who wouldn’t whoop in joy at this explosion of real venom against the Left and Obama’s place deep into it. He’s a Manchurian Candidate right in the middle of the Democratic Party and they need to take stock and try and get their party back. It might be too late. Caddell and a few others might just have to join the GOP.

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    • November 27, 2011 at 9:45 am
  29. Profile photo of raycon and lindacon Member

    Larry… Give Pat a break.&nbsp; Little doubt that he is an orphan from the Dem’s, but do not consign him to Dante’s GOP alternative.&nbsp; There will be an alternative to the GOP pablum by 2016.

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    • November 27, 2011 at 10:11 am
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