New Hampshire, Next Summer

 

Stay with me here:

Data Point #1: Barack Obama’s free-fall in the polls. Data Point #2: Hillary Clinton’s rising popularity.

The next steps:

December, 2010: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton resigns. Says she’s “accomplished what she set out to do” and has “restored America’s position and standing in the world.” Will devote time to writing a “major book about America’s challenges, and opportunities, in a complex, multi-polar world.”

June 2011 – August 2011: The Clintons, inexplicably and very publicly, summer on Squam Lake, in New Hampshire. Lots of Hillary sightings in and around the area, criss-crossing the state. Bill and Hillary at the farmer’s market. At a county fair. You get the idea. ‘What’s she doing in New Hampshire?’ the media wonders.

Labor Day 2011: Delivering the Goods: What I Learned at the State Department, What I Learned from Main Street hits the bookstores. It’s a big bestseller. And very critical of the Obama administration.

September 2011: Terry McCauliffe block-books a couple of floors in the Hampton Suites in Iowa City, IA, and the Manchester Marriott in Manchester, NH.

October 1st, 2011: It’s on. Official. Announcement on Jay Leno during her book tour.

January 16th, 2012: Iowa Caucuses. She wins?

January 24th, 2012: New Hampshire primary. She wins?

You didn’t think she was really going to give up, did you?

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  1. Profile photo of Cynthia Beaudin Inactive

    I hope she runs. So she can lose again! Maybe then we’ll finally be rid of her and her husband, as far as running things in this country goes.

    • #1
    • June 17, 2010 at 1:16 am
  2. Profile photo of cdor Member

    Here’s one for Conor:

    HILLARY/SARAH 2012

    “The Granny and Mommy Grizzlies”

    • #2
    • June 17, 2010 at 5:02 am
  3. Profile photo of Scott R Member
    cdor: Here’s one for Conor:

    HILLARY/SARAH 2012

    “The Granny and Mommy Grizzlies” · Jun 17 at 5:02am

    That’s about as likely as CDOR/FRIEDERSDORF 2012. You guys look so similar in your photos–the fedora, the tilt of the head–I’m surprised you don’t have more in common politically.

    • #3
    • June 17, 2010 at 5:24 am
  4. Profile photo of James Poulos Contributor

    Back during the primaries, I wound up endorsing Mitt for the GOP nomination and giving BHO the nod for the Dems. As little impact as that had on the world, and as great an impact as Obama has had on America, I still find it hard to regret. Hillary would probably be a better President in some important ways. But would America be a better country? Could we really stand another four years (let me speak of no higher number) of a Clinton — of, worse, Clintonistas? Of Gov. Macker? Of an even more powerful and insulated Rahm? Still I remember how poor a chord was struck by the frantic and atavistic feminist enthusiasm for Hillary!, a shrill contrast to the sunny, futuristic vibe struck by the prospect of America’s first black (and mixed-race!) President. Obama didn’t have to play things the way he’s played them; I can imagine a much less disappointing Obama presidency. I still find it hard to imagine more than one kind of Hillary presidency.

    A final note:

    cdor: […] HILLARY/SARAH 2012 “The Granny and Mommy Grizzlies”

    There seems no doubt that Clinton begat Palin. Cougars vs. Grizzlys in 2012?

    • #4
    • June 17, 2010 at 6:14 am
  5. Profile photo of Duane Oyen Member

    “None of the above” T-shirts go on sale at Cafe Press….

    • #5
    • June 17, 2010 at 6:26 am
  6. Profile photo of Cindy Member
    James Poulos: vibe struck by the prospect of America’s first black (and mixed-race!) President. I can imagine a much less disappointing Obama presidency.

    Really? I am and was very anti Hillary (ever since her baking cookies remark) and thought BHO was the better choice for multiple reasons. But don’t you think her foreign policy would have been stronger? Do you think she would have tugged the country so far left? Spent so much money? I don’t know…..

    • #6
    • June 17, 2010 at 6:38 am
  7. Profile photo of James Poulos Contributor
    James Poulos: vibe struck by the prospect of America’s first black (and mixed-race!) President. I can imagine a much less disappointing Obama presidency.
    Cindy: Really? I am and was very anti Hillary (ever since her baking cookies remark) and thought BHO was the better choice for multiple reasons. But don’t you think her foreign policy would have been stronger? Do you think she would have tugged the country so far left? Spent so much money? I don’t know…..

    It’s speculative, of course, but here’s what I think. Hillary (like Biden!) would have been marginally tougher on Iran, marginally tougher on Russia during the Georgia war, and a better friend to France and India. And she’d bow less. Those are real if modest differences. On the other hand, I am fairly certain Hillary would have done a far better job at getting a more liberal health care bill through Congress. I doubt there would have been less spending. And, if you can conceive of such a thing, there would be even more corporatism and cronyism afoot — a vast, crooked-wing conspiracy. Last of all, there would be MORE BILL.

    • #7
    • June 17, 2010 at 7:05 am
  8. Profile photo of Fredösphere Member

    In 2008, wasn’t the standard narrative that Obama was inspiring, and Hilary was the creepy-yet-competent candidate? And hasn’t that narrative been refuted by the way she ran her campaign (winning the Texas primary, but getting fewer delegates, for example) and has run the State Dept. (reset button, unplayable DVDs, et al.)?

    Or are most people not paying attention, and still think of her as the mastermind? Not people here at Ricochet, mind you; I’m talking about the general public, and Democrat primary voters. I definitely see her giving it a try, but, does she have a ghost of a chance? Isn’t Bayh a far more plausible alternative to Obama?

    Plus, wouldn’t an inter-party challenge to Obama open all kinds of racial wounds and bleed the party dry? Can any Democrat run against him and not be hated?

    • #8
    • June 17, 2010 at 7:15 am
  9. Profile photo of cdor Member
    Scott Reusser
    cdor: Here’s one for Conor:

    HILLARY/SARAH 2012

    “The Granny and Mommy Grizzlies” · Jun 17 at 5:02am

    That’s about as likely as CDOR/FRIEDERSDORF 2012. You guys look so similar in your photos–the fedora, the tilt of the head–I’m surprised you don’t have more in common politically. · Jun 17 at 5:24am

    A non partial assessment could be that he is my evil twin separated at birth. His birth occurring, just guessing, about 20 years after mine. But I would be proud to have Conor serve under my wing as VEEP.

    • #9
    • June 17, 2010 at 7:43 am
  10. Profile photo of Charles Allen Member

    Is this your pilot for a new show? I know I would watch with a plot like that!

    • #10
    • June 17, 2010 at 8:58 am
  11. Profile photo of George Savage Admin

    Rob, you’ve just done something amazing: you’ve made me long (no pun intended) for a Clinton Restoration. 

    • #11
    • June 17, 2010 at 9:11 am
  12. Profile photo of Adam Freedman Contributor

    James: Last of all, there would be MORE BILL. True, but as an entertainment proposition, isn’t it worth the price of admission?

    On the substance, we all seem to agree that Obama and Clinton both point us to a future of appeasment abroad and socialism at home. At least Bill would bring comic relief and would almost certainly do *something* every couple months that would temporarily derail Hillary’s agenda.

    • #12
    • June 17, 2010 at 9:12 am
  13. Profile photo of HerrForce1 Member

    I chuckle and shake my head as Mr. Long’s scenario seems to be too much. But then again, I can see Hillary at 65–really sensing her last chance–attempting to seize the spotlight for herself. You can see Panetta, Podesta, and Begala fanning out to and spinning on the cable shows. I want to know who’s going to play Lanny Davis in your TV series–maybe the Energizer Bunny. All this is fun to consider, but you’ve forgotten the wildcard: Tipper’s tell-all book about the ’92 campaign and confirmation of all we sense about Hillary’s charm and warmth. Thanks for the little break from reality.

    • #13
    • June 17, 2010 at 9:12 am
  14. Profile photo of Karen Member

    I think she’ll do it. The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pantsuit: Part 2.

    • #14
    • June 17, 2010 at 9:18 am
  15. Profile photo of Cindy Member
    James Poulos And, if you can conceive of such a thing, there would be even more corporatism and cronyism afoot — a vast, crooked-wing conspiracy. Last of all, there would be MORE BILL. · Jun 17 at 7:05am

    I have to concede that. The cronyism and “slime factor” were part of my original objections to both Clintons.

    • #15
    • June 17, 2010 at 9:44 am
  16. Profile photo of Duane Oyen Member

    The Clintons would bring us more cronyism and slime than the Chicago machine? Who are we kidding?

    • #16
    • June 17, 2010 at 10:01 am
  17. Profile photo of John Boyer Inactive

    I’m all for Hilary in 2012 if it means vicious infighting between PUMAs and the Obamaites ultimately leading to a dis-unified, disgruntled Democrat party which looses in 2012.

    • #17
    • June 17, 2010 at 10:13 am
  18. Profile photo of Harlech Inactive

    The rumor is that there’s a rumor floating around the upper echelons of the State Department that the Secretary is running. I know a guy who knows a guy, but you never know…

    • #18
    • June 17, 2010 at 10:35 am
  19. Profile photo of Cynthia Beaudin Inactive

    Operation Chaos 2.0?

    • #19
    • June 17, 2010 at 11:20 am
  20. Profile photo of Conor Friedersdorf Inactive

    If Ricochet ever takes requests put me down for more Rob Long satire. That book title is spot on.

    • #20
    • June 17, 2010 at 12:04 pm
  21. Profile photo of Conor Friedersdorf Inactive

    Cdor,

    I’d happily serve as your loyal Veep save for one requirement the office demands — living in Washington DC. You couldn’t drag me back. My only chance for high office relies on prior passage of an e-Congress, something I do advocate (imagine how much harder it would be for lobbyists if every Congressperson lived among their constituents rather than within 30 minutes of K Street).

    • #21
    • June 18, 2010 at 3:56 am
  22. Profile photo of Will Collier Inactive

    Sorry, Rob, but I don’t buy it at all, for one simple reason: the Democratic Party can’t win national elections without a mega-majority of the black vote, and blacks are not going to abandon Obama under any conceivable circumstance. It’s far more likely that they’d stay home in the general election than support a candidate who’d defeated an incumbent Obama in the primaries (itself an outcome I can’t even bring myself to realistically imagine).

    If Hillary runs again, it’ll be in 2016.

    • #22
    • June 18, 2010 at 4:43 am
  23. Profile photo of Will Collier Inactive

    Oops. Should have read Page 2. Scott beat me to it…

    • #23
    • June 18, 2010 at 4:43 am
  24. Profile photo of Rob Long Editor
    Rob Long Post author
    James Poulos

    Much as I’d like to see a great Republican ride into the White House, I have to say this fills me more with apprehension than joy. Ugly is hard to contain. · Jun 17 at 12:18pm

    Wait a minute. A primary fight in the other party isn’t ugly — it’s one of the joys and quirks of American politics. It’ll be fun. A little mayhem in the system is to be encouraged, even, if possible, orchestrated.

    • #24
    • June 18, 2010 at 5:30 am
  25. Profile photo of James Poulos Contributor

    James Poulos: Much as I’d like to see a great Republican ride into the White House, I have to say this fills me more with apprehension than joy. Ugly is hard to contain.

    Rob Long: Wait a minute. A primary fight in the other party isn’t ugly — it’s one of the joys and quirks of American politics. It’ll be fun. A little mayhem in the system is to be encouraged, even, if possible, orchestrated.

    A little mayhem? Sign me up. A cage rematch to the political death between two nationwide masses of crazed hope junkies, each with a vast anger reservoir about to blow craters of savagery into their own forced smiles? I think I’m getting the Fear.

    • #25
    • June 18, 2010 at 6:17 am
  26. Profile photo of James Poulos Contributor
    Will Collier: […] If Hillary runs again, it’ll be in 2016. · Jun 18 at 4:43am

    Especially if — gahhh — she moves up to Veep, as James Joyner speculates.

    • #26
    • June 18, 2010 at 6:47 am
  27. Profile photo of Scott R Member

    Been a lot of kidding on this so far, but seriously, wouldn’t the long-term effects on the African-American vote for the Democratic party be huge if Hillary were to challenge Obama and take much of the Dem. establishment with her? I could see that event–more than any single act Republicans could dream up–doing more to break up the 90%+ Af. Am. voting block that Democrats have counted on for more than two generations. Hillary 2012: maybe, just maybe, a liberation of sorts for African Americans.

    • #27
    • June 18, 2010 at 7:26 am
  28. Profile photo of Rob Long Editor
    Rob Long Post author

    I totally agree, Scott. Which is why I fear it won’t happen. But on the other hand, the only way the Democratic party would ever countenance a primary challenge of the nation’s first African American president was if it was for the nation’s first female president.

    • #28
    • June 18, 2010 at 10:39 am
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    James Poulos
    Will Collier: […] If Hillary runs again, it’ll be in 2016. · Jun 18 at 4:43am
    Especially if — gahhh — she moves up to Veep, as James Joyner speculates. · Jun 18 at 6:47am

    That’s. NOT. Funny.

    • #29
    • June 18, 2010 at 10:55 am
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    Cynthia Beaudin: Operation Chaos 2.0? · Jun 17 at 11:20am

    Project Mischief -> Project Mayhem. At this point, it does look like things may get ugly. Much as I’d like to see a great Republican ride into the White House, I have to say this fills me more with apprehension than joy. Ugly is hard to contain.

    • #30
    • June 18, 2010 at 12:18 pm