Question of the Day: Mi DACA Es Su DACA

 

Introducing the Ricochet Question of the Day. In this feature, we’ll pose a question about the news, then at the end of the day, we’ll post the best comments. Join the conversation!

Last week, President Trump ordered an end to the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, better known as DACA, and gave Congress six months to pass a replacement. The Question of the Day: Will Congress pass DACA as it was under Obama, pass some form of DACA-lite, or pass nothing at all?

There are 42 comments.

  1. 1
  2. 2
  1. Member

    Hnmmmmm…….

    Republicans (chamber of commerce) want cheep labor.

    Dem’s want cheep votes.

    It’s for the children.

    Not a tough one. Just wondering if they will make me clean out the spare bedroom for two of them.

    • #1
    • September 12, 2017 at 5:44 am
    • 9 likes
  2. Coolidge

    Never underestimate the Republicans’ ability to not pass something.

    • #2
    • September 12, 2017 at 5:51 am
    • 8 likes
  3. Member

    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):
    Hnmmmmm…….

    Republicans (chamber of commerce) want cheep labor.

    Dem’s want cheep votes.

    It’s for the children.

    Not a tough one. Just wondering if they will make me clean out the spare bedroom for two of them.

    Don’t laugh. Germans are being forced out of their homes for “refuges”….

    • #3
    • September 12, 2017 at 6:02 am
    • 5 likes
  4. Member

    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):
    Never underestimate the Republicans’ ability to not pass something.

    Or pass the wrong thing.

    • #4
    • September 12, 2017 at 6:02 am
    • 5 likes
  5. Thatcher

    Nothing at all but it’s a step in the right direction

    • #5
    • September 12, 2017 at 6:05 am
    • Like
  6. Inactive

    The following three scenarios are each just as likely to occur as any others:

    1 – Total gridlock. Democrats call Republicans racists for not passing exactly what the Democrats want. Headlines read: Republican Party in Disarray as Trump’s Deal with Pelosi Goes Down the Drain.

    2 – Some form similar to Obama’s formula is passed. Immigration hawks within the Republican party go nuts and blame it all on Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio. Democrats claim credit.

    3 – The zombies finally come, and me without enough ammo! (PS, this is not a veiled comparison of Mexican immigrants to zombies, I just like to refer to zombies because it is easier than coming up with a rational thought.)

    4 – Bring me a taco!

    • #6
    • September 12, 2017 at 6:32 am
    • 1 like
  7. Member

    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):
    Hnmmmmm…….

    Republicans (chamber of commerce) want cheep labor.

    Dem’s want cheep votes.

    It’s for the children.

    Not a tough one. Just wondering if they will make me clean out the spare bedroom for two of them.

    I think Kevin has it perfectly.

    • #7
    • September 12, 2017 at 7:14 am
    • 1 like
  8. Inactive
    BD1

    Any Republican who signs off on another open borders sellout should be held accountable. From Donald Trump, to Paul Ryan, to the Gang of Eight members.

    • #8
    • September 12, 2017 at 7:19 am
    • 5 likes
  9. Member

    Ricochet Editors' Desk: Will Congress pass DACA as it was under Obama, pass some form of DACA-lite, or pass nothing at all?

    Betting on what Congress will do is not a sober man’s game. Unfortunately, I don’t drink alcohol, so what 536 politicians in Washington may do is quite beyond this science fiction writer’s level of creativity. Perhaps a satirist could get closer to an accurate prediction.

    • #9
    • September 12, 2017 at 7:19 am
    • 1 like
  10. Member

    Best guess on how this plays out:

    Republican squishes want to pass something like DACA. Trump wants to be seen as “having a heart,” but also wants a wall. Republicans will try to trade DACA or something like DACA for border wall funding.

    Dems have no incentive to cooperate, and Republicans are incompetent. The deal will fail.

    Trump, at the end of the six-month window, won’t have the “heart” to end the program. He’ll keep it going for another “temporary” window of time, which will eventually extend through the 2018 election.

    Republicans lose the House in 2018 midterms. The lame-duck Congress will pass DACA with squishy R support in the Senate and soon-to-be-unemployed R support in the House. Trump will sign it.

    If R’s hold the House in 2018, they’ll get a second shot at some kind of DACA-for-wall deal in 2019.

    Edit: Trump would sign the lame-duck DACA because it’ll be attached to some debt ceiling or government funding “must-pass” measure.

    • #10
    • September 12, 2017 at 7:20 am
    • 5 likes
  11. Member

    Republicans in the House pass mini DACA and the Senate passes big DACA. Everything falls apart in committee. Then Sean Hannity demands Trump take executive action Trump crafts an executive order to reinstate DACA. Ann Coulter starts a guerrilla group up in the Hills. Trumpers praise the move as a master move in 8 dimensional chess.

    • #11
    • September 12, 2017 at 7:22 am
    • 5 likes
  12. Member

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Ann Coulter starts a guerrilla group up in the Hills.

    That sounds fun.

    • #12
    • September 12, 2017 at 7:32 am
    • 1 like
  13. Member

    Congress will pass the worst possible thing.

    It will not satisfy the dreamers’ advocates, insofar as it will not immediately transform the US into a borderless social-democratic welfare state.

    It will not satisfy the Chamber of Commerce cheap labour types, insofar as it will not legalize indentured servitude.

    It will not satisfy the libertarian open-borders types, insofar as it will not immediately abolish the Federal government.

    It will not satisfy the economically or politically oppressed of Latin America, because the siren call of a life in the shadows in the US will continue to distort their economies and communities.

    It will not satisfy the economic nationalists, because if there’s one thing everyone in Washington can agree on, it’s that the democratically expressed will of the ordinary people must be ruthlessly crushed.

    It will satisfy the Democrats, because they’ll be able to keep their ethnic constituents on their urban plantations, make common cause with the GOPe wets, and preen in their white, coastal, upper-middle class smugness.

    • #13
    • September 12, 2017 at 7:38 am
    • 10 likes
  14. Member

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Ann Coulter starts a guerrilla group up in the Hills.

    That sounds fun.

    In Trump we Trust baby!

    • #14
    • September 12, 2017 at 7:39 am
    • 1 like
  15. Member

    genferei (View Comment):
    GOPe wets,

    Like Trump?

    • #15
    • September 12, 2017 at 7:41 am
    • Like
  16. Inactive
    BD1

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Ann Coulter starts a guerrilla group up in the Hills.

    That sounds fun.

    In Trump we Trust baby!

    He’s no Marco Rubio.

    • #16
    • September 12, 2017 at 7:42 am
    • 1 like
  17. Member

    BD1 (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Ann Coulter starts a guerrilla group up in the Hills.

    That sounds fun.

    In Trump we Trust baby!

    He’s no Marco Rubio.

    He certainly doesn’t talk the Rubio talk. But walk the Rubio walk, have a heart and play let’s make a deal? We’re going to find out.

    • #17
    • September 12, 2017 at 7:49 am
    • 1 like
  18. Inactive
    BD1

    – Donald Trump plots immigration sellout with Chuck Schumer.

    Establicons: “We told you! We told you! He’s not conservative!”

    – Marco Rubio plots immigration sellout with Chuck Schumer.

    Establicons: “Marco Rubio for president!”

    • #18
    • September 12, 2017 at 7:53 am
    • 8 likes
  19. Member

    BD1 (View Comment):
    – Donald Trump plots immigration sellout with Chuck Schumer.

    Establicons: “We told you! We told you! He’s not conservative!”

    – Marco Rubio plots immigration sellout with Chuck Schumer.

    Establicons: “Marco Rubio for president!”

    Yes but these are consistent positions. The Establicons want an immigration deal, and they like to point out that Trump sold his supporters a bill of goods. They basically get everything out of this in one go. They get a policy they generally like and can rake Trump over the coals too. So it makes it all extra fun. All thanks to Trump’s master negotiating skills.

    • #19
    • September 12, 2017 at 8:02 am
    • 2 likes
  20. Member

    Lazy_Millennial (View Comment):
    Best guess on how this plays out:

    Republican squishes want to pass something like DACA. Trump wants to be seen as “having a heart,” but also wants a wall. Republicans will try to trade DACA or something like DACA for border wall funding.

    Dems have no incentive to cooperate, and Republicans are incompetent. The deal will fail.

    Trump, at the end of the six-month window, won’t have the “heart” to end the program. He’ll keep it going for another “temporary” window of time, which will eventually extend through the 2018 election.

    Republicans lose the House in 2018 midterms. The lame-duck Congress will pass DACA with squishy R support in the Senate and soon-to-be-unemployed R support in the House. Trump will sign it.

    If R’s hold the House in 2018, they’ll get a second shot at some kind of DACA-for-wall deal in 2019.

    Edit: Trump would sign the lame-duck DACA because it’ll be attached to some debt ceiling or government funding “must-pass” measure.

    That’s depressingly plausible.

    • #20
    • September 12, 2017 at 8:32 am
    • 1 like
  21. Coolidge

    I think we will get DACA-light. (I personally support full DACA but agree with Trump’s action in passing the buck back to Congress where it belongs — one of the very few things Trump has done that I fully support.)

    But my Mom, who is probably more realistic, predicts that Congress, unwilling to act but also unwilling to do nothing, will first extend DACA by another six months at the very last minute; then, when the six months is up, extend it for a year. And then when that year is up, extend it for another year or two. You get the picture. My Mom is probably right.

    • #21
    • September 12, 2017 at 8:34 am
    • 5 likes
  22. Member

    BD1 (View Comment):
    – Donald Trump plots immigration sellout with Chuck Schumer.

    Establicons: “We told you! We told you! He’s not conservative!”

    – Marco Rubio plots immigration sellout with Chuck Schumer.

    Establicons: “Marco Rubio for president!”

    Who wants to bet Kevin Williamson will say both things in the same article.

    • #22
    • September 12, 2017 at 8:34 am
    • 5 likes
  23. Member

    Senate will fumble their way to a bad bill even more tolerant of illegals that the original illegal Obama DACA order. House will not accept it. Stalemate. Trump will magnanimously allow DACA to stand in 6 months. Wall will not be funded. Illegal crossing volume will rise again. On the immigration issue, the 2016 election will have never happened…

    • #23
    • September 12, 2017 at 8:45 am
    • 2 likes
  24. Member

    Republican/Conservative: Lose-lose
    Democrat/Progressive: Win-win

    Thank you so much, Mr. Trump!

    • #24
    • September 12, 2017 at 9:00 am
    • Like
  25. Inactive

    James Golden (View Comment):
    I think we will get DACA-light. (I personally support full DACA but agree with Trump’s action in passing the buck back to Congress where it belongs — one of the very few things Trump has done that I fully support.)

    But my Mom, who is probably more realistic, predicts that Congress, unwilling to act but also unwilling to do nothing, will first extend DACA by another six months at the very last minute; then, when the six months is up, extend it for a year. And then when that year is up, extend it for another year or two. You get the picture. My Mom is probably right.

    This is probably the most likely scenario.

    • #25
    • September 12, 2017 at 9:25 am
    • 1 like
  26. Member

    Spin (View Comment):

    James Golden (View Comment):
    I think we will get DACA-light. (I personally support full DACA but agree with Trump’s action in passing the buck back to Congress where it belongs — one of the very few things Trump has done that I fully support.)

    But my Mom, who is probably more realistic, predicts that Congress, unwilling to act but also unwilling to do nothing, will first extend DACA by another six months at the very last minute; then, when the six months is up, extend it for a year. And then when that year is up, extend it for another year or two. You get the picture. My Mom is probably right.

    This is probably the most likely scenario.

    You forget there is an election in there. Republican House members will be wiped out if this is what they do. And the Republicans (i.e., stupids) will probably manage to lose the Senate as well despite having the kind of map they have.

    • #26
    • September 12, 2017 at 9:45 am
    • 3 likes
  27. Member

    My choice is to do nothing and let the ICE age begin.

    • #27
    • September 12, 2017 at 9:47 am
    • 4 likes
  28. Coolidge

    I think DACA is another example of how “Compassion” leads to bad public policy, and bad law.

    For example, DACA was Obama’s expression of “Compassion” to the “Children” (ie persons under 30!) who are illegal immigrants. However this act is penalizing to the legal immigrants, who have taken years, spent thousands of dollars (I presume) on lawyers and filed acres of paper work to become an immigrants to the United States.

    To conflate this issue with the recent 9/11 remembrances, I recall that congressmen and senators, all being outraged in 2002, when it was discovered the hijackers had overstayed visas, and had a speeding ticket. They wanted to know why these guys where not detained and deported? For a speeding ticket. Now many of these same people want to protect drunk drivers, thieves and drug dealers from deportation… Its just another example of democrat (mostly) psychological/philosophical whiplash on a issue. I bet they’ll deny ever wanting an overstayed visa holder to be deported for a speeding ticket. (Too bad nobody in the media is fair or objective enough to ask – or if they are, they’ll never get the interview to ask)

    Another example of “Compassion” leading to bad policy, is housing. There are plenty of policies (from local, state as well as federal) to support the price of real estate. Which is good for middle class home owners, living in a property bubble. This however injures the lower class, and those forming a new household, as they can’t afford a home. The ownership of a home, traditionally has been the way most people have built family wealth. This excludes less affluent people from this avenue of wealth generation, and slows the upward mobility of the working classes.

    A third example of “Compassion” is the minimum wage debate. There is no special nobility in poverty, raising the mandatory wages for the poor will cause more unemployment, more part time and split shift work, and will actually reduce the income (on average) of the working poor. (while driving many small business out of business) The media should do interviews with the man in the street – what should the minimum wage be? and would you pay someone that wage to mow your lawn? or Hang Christmas lights? or wash your car?

    The compassion of public policy is a two edged sword, which often injures just as many as helps. The problem is that those who are injured dont fully realize it or dont have the political influence to change it.

    • #28
    • September 12, 2017 at 9:56 am
    • 6 likes
  29. Member

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    BD1 (View Comment):
    – Donald Trump plots immigration sellout with Chuck Schumer.

    Establicons: “We told you! We told you! He’s not conservative!”

    – Marco Rubio plots immigration sellout with Chuck Schumer.

    Establicons: “Marco Rubio for president!”

    Yes but these are consistent positions. The Establicons want an immigration deal, and they like to point out that Trump sold his supporters a bill of goods. They basically get everything out of this in one go. They get a policy they generally like and can rake Trump over the coals too. So it makes it all extra fun. All thanks to Trump’s master negotiating skills.

    And that sums up why I hate Establicons even more than I hate Pelosi and Schumer.

    • #29
    • September 12, 2017 at 9:57 am
    • 2 likes
  30. Member

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    BD1 (View Comment):
    – Donald Trump plots immigration sellout with Chuck Schumer.

    Establicons: “We told you! We told you! He’s not conservative!”

    – Marco Rubio plots immigration sellout with Chuck Schumer.

    Establicons: “Marco Rubio for president!”

    Yes but these are consistent positions. The Establicons want an immigration deal, and they like to point out that Trump sold his supporters a bill of goods. They basically get everything out of this in one go. They get a policy they generally like and can rake Trump over the coals too. So it makes it all extra fun. All thanks to Trump’s master negotiating skills.

    And that sums up why I hate Establicons even more than I hate Pelosi and Schumer.

    So what you are saying is that you hate your own side more than the Moral Enemy that will ruin the country and bring about 1000 years of Darkness! You sir need to report to the battle, and stop giving Democrats talking points. It is a binary choice it is wither support Mitch McConnell or Chuck Schumer, and if you support Schumer you just wanted Hillary to win.

    • #30
    • September 12, 2017 at 10:08 am
    • 2 likes
  1. 1
  2. 2