Just Try This at Your Next Audit

 

From Politico:

Lois Lerner will invoke her Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate herself when she appears tomorrow before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, her lawyer told the panel in a letter.

Lerner is the IRS official who triggered a Washington scandal by acknowledging that the agency wrongly targeted conservative groups. In the letter, Lerner’s lawyer, William Taylor, asked Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) to excuse her from appearing at tomorrow’s hearing.

“Requiring her to appear at the hearing merely to assert her Fifth Amendment privilege would have no purpose other than to embarrass or burden her,” Taylor wrote.

Well, yeah. That’s kind of the point. Are you telling us she wasn’t embarrassed already?

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  1. Profile photo of tabula rasa Member

    Eliana Johnson at NRO is reporting that the Issa committee immediately issued a subpoena. Whether they can get it served in time remains to be seen.

    When high government officials plead the fifth, I think we can conclude (1) it’s an official scandal and (2) it’s time for a special counsel.

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    • May 22, 2013 at 1:46 am
  2. Profile photo of DocJay Member

    Bring her up and make her squirm. Threaten prosecution.

    • #2
    • May 22, 2013 at 1:47 am
  3. Profile photo of DocJay Member
    tabula rasa: Eliana Johnson at NRO is reporting that the Issa committee immediately issued a subpoena. Whether they can get it served in time remains to be seen.

    When high government officials plead the fifth, I think we can conclude (1) it’s an official scandal and (2) it’s time for a special counsel. · 1 minute ago

    We need a number of special counsels.

    • #3
    • May 22, 2013 at 1:48 am
  4. Profile photo of Valiuth Member

    Well we should all hope she is at least embarrassed. I mean that seems like the bare minimum reaction to have to being outed as a corrupt public servant. Though I doubt she truly feels any such embarrassment for anything other than being caught. 

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    • May 22, 2013 at 1:51 am
  5. Profile photo of tabula rasa Member
    DocJay
    tabula rasa: Eliana Johnson at NRO is reporting that the Issa committee immediately issued a subpoena. Whether they can get it served in time remains to be seen.

    When high government officials plead the fifth, I think we can conclude (1) it’s an official scandal and (2) it’s time for a special counsel. · 1 minute ago

    We need a number of special counsels. · 1 minute ago

    Doc: If and when you get subpoenaed by Congress, I hope you send a letter telling them you intend to rely on the Second Amendment.

    • #5
    • May 22, 2013 at 1:52 am
  6. Profile photo of Valiuth Member
    DocJay: Bring her up and make her squirm. Threaten prosecution. · 4 minutes ago

    Why just threaten? I say take her to the cleaners with this. Along with all her subordinates. 

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    • May 22, 2013 at 1:53 am
  7. Profile photo of 1967mustangman Member

    A lawyer for and IRS official making a sympathy play? Yeah that will go over well.

    • #7
    • May 22, 2013 at 1:56 am
  8. Profile photo of DocJay Member
    Valiuth
    DocJay: Bring her up and make her squirm. Threaten prosecution. · 4 minutes ago

    Why just threaten? I say take her to the cleaners with this. Along with all her subordinates. · 3 minutes ago

    I’m with you. Threaten tomorrow, do it soon. You’ll get folks to squeal and turn.

    This was ordered from the white house.

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    • May 22, 2013 at 1:59 am
  9. Profile photo of Tracy Pawlak Inactive

    Since she works for us, the people, I say burden her.

    • #9
    • May 22, 2013 at 2:00 am
  10. Profile photo of DrewInWisconsin Member

    Well . . .

    Carney seems to be suggesting that the question plant that resulted in the “apology” was developed in concert with the White House.

    So, to unpack this a bit, the White House deputy chief of staff was informed of and involved in managing the abuse to the level of working with Treasury officials about how to let the public know. Rather than come up with an honest and straightforward way of communicating it, the IRS planted a question in an obscure conference call on a Friday that would elicit a very incomplete apology, a few days before the IG report was expected to hit.

    Are we supposed to expect that Childress was acting alone? He’s the deputy White House chief of staff, his boss is chief of staff Denis McDonough. We learned on Monday that McDonough and the White House counsel learned of the IRS abuse in April at the latest. Did he not know — did he order — Childress to work with IRS to manage the planted question? What did McDonough know about the planted question? Was the White House counsel involved in planting the question? What did Obama know about any of this?

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    • May 22, 2013 at 2:11 am
  11. Profile photo of John Walker Contributor

    And then, as they did with Mafia witnesses in the 1960s, keep her at the table for four or five hours, reciting the full assertion of fifth amendment privilege for question after question, with the questions becoming increasingly provocative. For example,

    Q: Do you have any personal recollection of this targeted scrutiny of groups having been requested by officials at the White House?

    A: I respectfully decline to answer….

    Q: Do you have any personal recollection of this targeted scrutiny of groups having been requested by officials at the Justice Department?

    A: I respectfully decline to answer….

    Lather, rinse, repeat.

    What will make this even better is that the alternation between Democrat and GOP questioners will show who are the sycophantic defenders of the regime and who are the people trying to get to the bottom of what really happened.

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    • May 22, 2013 at 2:11 am
  12. Profile photo of DrewInWisconsin Member
    John Walker: And then, as they did with Mafia witnesses in the 1960s, keep her at the table for four or five hours, reciting the full assertion of fifth amendment privilege for question after question, with the questions becoming increasingly provocative.

    They should ask her about her prayers.

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    • May 22, 2013 at 2:13 am
  13. Profile photo of RyanM Coolidge
    DocJay: Bring her up and make her squirm. Threaten prosecution. · 27 minutes ago

    Bring her up, televise it, let her squirm publicly. Then don’t threaten prosecution – actually prosecute and let her rot in jail. We should have a zero tolerance for this nonsense. If it happened under a republican president, there would be calls for her head on a platter. That’s fine, let’s see her head on a platter, then.

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    • May 22, 2013 at 2:24 am
  14. Profile photo of Duane Oyen Member

    There is no reason whatever not to grant her immunity from prosecution and force her to talk under threat of contempt. I don’t care about sending her to jail, I want the truth to come out.

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    • May 22, 2013 at 2:27 am
  15. Profile photo of Eric Hines Member
    Valiuth
    DocJay: Bring her up and make her squirm. Threaten prosecution. · 4 minutes ago

    Why just threaten? I say take her to the cleaners with this. Along with all her subordinates. · 35 minutes ago

    And her bosses.

    Bring her in and ask her the questions. Lots and lots of questions. Waive the 5 minutes per Congressman rule. Let her take the 5th. Lots and lots of times. The plea(s) have broader implications than just for her (indeed, regarding her, we cannot draw conclusions from her pleas): those implications are entirely negative for everyone up her chain of command–which is very short to the White House. What or who is she covering?

    Granting her immunity for her testimony here isn’t a bad idea, either; she’s small fry compared to the shield she’s providing. Especially with the 5 minute rule waived.

    Eric Hines

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    • May 22, 2013 at 2:35 am
  16. Profile photo of Pilli Member

    This will all trace back to Valerie Jarrett. She is the power behind the throne here.

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    • May 22, 2013 at 2:41 am
  17. Profile photo of DocJay Member

    Glad to see people fired up!

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    • May 22, 2013 at 2:50 am
  18. Profile photo of David Williamson Member

    Perhaps she could call on the Pope’s help. Oh, wait – wrong thread.

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    • May 22, 2013 at 2:55 am
  19. Profile photo of Brian Clendinen Member
    John Walker: And then, as they did with Mafia witnesses in the 1960s, keep her at the table for four or five hours, reciting the full assertion of fifth amendment privilege for question after question, with the questions becoming increasingly provocative. For example,

    Q: Do you have any personal recollection of this targeted scrutiny of groups having been requested by officials at the White House?

    A: I respectfully decline to answer….

    Q: Do you have any personal recollection of this targeted scrutiny of groups having been requested by officials at the Justice Department?

    A: I respectfully decline to answer….

    Lather, rinse, repeat.

    I would add:

    Have you ever accepted money to hold up and or stop a claim or accepted money to perform an audit that would not otherwise of been performed by normal section criteria for none “Conservative” organizations?

     

    Have you ever accepted Sexual Favors in order to perform any function in your Job Capacity at the IRS?

     

     If she thinks it is embarrassing lets ask the most embarrassing questions possible.

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    • May 22, 2013 at 3:01 am
  20. Profile photo of flownover Inactive

    How about :

    “Within the framework of the new regulations allowing union leadership to participate in management decisions, have your unionized colleagues, such as Colleen Kelley, assisted you in the targeting of Tea Party, anti-abortion groups, and other conservative factions ?”

    That would be a doble.

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    • May 22, 2013 at 3:10 am
  21. Profile photo of Valiuth Member

    I’m not really worried about her bosses. They will be gone in 3 years or so. Her underlings though are committed cogs in the bureaucracy, and they are ultimately the real danger. Presidents come and go, but a government bureaucrat is always there. 

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    • May 22, 2013 at 3:13 am
  22. Profile photo of DocJay Member
    Valiuth: I’m not really worried about her bosses. They will be gone in 3 years or so. Her underlings though are committed cogs in the bureaucracy, and they are ultimately the real danger. Presidents come and go, but a government bureaucrat is always there. · 0 minutes ago

    If the white house is not discredited here it will be a crying shame. But all those complicit need jail.

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    • May 22, 2013 at 3:15 am
  23. Profile photo of Chris Campion Thatcher

    Is it too much to ask for both?

    Duane Oyen: There is no reason whatever not to grant her immunity from prosecution and force her to talk under threat of contempt. I don’t care about sending her to jail, I want the truth to come out. · 12 hours ago
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    • May 22, 2013 at 3:49 am
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    DocJay

    … But all those complicit need jail. · 21 minutes ago

    Yes, all need jail. Did anyone at the GSA serve time or repay the money they wasted? Isn’t government what we all do together? Or is it what we all do TO each other.

    The problem is rampant. Jail and fines. Anyone who provides evidence against superiors may have their fines reduced – maybe.

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    • May 22, 2013 at 3:50 am
  25. Profile photo of Rightfromthestart Thatcher

    I believe Watergate broke open when someone (Dean, maybe?) was threatened with 30 years if he didn’t talk.

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    • May 22, 2013 at 3:52 am
  26. Profile photo of R. Craigen Inactive

    I do have a comment but I choose to withhold it as it might get me in trouble here.

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    • May 22, 2013 at 4:04 am
  27. Profile photo of Dave Carter Contributor

    So, if I understand this correctly, the Obama Administration’s view of Constitutional governance is to shred the 1st Amendment, disembowel the 2nd Amendment, ignore the 4th and 10th Amendments, and then take refuge behind the 5th. That about right?

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    • May 22, 2013 at 4:46 am
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    DrewInWisconsin
    John Walker: And then, as they did with Mafia witnesses in the 1960s, keep her at the table for four or five hours, reciting the full assertion of fifth amendment privilege for question after question, with the questions becoming increasingly provocative. 

    They should ask her about her prayers. · 2 hours ago

    I think I would start the proceedings with…”so Ms. Lerner did you say your prayers before you arrived today and would you share what was in those prayers…”

    The corruption is deep here and spreads all the way up to the WH. We know it. They know it. Time to double-down and go all Watergate on them.

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    • May 22, 2013 at 4:48 am
  29. Profile photo of Jimmy Carter Member

    Then waterboard.

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    • May 22, 2013 at 5:51 am
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