Sarah Palin or Jan Brewer?

 

An outspoken female governor of a western state. Reviled by all of the right people. Attacked in the press. Takes clear stands on controversial issues. Seems to have lots of real brass.

Sarah Palin or Jan Brewer, governor of Arizona?

As Diane notes in a previous post, Sarah Palin is having trouble convincing people that she’d be an “effective” president, whatever that means. Diane and I agree, I think, that one of the things that has hurt Palin’s credibility — at least it has for me — is her abrupt resignation from her post as governor of Alaska.

Being a governor matters. A sitting governor can have a huge amount of influence on the national conversation, and the direction of the country.

So, how about an informal Ricochet poll? Who would be a more effective president, Sarah Palin or Jan Brewer?

My vote: Governor of Arizona Jan Brewer.

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    @heathermc

    Back to “Palin the Quitter” meme. Well, if you look at what the Obama Feds were revving up for Alaska (and Palin), you could see that if Palin cared about Alaska, she had to resign. She has been the prime target for Obama’s political machine. The first thing was to make the polar bear an endangered species. That was a move to cut off the bear’s hunting grounds to any human activity. That is, the north slope, and oil drilling. And it would not have stopped there. Remember that MOST of Alaska is owned and controlled by Federal bureaucracy. This has been Palin’s aim from the beginning: that the State of Alaska take control of more of its land.

    Palin has been attacked both personally and politically. And she just bounces back. I will be so interested to see how ‘her’ candidates do this November!

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    @cdor

    I certainly understand the problem Palin has with having resigned the governorship. It seriously bothers me as well. It is, however, hard not to admit that she has made the absolute most out of the last year since she resigned. There is no way she could have been as influential as Governor of Alaska, as she has been as a free agent. No longer is Palin the newbie hick from Wasilla. Whether it be on Facebook, where she laid down well expressed comments that literally rumbled like thunder on a stormy night, forcing Gibbs or Obama directly and publicly to respond to her, or on the Tea Party campaign trail, where she has become, arguably, the most significant “kingmaker” operating in politics today, Sarah Palin not only has increased her visability, but she has softened her critics as she has gained a vast deal more respect. If she wants it, best not count her out. I might ask, how long was Obama a Senator from Illinois before he started running for President? Isn’t it more outrageous to NOT resign from one office when one starts to run for another. Isn’t that hugely deceitful and dishonest? Go Sarah.

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    @StevenPotter

    I really don’t know enough about Gov. Brewer other than her taking a stand against the Federal Government over the Illegal Immigration kerfuffle. I support her, and Arizona, in that. But that a President doesn’t make for me.

    I like Sarah Palin as an advocate of Conservative ideas, but my opinion is if she became President we’d see Bush Derangement Syndrome 2.0 as Palin Derangement Syndrome. I’d rather she stick to advocating American values, and convincing people that our ideas work.

    Having said that, I’d take Gov. Brewer over Gov. Palin. But both have far better experience as an Executive than the current President.

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    Neither, but if forced to choose. I’d go with Brewer.

    And I must say, Hawaii Governor Linda Lingle’s 2008 GOP convention speech was far more impressive than Palin’s

    And she’s done a pretty good job at the helm in Hawaii, with a legislature full of moonbats.

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    Kenneth: And I must say, Hawaii Governor Linda Lingle’s 2008 GOP convention speech was far more impressive than Palin’s· Aug 31 at 1:21pm

    Do we think anyone has a jump on the 2011 Mama Grizzly Calendar? I also have an idea for a (wholesome, tasteful, respectful) calendar of right-of-center female journalists (presuming we can come up with 12).

    Who’s with me?

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    @tabularasa

    I would not support either as a first choice, especially Brewer (who I know little about except for signing the immigration enforcement bill, with which I agree).

    On balance, however, I would support Palin as in a head-to-head with Governor Brewer.

    In my view, Mitch Daniels, Jebb Bush (though I can’t see him going for it), MItt Romney, and Tim Pawlenty (in some combination) would provide a strong ticket to counterbalance Obama/Biden (the thoughts of Obama/Biden with a second term just brings on a panic attack). Huckabee or Gingrich would be disasters. Palin would be far better than either.

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    @RobLong

    I don’t think anyone can deny Palin’s remarkable ability to pick — and make, in some cases — winners. My guess is, no matter how well the Republicans do in November, she’ll be a big part of their success. But if you read through these comments, what strikes me is that we’re all making fairly cautious and restrained points. Which suggests that, as usual, the left wing media is in for surprise if it expects our side to shoot itself in the foot.

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    Rob Long: I don’t think anyone can deny Palin’s remarkable ability to pick — and make, in some cases — winners. My guess is, no matter how well the Republicans do in November, she’ll be a big part of their success. But if you read through these comments, what strikes me is that we’re all making fairly cautious and restrained points. Which suggests that, as usual, the left wing media is in for surprise if it expects our side to shoot itself in the foot. · Aug 31 at 2:46pm

    In the primaries, maybe.

    But if I were a GOP candidate in the general election, I’d welcome her PAC cash, but sure wouldn’t want her campaigning in my district. Why take a chance of waking up the zombies?

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    Jan by a good bit. She wouldn’t be my first choice and I don’t think either of them has shown themselves to be presidential material–but if one of them could rise to it, I think it would be Jan.

    This is coming from someone who was excited by the Palin pick–and enjoyed watching the way that it gathered excitement around a campaign that was as dead as Dole’s had been some years ago. I like Palin in that she really does have a talent for driving the left to some serious distraction, but I wouldn’t vote Palin for president under most circumstances.

    As a power broker and an agitator, though, Palin is dream.

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    @DavidSchmitt

    Oh, I suppose we must get this first-female-President thing out of our system the same way we seem to have had to get the first-black-President thing out of our system. (I hope we can survive these silly, symbolic indulgences.) In the case of the first black President, America deserved a good black President. I wish all children–especially black children–could have looked up to him without having to hear the qualifications from conservatives–or soon–from the Democrats too. Regarding Brewer, I am very curious to learn more about her. She does have courage in an area that I consider extremely important: illegal immigration. It is an issue with broadly important philosophical implications regarding free markets operating in and between sovereign political entities (viz., nations)–not the reverse. Individual rights to life, liberty and property may be God-given rights, but the protection of these rights cannot be guaranteed beyond the borders marked by the trust and the blood of one’s fellow citizens. Individual prosperity derives from a debt to one’s countrymen that can never be fully paid. Protecting their political and economic opportunity is a good first installment. On this, “Go Jan!”

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    @EJHill

    Right now, Jan is “Her Accidency,” having ascended to the Governor’s Mansion because Big Sis Napolitano went to Washington. She must win first.

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    @MichaelTee
    David Jones:I like Palin in that she really does have a talent for driving the left to some serious distraction, but I wouldn’t vote Palin for president under most circumstances.

    This is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Palin against four more years of Obama? Palin against Hillary? Palin against Biden?

    Say what you want about the Chicago (and “journalistic”) Machine taking down Palin, but I would have Jim Malone on my team and stick to my guns.

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    @PatrickShanahan

    Brewer.

    Palin is much cuter and more likable. But if that is what it took to be President I’d run myself :–)

    Brewer has a steel spine, and that counts for a lot. Palin may as well, but because she bailed on governing we may never really know.

    Executive leadership is a tricky and mysterious quality. I suspect Palin is better serving us as a cheerleader (no slight implied) for conservatism. A very important role. Get the troops moving. But it takes a different set of talents to implement policy in the snakepit that is Washington. From what I have seen, Brewer exhibits those talents more than Palin.

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    @HumzaAhmad

    Brewer.

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    @EJHill
    Michael Tee This is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Palin against four more years of Obama?

    Politics has to be more than the lesser of of two evils.

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    @Metalheaddoc

    Palin for me. I dig her guts and her attitude. I don’t really care if she “quit” her prior job. Not a deal breaker for me. I don’t think she will give in on conservative principles. I think she will have power because she could walk away from the Presidency and lead a full happy life without it. She doesn’t “need” it like Clinton or Obama. She doesn’t seem like a power addict (Obama) or an approval addict (Clinton). She won’t play for a “legacy”. She won’t give in to be liked by the DC cocktail circuit.

    I like Pawlenty, although I don’t know much about him. I get a good vibe off him.

    Huckabee, not a big fan. That prisoner release leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

    Romney. No way. If he gets the nod, I am staying home. He is the epitome of a go along to get along RINO. He is a a big government technocrat. Romneycare anyone? He will be one of those “reach across the aisle” capitulators. A collaborator with the big Left Euro-socialists.

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    @CaseyTaylor

    To add to heathermc #4, Alaska also has a quirky little law which prohibits the Governor from using state attorneys or state funds to defend against lawsuits while in office. All of those lefty hit-groups stacking ethics suits against Palin knew that full well, and they almost bankrupted her family. When she and her attorneys figured out a way to take in donations in order to keep the fight up, she got sued yet again because the solicitation letter ‘could be construed’ as coming from the Office of the Governor, and she was prohibited by the court from using that money to pay her attorneys. She couldn’t win for losing, and I don’t think anybody here would’ve done anything different.

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    @MichaelTee
    EJHill

    Michael Tee This is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Palin against four more years of Obama?

    Politics has to be more than the lesser of of two evils. · Aug 31 at 5:39pm

    William F. Buckley Jr. advocated voting for the rightmost candidate. He also said “Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.”

    My point stands.

    And, I’d like to point out that “the lesser of two evils” is an easy excuse for a squish who doesn’t hold their convictions well enough to understand who and what they are voting for.

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    @JonathanMatthewGilbert

    More effective President? Palin. She’s already been through the fire and has held up pretty well over the past two years. Brewer, God love her, is just getting started and I don’t believe she actually wants the job. I’ve always sort of felt that anyone who DOES should automatically be disqualified, but I think we’re experiencing right now how damaging it can be to have someone in the office who has more than a little ambivalence towards the actual acts of governing. Palin wants to change things, she has a track record of accomplishing her goals, and even though I still think resigning wasn’t the smartest choice she could have made…she’s doing pretty well, all things considered. In both cases though, smarter women and men than me have said that just because she’s not prepared to handle the presidency today…doesn’t mean she won’t be tomorrow. January 20th, 2013 is an awful lot of tomorrows away.

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    @Bulldawg

    You know, I’d really like a president who is essentially irrelevant to my life 90 percent of the time as was the case for most of our country’s history. However, I don’t know much about Brewer yet but Palin has been vetted about as good as any one could be. Palin certainly would be nice to look at.

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    @CaseyTaylor

    Hear, hear! Nice to look at, and leaves me alone. Story of my life, I tell ya.

    Red and Black, drop me a line if you’re ever up Blairsville way.

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    Michael Tee

    This is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Palin against four more years of Obama? Palin against Hillary? Palin against Biden?

    If she is the GOP presidential candidate, there is a chance that I would vote for her depending on who was on the other side of that equation (the threat of another four years of Obama might get me to vote for Hucakabee–and, trust me, that’s a big stretch).

    But I won’t vote for her in the primaries and I won’t support her in the primaries. There are better options out there for the GOP and for the country and I would prefer that I be voting for the best candidate instead of just voting for the Republican candidate.

    As EJHill said, it has to be about more than the lesser of two evils.

    I don’t think that Palin is “evil,” of course, but I do believe that she is wrong for the presidency.

    Again: I’m not a Palin hater. I appreciate what she is doing for conservatives and I like her. I don’t want to have to make that choice at the ballot box, though.

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    @heathermc

    I have had long arguments, and plenty of razzing for my being a member of Team Sarah. When she joined McCain, I was one of those people who almost cried (no, I didn’t actually, I’m Scottish). But put this on your calender, people: Palin will be the next President of the US of A!!!!

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    Amen…

    Look folks, I defend her from attacks and I love when she asks if that “hopey changey thing is working out for ya”?????

    But she couldn’t win anything outside the south. Obama dreams of running against her…

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    Jan Brewer is an effective leader.

    Sarah Palin is an effective cheerleader.

    Continue deploying both according to their foremost strengths.

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    @WhiskeySam

    Brewer for the same reason you’ve touched on here.

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    Jan.

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    @user_19450

    Brewer.

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    @Caryn

    Palin was my governor and was widely admired and very effective. Before McCain ruined her reputation, she had approvals in the state in the high 80 to low 90 percents. Casey Taylor very nicely explained a good reason for her resignation that should effectively remove the “quitter” designation.

    Brewer, I just don’t know much about. Sarah was good at her job and is very smart. The folksie think is occasionally cringe-worthy, but she has very good instincts. I am afraid that the McCain campaign served her poorly in introducing her to the country and that’s an albatross she’ll have around her neck for a long time, perhaps permanently.

    I’d like to see Jeb Bush, maybe with Palin as VP. And John Bolton as Sec State and Victor Davis Hanson as Sec Defense. A girl can dream, can’t she?

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