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  1. Profile photo of Robert Promm Inactive

    He needs some manners though.  Who is “she” who introduced him?  Etiquette requires that if the person is in the room you use the name and not the pronoun.

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    • February 4, 2012 at 11:14 am
  2. Profile photo of Chazzy Star Inactive

    I’m thinking it’s Kelly Ayotte from New Hampshire.  He said Kelly and she’s pro-life.  

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    • February 4, 2012 at 11:44 am
  3. Profile photo of Mothership_Greg Inactive
    Robert Promm: He needs some manners though.  Who is “she” who introduced him?  Etiquette requires that if the person is in the room you use the name and not the pronoun. · 7 minutes ago

    He refers to her as Kelly just prior to the two minute mark.  Kelly Ayotte.  Tsk tsk, tut tut.

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    • February 4, 2012 at 11:44 am
  4. Profile photo of Mothership_Greg Inactive

    This is a great speech, everyone watch and share.

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    • February 4, 2012 at 11:45 am
  5. Profile photo of Ben Domenech Inactive
    Ben Domenech Post author
    Robert Promm: He needs some manners though.  Who is “she” who introduced him?  Etiquette requires that if the person is in the room you use the name and not the pronoun. · 39 minutes ago

    Indeed, it was Kelly Ayotte. What are you, etiquette cop?

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    • February 4, 2012 at 11:54 am
  6. Profile photo of Pilli Member

    I can proudly say, “That’s my Senator.” 

    I compare him to Florida’s other Senator, Bill Nelson.  Nelson is not my Senator.

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    • February 4, 2012 at 11:57 am
  7. Profile photo of Valiuth Member

    Well I look forward to having the choice of picking him to be the Republican Nominee for President. My great fear will be that he will run against Chris Christie and I will be paralyzed by indecision. 

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    • February 4, 2012 at 11:58 am
  8. Profile photo of Steven Potter Thatcher

    With all the heated back and forth in this primary about this or that candidate pandering on conservative principles, it’s reassuring to see that we have politicians that do get it.  It was an excellent speech.

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    • February 5, 2012 at 1:00 am
  9. Profile photo of concerned citizen Inactive

    Bravo, bravo, bravo!  Clear, powerful, passionate, and I loved how he encouraged everyone on the pro-life side to not shy away from this fight.  There is so much that one could comment on but this part brought tears to my eyes:

    “An unborn child can’t vote.  An unborn child can’t speak.  Actually, they can.  You speak for them.  That’s what you are.  In this competition between two competing sets of rights, you are the voice for children who cannot speak for themselves.”

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    • February 5, 2012 at 1:04 am
  10. Profile photo of Ken Burns Inactive

    It was a wonderful speech.  I would normally have wanted him to stay in the Senate longer, but having him as the VP candidate would help make him “next in line” and that would be a good thing.  If Obama is defeated, as VP Rubio would preside over the Senate and break ties.  If Obama is reelected, Rubio is still in the Senate……

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    • February 5, 2012 at 1:08 am
  11. Profile photo of Ben Domenech Inactive
    Ben Domenech Post author

    Those close to Rubio say he’d prefer to be Jesse Helms, not an early Veep pick. We’ll see.

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    • February 5, 2012 at 1:24 am
  12. Profile photo of CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
    concerned citizen: Bravo, bravo, bravo!  Clear, powerful, passionate, and I loved how he encouraged everyone on the pro-life side to not shy away from this fight.  There is so much that one could comment on but this part brought tears to my eyes:

    “An unborn child can’t vote.  An unborn child can’t speak.  Actually, they can.  You speak for them.  That’s what you are.  In this competition between two competing sets of rights, you are the voice for children who cannot speak for themselves.” · 17 minutes ago

    I have of late been using a phrase for those young people especially who speak for the unborn: the “66%” — the 66% of their generation not killed by abortion. We need to stand up for the unborn. We are the 66%.

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    • February 5, 2012 at 1:29 am
  13. Profile photo of billy Member
    Ben Domenech: Those close to Rubio say he’d prefer to be Jesse Helms, not an early Veep pick. We’ll see. · 24 minute

    I hope so. The VP slot would be a waste of his talents.

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    • February 5, 2012 at 1:50 am
  14. Profile photo of heyjude Inactive

    I shared this on my facebook page. Best thing I’ve watched in a long time! 

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    • February 5, 2012 at 1:52 am
  15. Profile photo of DocJay Member

    Just a wonderful shining light in the ever darkening dream of GOP politics.  2016 Rubio.

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    • February 5, 2012 at 2:31 am
  16. Profile photo of Aaron Miller Member

    You can’t possibly be saying that those children [orphans, unwanted children, etc] should also be eliminated.

    Yet even Rubio succumbs to euphemisms.

    Killing a child in the womb is a brutal act. Brutality should be condemned as bluntly as possible. Don’t even say “abortion”. It’s killing a child.

    Left to nature, it will become a person.

    Don’t ever say that. That concedes that an unborn child is not a person, which is incorrect.

    How we define a person grows and recedes as that person matures and diminshes in old age. Just as an old man breathing his final breaths, unable to speak or move, is still a person, a child who cannot yet speak or think is also a person.

    There is nothing a month-old human baby can do that an adult chimpanzee cannot, yet it should go without question that the baby’s life is more valuable than the chimp’s. Our worth is not derived from what we can do. It is inherent, with God’s love.

    Anyway, I’m thankful that Rubio speaks for the children. Killing an innocent is not an acceptable way to avoid any hardship.

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    • February 5, 2012 at 3:12 am
  17. Profile photo of Michael Kellogg Inactive
    Valiuth: Well I look forward to having the choice of picking him to be the Republican Nominee for President. My great fear will be that he will run against Christ Christie and I will be paralyzed by indecision.  · 3 hours ago

    Read about Christie’s poor decisions on judicial appointments and you may not have that fear anymore.

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    • February 5, 2012 at 3:14 am
  18. Profile photo of Ken Burns Inactive
    billy
    Ben Domenech: Those close to Rubio say he’d prefer to be Jesse Helms, not an early Veep pick. We’ll see. · 24 minute
    I hope so. The VP slot would be a waste of his talents. · 1 hour ago

    Being VP would be a waste of his talents.  But being VP would elevate him to the likely nominee in 2020.  Being the VP nominee on a losing 2012 ticket would elevate him to the likely nominee in 2016.  

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    • February 5, 2012 at 3:18 am
  19. Profile photo of Aaron Miller Member

    One more point on personhood, since that’s what this debate really revolves around.

    Personhood is not an objective trait. It is relational. Personhood is “who” a person is. Though certain aspects of a person’s character are constant, those aspects are important or unimportant depending on who you ask.

    “Who is so-and-so?” He’s a father or son. He’s a friend or colleague. He’s a good man, or a selfish man, or an impatient man. He’s a New Yorker, a Texan or a Turk. He’s a liberal or a conservative.

    How we answer “who” changes depending on the circumstances… on who is asking and why. The more mature and experienced a person, the more possible answers one might provide.

    The question of personhood as relates to abortion is really about what grants a being a right to life.

    I would respond that the right to life — inherent human value — does not derive from one’s actions or any quality which emerges during maturation before or after birth. Our value comes from without, not from within. We are each inherently precious because we are uniquely loved creations and adopted children of God.

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    • February 5, 2012 at 3:25 am
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    Brian Watt
    Valiuth: Well I look forward to having the choice of picking him to be the Republican Nominee for President. My great fear will be that he will run against Christ Christie and I will be paralyzed by indecision.  · 25 minutes ago

    Look I like Christie, too…but he’s hardly the Messiah. 🙂 · 3 hours ago

    Particularly as he supported the Ground Zero mosque.

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    • February 5, 2012 at 3:35 am
  21. Profile photo of Charles Mark Member

    I think he was too soft on the pro-choice side. Maybe that was what the occasion demanded?

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    • February 5, 2012 at 3:35 am
  22. Profile photo of Guy Incognito Inactive

    I did like how he refuted the whole evictionist argument, which, in living up to its “third way” claim, is just the same policy as Left but with a different name.  If a parent says “I don’t want this noisy newborn and so am evicting it from my house, as I have a right to do as it is my private property”, and the baby freezes to death, that ex-parent will then be charged with murder.  While the unborn baby may seem like a trickier matter, it is effectively the same situation.

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    • February 5, 2012 at 3:53 am
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    Brian Watt
    Valiuth: Well I look forward to having the choice of picking him to be the Republican Nominee for President. My great fear will be that he will run against Christ Christie and I will be paralyzed by indecision.  · 25 minutes ago
    Look I like Christie, too…but he’s hardly the Messiah. 🙂 · 3 hours ago

    Maybe I like him subconsciously more than I thought…or I can’t spel one of the two. ;-) 

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    • February 5, 2012 at 3:57 am
  24. Profile photo of katievs Member
    Aaron Miller: Personhood is not an objective trait. It is relational. Personhood is “who” a person is.

    Whoa.  As Ricochet’s own, self-appointed, in-house Personalist, I protest.  

    Personhood is an ontological category of objective being. It is not reducible to relations.

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    • February 5, 2012 at 4:32 am
  25. Profile photo of Ben Domenech Inactive
    Ben Domenech Post author
    katievs
    Aaron Miller: Personhood is not an objective trait. It is relational. Personhood is “who” a person is.
    Whoa.  As Ricochet’s own, self-appointed, in-house Personalist, I protest.  

    Personhood is an ontological category of objective being. It is not reducible to relations. · 5 minutes ago

    Personhood distracts from the nature of this in my view. What is a human life? Someone who is 1. human and 2. alive. The rest is mere meandering.

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    • February 5, 2012 at 4:39 am
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    EThompson
    Charlotte
    George Savage The Reagan magic and youth to boot.  I can’t wait for President Rubio one day soon. · 1 hour ago

    Not to mention, well, okay, I’ll just come out and say it:

    H.O.T.T.I.E.

    Ditto. ;) · 6 hours ago

    Why must it be one day soon?

    MARCO RUBIO FOR PRESIDENT IN 2012!!!

    There, that wasn’t so difficult.

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    • February 5, 2012 at 5:00 am
  27. Profile photo of katievs Member
    Ben Domenech

    Personhood distracts from the nature of this in my view. What is a human life? Someone who is 1. human and 2. alive. The rest is mere meandering. 

    As Ricochet’s own self appointed in house Personalist, [hereinafter ROSAP], I must protest again.

    Questions related to the nature and dignity of personhood are 1) as a matter of historical fact at the heart of the ethical debate, and 2) the richest vein of philosophical gold for overcoming the culture of death.

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    • February 5, 2012 at 5:27 am
  28. Profile photo of Noesis Noeseos Inactive
    Aaron Miller: …

    Personhood is not an objective trait. It is relational. Personhood is “who” a person is. Though certain aspects of a person’s character are constant, those aspects are important or unimportant depending on who you ask.

    “Who is so-and-so?” He’s a father or son. …

    The question of personhood as relates to abortion is really about what grants a being a right to life.

     …· 2 hours ago

    Are you saying that relations lack objectivity? Consider a father and son.  Each is subjective to himself but objective to the other.  Each is a person (in law at the very minimum).

    While we cannot say what sort of subjectivity an embryo might possess, it remains objectively a living human being, a life distinct from although attached to and dependent upon its mother.  In no case is it absorbed completely into her subjectivity.  Its life instantiates the life of the species just as uniquely as that of a child, an adult, or a man or woman facing the hour of death.

    Perhaps you mean to say that personality is not a static or an abstract trait.

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    • February 5, 2012 at 5:28 am
  29. Profile photo of Brian Clendinen Member

    It was a good speech, however, it is not in the best of category unless you servery limit your population to Presidents/Senators. Among others Alan Keys has speeches on this issue that are a lot better.

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    • February 5, 2012 at 5:29 am
  30. Profile photo of tabula rasa Member

    There’s no doubt in my mind that he’s the best VP candidate.  I’d pay money to see him debate Biden.

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    • February 5, 2012 at 5:43 am
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