Jeb Bush Starts the Debate


If the GOP is going to have to have a debate on immigration, then so are we here at Ricochet. A friend send along this clip from an interview I did with Jeb Bush soon after he stepped down as governor. As you’ll see, the former governor–and, very possibly, future presidential candidate–has very little patience with Republicans who wish to restrict immigration, not welcome it.

Listen to Gov. Bush–the tape lasts three minutes, and he’s a wonderfully articulate and compelling man. Then let this rest of us know what you think.

Is he, fundamentally, right?

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    Peter: The link is unavailable.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 8:33 am
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    Peter: Did you mean to write “very little impatience”? That would imply that his patience with such persons is quite high. 

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    • November 27, 2012 at 8:38 am
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    Did you mean very little patience?

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    • November 27, 2012 at 8:39 am
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    Can’t see what he’s saying (as noted above), but I think VDH would disagree with him. I’ll have to go with Victor on this one. If he and Paul Rahe are ever in disagreement I’ll really have a conundrum on my hands, but between Bush (any) and Hanson I know which way to bet.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 8:39 am
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    I have very little patience for any GOP would run another member of the Bush family for President of the United States. We might as well coronate them all if we’re happy with a dynasty.

    I don’t care if he is right as rain about every issue on the table. Run another Bush and you will have confirmed the Left’s perception that the GOP is a good ol’ boys’ club of old, rich, white elitists. Doesn’t matter if he speaks perfect Spanish; doesn’t matter if he’s right down the alley of the Democratic Party’s position on immigration policy. The Leftist media machine will still paint him as an eeeeville, rich, white, country club good ol’ boy. And we will lose. Again.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 8:46 am
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    I think this is the link.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 8:58 am
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  7. Inactive

    I can’t get the link to work either.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 8:58 am
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    I’m hoping he’ll run, and lock up the establishment, the party machinery and all the big donors, then he can suck all the oxygen and new ideas out of the primary so the campaign is about the same stale [expletive] that we’ve been squabbling about for a decade now.

    No, wait. The opposite of that.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 9:08 am
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    I am not interested in hearing anything a Bush has to say and I guess the internet gods aren’t either. The country has concluded they were lucky to survive the last one and will not be interested for a century or so for another. I guess Robinson and the big government Republicans will keep pushing the idea for yet one more.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 9:13 am
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    The New Clear Option: I have very little patience for any GOP would run another member of the Bush family for President of the United States. We might as well coronate them all if we’re happy with a dynasty.

    But lefties love dynasties: look at the Kennedys.

    The Leftist media machine will still paint him as an eeeeville, rich, white, country club good ol’ boy.

    The Leftist media machine will do that to anyone the GOP runs, including Allen West and Condi Rice.

    Not that I’m a big Jeb fan.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 9:14 am
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    I’m all for a coherent path to citizenship. But for the better part of 20 years illegal immigration has cost border states tens perhaps hundreds of billions of dollars in lost revenue for repeatedly incarcerating criminals, and paying healthcare and education costs. In some cases, in California particularly, state and local jurisdictions confer more rights upon illegal immigrants than its own citizens in the interest of fairness. 

    Is this posting the first in a series to promote the candidacy of Jeb Bush? Far be it from me to question the motives of the editors and contributors in their choice of what to post or to elevate to the Main Feed but there was another posting about the potential candidacy of Mr. Bush on the Member Feed by yours truly that garnered 74 comments that apparently wasn’t worthy to be elevated. I realize that Ricochet isn’t a democracy but sometimes the wall between the Main and the Member Feeds is more impenetrable than America’s southern border while at other times it’s perplexing what sneaks across. 

    I do look forward to a spirited debate about whether yet another Bush should be the Republican standard bearer.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 9:15 am
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    Peter, what Republican wants to restrict immigrants?

    That’s the lazy disparagement you expect from the Left or Jeb Bush or Lindsey Graham

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    • November 27, 2012 at 9:16 am
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    Another Bush? NEVER!

    As for his stance on immigration, that is common to the Bushes, and one of a list of reason to NEVER vote for one of them again.

    Actually, they are one of the many reasons why I often doubt my own sanity about remaining a registered Republican. Nominate Jeb Bush, and all doubts are removed. And since Colorado does not have a GOP primary for federal offices, I really do wonder why I remain a Republican.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 9:17 am
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    OK, I listened to it. First off, he falsely equates the Cuban American experience with the Mexican American experience, I must assume intentionally, since as a former governor of Florida and husband of a Mexican American, he should have enough experience to know that the two immigrant groups have little in common in their desire to come to the US.Second, I think he misstates Republican opposition to immigration, which consists nearly entirely of opposition to illegal immigration. This isn’t new; we saw the same thing in the stem cell debates, the Gay Marriage debate. The nuanced response is dumbed down to a straw man, in order for the arguer to gain some cheap grace attacking a position no one holds. I expect such bad faith from our opposition, and even the media, who have proven either dishonest or ignorant on a whole host of issues, but for someone who would be a standard bearer for my Party, I expect that he at least respect us enough to answer our honest arguments.
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    • November 27, 2012 at 9:22 am
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    Apologies for the wall of text; each time I entered the post, it removed my paragraph breaks.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 9:23 am
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    It is not that the GOP is anti-immigrant. It is against a system where the King may grant special status to persons breaking the law. If the King wishes to use his pardon power then let the law breakers first turn themselves in to the authorities. Then the King may sign each pardon individually – not with an autopen – all 11.5 million times.

    That should keep him busy for the next four years.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 9:31 am
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    Ningrim: Peter, what Republican wants to restrict immigrants?

    That’s the lazy disparagement you expect from the Left or Jeb Bush or Lindsey Graham · 14 minutes ago

    Rand Paul does. Last week he proposed an Amnesty+border security+immigration moratorium deal. It’s a fantastic idea, too..

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    • November 27, 2012 at 9:33 am
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    Further, he is wrong. Opposition to illegal immigration is a moral issue. No country can exist without a strong sense of its own internal integrity. The large number of Mexicans who enter our country illegally do not do so because they love our country and prefer it to their own; they do it for the same reason I moved from a small agricultural town to the big city: there were more opportunities in the big city. I had no love for the city, but it was a place to find a better job. If I could have found a good job at home, I’d have stayed there.Mexico is not a third world country. It is not, unlike for instance, most of Africa, economically blighted. As countries go, it’s moderately prosperous. Its citizens deserve no greater consideration due to their proximity than we allow the denizens of much worse places to live, simply because their country is closer.

    Anyone who wishes to streamline our immigration process I am willing to listen to. But the GOP must defend our borders. No one else will.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 9:34 am
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    If Jeb Bush pretends to be a conservative, I’ll pretend to vote for him.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 9:35 am
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    Can’t get the link to work but I’ve already heard enough from Jeb Bush. Read my lips: no – more- Bushes!

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    • November 27, 2012 at 9:36 am
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    I am in favor of limiting immigration. We should have a rational coherent immigration policy built around how many new people our nation can absorb each year, from where, and with what qualifications, and with what documentation verifying who they actually are. None of this has a dang thing to do with antipathy towards others. Its just an acknowledgement of reality that we can’t absorb and assimilate more than some finite amount and that our resources are limited. Than rigorously enforce that.

    If we want to help our south of the border friends and their humanitarian crisis stop dumping government subsidized agricultural goods in south america or anywhere for that matter, and stop the decimation of legitimate agriculture abroad. I mean come on.

    One can be restrictive while still welcoming. They are not mutually exclusive.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 9:37 am
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    I can’t find the video. John Ellis (Bush) was my governor. He did have some improvements in public schools, especially in the Miami area (closish) to me. Typical situation– the left swore up and down his reforms wouldn’t work, and then they did!

    I don’t have any strong opinion on a “Bush” in the White House either way. It will be up to him to run his own campaign. He is a better communicator than his brother George, so running the same line of attack–“oh he’s an idiot” will not work. Don’t “misunderestimate” him.

    However, I have anecdotal evidence from a good source that many in the public universities in FL really dislike him. And Rick Scott is hurting the R brand here…

    As far as the immigration thing… the conversation is actually about immigration from our southern border with Mexico right? We need more Mexican immigration? Is it really good for the country? Or is this a policy that would help some people feel more “moral” if they voted for it? Few people would object to importing more doctors and engineers, but is that really what we are talking about? 

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    • November 27, 2012 at 9:37 am
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    Jeb is vying for the much sought after David Brooks endorsement.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 9:59 am
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    As pragmatic conservatives we need to understand that different categories of circumstances need different treatment. Yes, all people coming from other countries to live here are immigrants, and on some level we need a general, standard policy for all immigrants. That doesn’t preclude also having some differentiation of immigration policy based on geography.

    There exists a 2000 mile border with Mexico and a very motivated, mobile work force who can circumvent our border control with relative ease. A wall will certainly staunch this to some degree, but we will still see a much larger influx of immigration from Mexico than from the rest of the world. What’s more, over time people desperate to come here from Mexico will find and exploit more and more ways around the wall. It will not serve as the long term answer to making the influx of Mexican immigration as manageable as immigration from other countries.

    We need a policy toward immigration across our southern border that recognizes the realities that geography and the invisible hand have upon our labor market, and devise an immigration policy tailored to those realities which are unique to people who want to come here from Mexico.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 10:05 am
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    Jeb is a most articluate gentlemen and a good governor. He also lives in a house with expensive marble floors and no windows.

    There are absolutely brilliant articulate speakers and leaders that immigrated to the U.S. legally and have earned every bit of the American dream. I think it is naive to say that those cases aren’t exceptions. There are too many places less than a mile from me that do not speak English and gladly accept pesos for business transactions.

    The U.S. can and should do better naturalizing Latino immigrants. There is also responsibility on the part of immigrants to speak our native language – English, support themselves, and integrate to OUR culture.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 10:16 am
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    Everyone else has already said it. We need another Bush on the GOP ticket like we need an aperture through the cranial cavity. 

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    • November 27, 2012 at 10:28 am
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    I hear a lot of ad hominem attacks. I hear a lot of attacks on him because of who he is related to. This may come as a surprise to you, but he cannot control the actions of his family members. I hear a lot of assertions. I do not hear much reason.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 10:31 am
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    The primary problem with immigration exists because Bushes failed to enforce existing immigration laws. They did so not because they thought it would be best for the county, but because they thought it would be best for them and their party. Laws that are not enforced breed contempt for the laws and the principles that lay behind them.

    Probably assimilation by Latinos has been slower than previous immigrant groups because a high percentage of them are here illegally. While I blame them for this, it is good to remember the sliver spooned Bushes were buying votes with their below market labor which also adversely affected the wages of ordinary Americans of less aristocratic lineage.

    One should note he never answered the question that was asked. If anyone in the GOP wanted to hear a lecture on conservative values from a Bush they could have invited one of the ex-presidents to their convention. The fact that they were not leads me to believe the Bush family has little to contribute to the debate going forward.

    Immigration is primarily a failure of leadership, not of policy. 

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    • November 27, 2012 at 10:34 am
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    • November 27, 2012 at 10:34 am
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    I don’t understand why the majority of posts here ignore the actual topic Peter wished to discuss and instead take some conspiratorial tack thinking that the reason Peter posted this was not to discuss latino immigration, but rather as an early promotion of Jeb Bush as president. Good grief, to borrow a phrase from Peter, let’s keep this about immigration, and if you must pillory Jeb Bush or the thought of a potential presidential candidacy, start a thread about that topic instead of confusing the proper topic of this conversation.

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    • November 27, 2012 at 10:37 am
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