2016 GOP Crowd Walking Away from Romney

 

Want to know who your real friends are? Try losing a presidential election some time.

Mitt Romney got some flak yesterday for saying that his loss was partially attributable to “gifts” that the Obama Administration targeted towards young, Black, and Hispanic voters. That was predictable. What may be a little more surprising is how much of it came from fellow Republicans — especially those considering a 2016 presidential bid.

Bobby Jindal:

“I absolutely reject that notion, that description” of Obama’s winning strategy, which Romney made in a conference call that reporters heard. “I think that’s absolutely wrong.”

The election, Jindal said, showed that “if we’re going to continue to be a competitive party and win elections on the national stage and continue to fight for our conservative principles, we need two messages to get out loudly and clearly: One, we are fighting for 100 percent of the votes, and secondly, our policies benefit every American who wants to pursue the American dream. Period. No exceptions.”

Marco Rubio:

The potential 2016 hopeful told POLITICO that he hadn’t seen the full context of Romney’s comments, and downplayed them as simply “an analysis to donors.” But he said, “our mission should not be to deny government benefits to people who need them,” but the party should work to ensure “less people need government benefits.”

“I don’t want to rebut him point by point,” Rubio said of Romney. “I would just say to you, I don’t believe that we have millions and millions of people in this country that don’t want to work. I’m not saying that’s what he said. I think we have millions of people in this country that are out of work and are dependent on the government because they can’t find a job.”

What say the Ricochetti? Are we hopeless in the face of the Santa Claus state?

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  1. Profile photo of tabula rasa Member

    Politicians act like politicians. But I must say both Jindal and Rubio just went down a notch in my eyes. (And I still like both).

    Have we lost the virtue of gratitude? Both men could easily have danced around that question without (1) pandering (yes, there are a lot of voters who are more than happy with free stuff) and (2) without dissing Romney.

    When Jindal had his big chance to respond to Obama’s state of the union and, shall we say, “blew it,” a lot of folks piled on. What he and the rest of us need to remember are the ones who kept their mouths shut and didn’t criticize him.

    Politicians have short memories for things people do for them, and long memories for slights.

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    • November 16, 2012 at 1:01 am
  2. Profile photo of Misthiocracy Member
    Ryan M: Those two, Jindal and Rubio, are distancing themselves from that comment (despite the fact that they most likely agree in private) so that they can avoid having soundbites for the media to broadcast all over the 2016 election. They know exactly what the other side will do to win elections. I think Romney understands that. He shouldn’t expect support from anyone with a political future.

    Mitt Romney doesn’t need anybody’s political support anymore. He’s a private citizen now. He can say what he wants, and it shouldn’t be used against future candidates.

    Of course, the reality is that anything will be used against future candidates if it can be, which is why I don’t mind Jindal and Rubio’s comments.

    (What I really wanna know is, is he gonna retire, is he gonna go back to rescuing depressed companies, and where do I apply to be Jeeves to his Wooster? 😉

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    • November 16, 2012 at 1:01 am
  3. Profile photo of Brian Clendinen Member

    Are Jindal and Rubio trying to tick are the most conservative base? I like them both a lot.

     I could understand a statement were they disagree that it is wrong to say it was the only contributing factor to the loss. However, saying it had no roll, what universe are they living in. Do they even understand human nature? I understand you don’t get votes by insulting people if you are a Republican (were as that is how you get them if you are a Democrat in a Primary).

     

    Don’t get me wrong it comes across as a lame excuses on Romney behalf even if it is true that this was the major reason why Obama was able get a D6%+ turnout. However, totally distancing yourself from 100% of the analysis Romney gave, with-out breaking down in detail why you believe the statement is wrong, makes you appear like your typical political weasel.

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    • November 16, 2012 at 1:04 am
  4. Profile photo of Jeffery Shepherd Member

    I think Romney would have been a fine President. Maybe even a really good one considering our current situation. However, this election should have been a walk in the park for republicans and it wasn’t because the top of the ticket couldn’t get out the vote. That’s on Romney the candidate and nobody else.

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    • November 16, 2012 at 1:05 am
  5. Profile photo of Misthiocracy Member
    tabula rasa: Politicians act like politicians. But I must say both Jindal and Rubio just went down a notch in my eyes. (And I still like both).

    Have we lost the virtue of gratitude? Both men could easily have danced around that question without (1) pandering (yes, there are a lot of voters who are more than happy with free stuff) and (2) without dissing Romney.

    <devil’s advocate mode = on>

    What if the best thing Mitt Romney can do now to help a future Republican victory is to offer up his persona of the out-of-touch white guy as a punching bag?

    That does not mean that Republicans need to change their policy stands to differ from Romney substantively.

    If Romney’s image is set in stone in the minds of voters, I can imagine Mitt being classy enough to say to other Republicans, “let me have it, if it’ll help.”

    Like Reagan said, it’s amazing what you can accomplish if you don’t care who gets the credit.

    <devil’s advocate mode = off>

    • #5
    • November 16, 2012 at 1:10 am
  6. Profile photo of Illiniguy Member

    The problem is that those who want government to be “Dad” instead of “Uncle Sam” have forgotten what is probably the most important thing that Dads do. That is, telling Junior when it’s time to take his hand out of the old man’s wallet, walk through the door to make his own way in the world and call home when he gets a job.

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    • November 16, 2012 at 1:13 am
  7. Profile photo of Albert Arthur Coolidge

    My Facebook friends are saying Romney is racist because of this.

    • #7
    • November 16, 2012 at 1:20 am
  8. Profile photo of Stuart Creque Member

    The line the Democrats use is, “If you work hard and play by the rules, you should have a fair shot to get ahead in America.”

    That’s not in dispute.

    What’s in dispute is what should happen if you DON’T work hard and have no intention of doing so, or DON’T play by the rules and don’t care to do so.

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    • November 16, 2012 at 1:36 am
  9. Profile photo of wmartin Inactive
    Jeff Shepherd: I think Romney would have been a fine President. Maybe even a really good one considering our current situation. However, this election should have been a walk in the park for republicans and it wasn’t because the top of the ticket couldn’t get out the vote. That’s on Romney the candidate and nobody else. · 24 minutes ago

    Ramesh Ponnuru had an excellent article yesterday at NRO about how Romney ran ahead of most of the conservative senate candidates. Romney was not a drag on the Republican Party label, the Republican Party label was a drag on Romney. It’s a big problem with the party.

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    • November 16, 2012 at 1:39 am
  10. Profile photo of Terry Mott Member
    Illiniguy: The problem is that those who want government to be “Dad” instead of “Uncle Sam” have forgotten what is probably the most important thing that Dads do. That is, telling Junior when it’s time to take his hand out of the old man’s wallet, walk through the door to make his own way in the world and call home when he gets a job. · 25 minutes ago

    I think lots of folks want government to be “Mom”, not “Dad”.

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    • November 16, 2012 at 1:41 am
  11. Profile photo of Chuckles Member

    Are we helpless? No.

    If we work really hard we can certainly slow down the slide a little bit. 

    Half the people don’t care enough to vote, and of those that DO vote, half wanted Obama. Of those that voted against Obama, a large percentage had trouble deciding. So – we are on the wrong end of the lever. 

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    • November 16, 2012 at 2:08 am
  12. Profile photo of Miffed White Male Member

    I agree with Tabula Rasa that my opinion of both Jindal and Rubio went down as a result of this.

    Also, I won’t vote for Rubio for any office until he learns the difference between “less” and “fewer”.

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    • November 16, 2012 at 2:16 am
  13. Profile photo of Misthiocracy Member
    wmartin
    Jeff Shepherd: I think Romney would have been a fine President. Maybe even a really good one considering our current situation. However, this election should have been a walk in the park for republicans and it wasn’t because the top of the ticket couldn’t get out the vote. That’s on Romney the candidate and nobody else.

    Ramesh Ponnuru had an excellent article yesterday at NRO about how Romney ran ahead of most of the conservative senate candidates. Romney was not a drag on the Republican Party label, the Republican Party label was a drag on Romney. It’s a big problem with the party.

    I personally would love to see a Whig comeback, but it’s not likely.

    I’m actually not kidding.

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    • November 16, 2012 at 2:33 am
  14. Profile photo of Trace Inactive

    You’re just so hard to please Felicia.

    FeliciaB: I really, really, really want Marco Rubio to be my president. Maybe it’s because he’s brown and I’m bigoted in favor of brown people. But what he says is right. Bobby Jindal would get my vote, too (not just because he’s brown… well…). · 1 hour ago

    Edited 1 hour ago

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    • November 16, 2012 at 2:34 am
  15. Profile photo of Misthiocracy Member
    Jeff Richter: I agree with Tabula Rasa that my opinion of both Jindal and Rubio went down as a result of this.

    Also, I won’t vote for Rubio for any office until he learns the difference between “less” and “fewer”. 

    Well, if we’re gonna go off-topic anyways, the “less” vs. “fewer” rule isn’t a real rule.

    Pedantically yours,

    Me

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    • November 16, 2012 at 2:35 am
  16. Profile photo of Duane Oyen Member
    Jeff Shepherd: I think Romney would have been a fine President. Maybe even a really good one considering our current situation. However, this election should have been a walk in the park for republicans and it wasn’t because the top of the ticket couldn’t get out the vote. That’s on Romney the candidate and nobody else. · 1 hour ago

    Oh, baloney. This was neither a “walk in the park” nor was the problem to “get out the vote”. There weren’t 3 million actual Republican voters out there that stayed home. 

    Those who voted in 2004 and didn’t vote for us in 2012 are not “Republican voters.” The sooner we realize that the better. Nor is it a “center-right country” because some people self-characterize their attitudes while still grabbing for free goodies.

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    • November 16, 2012 at 2:41 am
  17. Profile photo of Frank Soto Contributor
    What say the Ricochetti? Are we hopeless in the face of the Santa Claus state? · · 2 hours ago

    Yes.

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    • November 16, 2012 at 2:41 am
  18. Profile photo of Pseudodionysius Member

    “Modern man prognosticates and reads the newspaper.”

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    • November 16, 2012 at 2:44 am
  19. Profile photo of Casey Member

     One, we are fighting for 100 percent of the votes, and secondly, our policies benefit every American who wants to pursue the American dream. Period. No exceptions.”

    YES! This is it! This is how we need to think. This is winning.

    This Santa stuff is nonsense. So is the tactical mumbo jumbo.

    We lost because we played not to lose. We lost because we played scared.

    It is time to play to win.

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    • November 16, 2012 at 2:52 am
  20. Profile photo of Misthiocracy Member
    Albert Arthur: My Facebook friends are saying Romney is racist because of this.

    Forgive the sarcasm but, yeah right, I am like totally sure that this is what finally convinced your Facebook friends that Mitt Romney is racist.

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    • November 16, 2012 at 2:55 am
  21. Profile photo of Edward Smith Inactive

    Thinking on it, were I interested in running in 2016, I would throw some distance between myself and Romney too.

    His comments do reflect the same kind of lack of poise that created the 47% stir.

    That at it was a closed door meeting, and a participant still leaked what was said.

    There are some things you say only when you are in a room with that handful of people you’ve known long enough to know that they understand what “This does not leave this room.” means.

    That’s twice Romney has forgotten this.

    I suspect that there’s a big difference between the kind of trust you can extend and discretion you can expect in business and in politics.

    The next Republican (I seriously doubt that the Republicans and Democrats won’t be the dominant parties in 2016) candidate had better understand this.

    No need to get Nixonian in your paranoia, but a healthy realization of how nasty the game can get is in order.

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    • November 16, 2012 at 2:56 am
  22. Profile photo of Edward Smith Inactive

    You still have Facebook “Friends”?

    I deleted my Facebook Page on 7 November, and I ain’t going back.

    Nothing but Farmville and Flame Wars there.

    Misthiocracy
    Albert Arthur: My Facebook friends are saying Romney is racist because of this.

    Forgive the sarcasm but, yeah right, I am like totallysure that thisis what finallyconvinced your Facebook friends that Mitt Romney is racist. · 0 minutes ago

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    • November 16, 2012 at 2:57 am
  23. Profile photo of Edward Smith Inactive

    My mistake was thinking it would be a walk in the park.

    Too many people cash too many checks with the Statue of Liberty on them for anyone hoping to starting cutting off the flow to even dream of walking in the park.

    Duane Oyen
    Jeff Shepherd: I think Romney would have been a fine President. Maybe even a really good one considering our current situation. However, this election should have been a walk in the park for republicans and it wasn’t because the top of the ticket couldn’t get out the vote. That’s on Romney the candidate and nobody else. · 1 hour ago

    Oh, baloney. This was neither a “walk in the park” nor was the problem to “get out the vote”. There weren’t 3 million actual Republican voters out there that stayed home. 

    Those who voted in 2004 and didn’t vote for us in 2012 are not “Republican voters.” The sooner we realize that the better. Nor is it a “center-right country” because some people self-characterize their attitudes while still grabbing for free goodies. · 16 minutes ago

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    • November 16, 2012 at 3:01 am
  24. Profile photo of Misthiocracy Member
    Frank Soto
    What say the Ricochetti? Are we hopeless in the face of the Santa Claus state?

    Yes.

    Maybe.

    There is an alternate tactic of replacing expensive free goodies with less expensive free goodies.

    Cut a big wasteful programs that achieve nothing and implement little wasteful programs that achieve good news stories in weekly newspapers.

    “Federal government invests $10,000 in local science fair,” on the front page with, “federal government cuts department of education staff by 75%,” on page 3.

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    • November 16, 2012 at 3:01 am
  25. Profile photo of Misthiocracy Member
    Edward Smith: You still have Facebook “Friends”?

    I deleted my Facebook Page on 7 November, and I ain’t going back.

    Nothing but Farmville and Flame Wars there.

    Facebook is where I get most of my news headlines these days. I’ve “liked” virtually every news outlet there is, specifically for this purpose.

    I just think it’s a friendlier interface than Twitter or RSS.

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    • November 16, 2012 at 3:04 am
  26. Profile photo of liberal jim Inactive

    The idea that Obama won because of his “Santa Claus” tactics is ridiculous. Face it the Republican brand is damaged. The Bush years were a disaster and yet no one in the party is willing to admit it. Bush put the economy in the toilet and Obama flushed. All a conservative candidate had to do was run against the Bush/Obama economy, but the Bush political machine would not allow that. Now we have all of this hand wringing. Romney did not have to get even one person who voted for Obama to change his vote, all he had to do is get less than 3% of the people who did not vote to vote for him. He failed to do this partly because of his own obtuseness and partly because of Bush’s legacy. 

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    • November 16, 2012 at 3:05 am
  27. Profile photo of Misthiocracy Member
    Pseudodionysius: “Modern man prognosticates and reads the newspaper.”

    In that order.

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    • November 16, 2012 at 3:05 am
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    Misthiocracy
    Pseudodionysius: “Modern man prognosticates and reads the newspaper.”

    In that order. · 0 minutes ago

    Reading from behind.

    (There should be a Rico mug for the number of idiotic permutations on this theme I’ve written. Perhaps I can get some stimulus dollars?)

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    • November 16, 2012 at 3:07 am
  29. Profile photo of Edward Smith Inactive

    Print this out. I have one framed on the wall above my moniter. They used to sell these replicas to suckers as the real thing. They’re probably worth more than a Federal Reserve $1 Note.

    Bank-of-the-United-States-Replica-1000-Note.jpg

    Pseudodionysius
    Misthiocracy
    Pseudodionysius: “Modern man prognosticates and reads the newspaper.”

    In that order. · 0 minutes ago

    Reading from behind.

    (There should be a Rico mug for the number of idiotic permutations on this theme I’ve written. Perhaps I can get some stimulus dollars?) · 4 minutes ago

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    • November 16, 2012 at 3:17 am
  30. Profile photo of Ansonia Member

    Romney is just stating the obvious. Unless we learn how to show why the gifts cost the people who receive them more in the long run, we’re sunk.

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    • November 16, 2012 at 3:17 am
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