Upscale Residents Protest as Biden Converts Scottsdale Hotel into ICE Detention Center

 

The precinct for Scottsdale’s Homewood Suites voted for Joe Biden, 51% to 47%. Today, this upscale Arizona neighborhood regrets its decision.

Two hundred residents protested Saturday after ICE took over the recently closed hotel to house more than 1,200 illegal immigrants. No public input was requested, not even from the Scottsdale Police Department, which was notified of the decision a day before migrants were transferred.

Government usually detains the undocumented in poorer neighborhoods where they’re more easily ignored by the media. But this zip code has nearly three times the state’s median income, making it harder to hide the ongoing border crisis.

“Over the Memorial Day Weekend, we were notified about the hotel and the illegals that were moved in under the cover of darkness without any kind of consultation from the local community,” protestor Lisa Seger said.

“My wife and I drove by last night and sure enough, they have armed guards and we have pictures taken by other homeowners unloading buses with people with backpacks into the facility,” said resident Geoff Gunsalus. “So we’re concerned that none of us have been put on notice. There was no due process.”

Angry neighbors soon learned their city government has no legal authority to override ICE’s decision. The facility is closed to the public and local journalists were denied entry.

Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich wants to get to the bottom of it. “The President is using Arizona as an experiment with his reckless border policies,” the elected Republican said. “I will continue to stand up for Arizonans and do everything I can to stop the Biden Administration’s attempt to abolish ICE. All of us will pay the price, not only with our tax dollars, but also with our national security, and the safety of our families.”

He demanded DHS provide details about the process, if migrants are being screened for diseases and criminal records, and cost to the taxpayer.

When the border is protected and the problem unseen, it’s easy to support lax enforcement and vague promises of “compassion.” Last fall, the Biden sticker on your Tesla earned approving nods from neighbors and you rest assured that you were on the side of the angels. Nine months later, you’re on a 108-degree sidewalk screaming “NIMBY!” and wondering why Democrats smirk as they drive by.

Politics is funny that way.

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  1. Gary Robbins Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I think this is a pretty good summary of what you have to deal with if you are against the Trump wing. It’s pretty hard to deny that this is where we are.

    The six elements or factions outlined above have much in common, but are far from monolithic. The Catholics and Border Hawks have some issues, the Anti-Identitarians and the Fringe are not always on the same page, but there is now emerging a common enemy, and nothing else accommodates strange bedfellows quite so snugly. That enemy is of course major corporations who are fast becoming the source of illiberal change in our society much more quickly than any wholly political force ever could.

    The Anti-Media is the sworn enemy of the corporate media, the Border Hawks fight the corporate addiction to cheap labor and free trade, the Catholics decry the decadence and cheap sexuality of the corporate world, the Anti-Identitarians see corporations adopting the illiberal agenda of critical race and gender theory, the Fringe faces an existential threat of being banned from platforms, and the Torch Bearers see in unbridled corporatism the foil for their political ambition.

    The time for conservative deciding has passed. The decision has been made and the American conservative movement is now a populist, nationalist, Reform Party minded body.

    If so, it is time for the Republican Party to go the way of the Whigs, the Know-Nothing’s, the Progressive Party and the Socialist-Workers.  They were once viable parties, and they are all now long dead.  I wouldn’t vote for a populist, nor would Reagan.  And Reagan lauded immigrants.  We can be the winning party of Reagan, or we can keep losing with Trump.

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  2. Judge Mental Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Here is a battle that Arizona residents should begin to focus on now. Mark Kelly will be running to return to the Senate in 2022. The Republican Party needs to find a candidate that will not make the pilgrimage to Cindy McCain’s front door for a blessing in this election. Tie Mark Kelly to Biden’s border debacle, as well as his wife’s anti-gun rights organization, and for goodness sake try to find someone that is a good campaigner, and try to end the stand-alone campaigns that have damaged the Republican Party in the last ten or so years.

    Let me lay down a marker.

    I truly hope that I can vote for the Republican for Senate this time. In 2018, I voted for Republican Martha McSally over Kyrsten Sinema. But, in 2020, Martha McSally had gotten so Trumpy, I could not vote for her, and I held my nose while voting for Mark Kelly. If we nominate Andy Biggs, Paul Gosar or Kelli Ward, I will again be forced to vote for Democrat Mark Kelly. But if we nominate a Republican like Arizona Governor Doug Ducey, I will happily vote for him over Mark Kelly. The choice is stark.

    A vote for a Trumpy Republican in the primary is a vote for Mark Kelly in the general election.

    Would you take the time to review your political instincts with reality? A little introspection and self awareness would be a good thing as wrong as you consistently are.

    The Arizona audit is ongoing and will reveal democrat cheating. Boo!

    Well the Arizona Audit has been at it for months and so far hasn’t found announced anything. The Dems will likely take the legislature after this waste of time and money.

    FIFY

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  3. Judge Mental Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I think this is a pretty good summary of what you have to deal with if you are against the Trump wing. It’s pretty hard to deny that this is where we are.

    The six elements or factions outlined above have much in common, but are far from monolithic. The Catholics and Border Hawks have some issues, the Anti-Identitarians and the Fringe are not always on the same page, but there is now emerging a common enemy, and nothing else accommodates strange bedfellows quite so snugly. That enemy is of course major corporations who are fast becoming the source of illiberal change in our society much more quickly than any wholly political force ever could.

    The Anti-Media is the sworn enemy of the corporate media, the Border Hawks fight the corporate addiction to cheap labor and free trade, the Catholics decry the decadence and cheap sexuality of the corporate world, the Anti-Identitarians see corporations adopting the illiberal agenda of critical race and gender theory, the Fringe faces an existential threat of being banned from platforms, and the Torch Bearers see in unbridled corporatism the foil for their political ambition.

    The time for conservative deciding has passed. The decision has been made and the American conservative movement is now a populist, nationalist, Reform Party minded body.

    If so, it is time for the Republican Party to go the way of the Whigs, the Know-Nothing’s, the Progressive Party and the Socialist-Workers. They were once viable parties, and they are all now long dead. I wouldn’t vote for a populist, nor would Reagan. And Reagan lauded immigrants. We can be the winning party of Reagan, or we can keep losing with Trump.

    Reagan is dead.

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I think this is a pretty good summary of what you have to deal with if you are against the Trump wing. It’s pretty hard to deny that this is where we are.

    The six elements or factions outlined above have much in common, but are far from monolithic. The Catholics and Border Hawks have some issues, the Anti-Identitarians and the Fringe are not always on the same page, but there is now emerging a common enemy, and nothing else accommodates strange bedfellows quite so snugly. That enemy is of course major corporations who are fast becoming the source of illiberal change in our society much more quickly than any wholly political force ever could.

    The Anti-Media is the sworn enemy of the corporate media, the Border Hawks fight the corporate addiction to cheap labor and free trade, the Catholics decry the decadence and cheap sexuality of the corporate world, the Anti-Identitarians see corporations adopting the illiberal agenda of critical race and gender theory, the Fringe faces an existential threat of being banned from platforms, and the Torch Bearers see in unbridled corporatism the foil for their political ambition.

    The time for conservative deciding has passed. The decision has been made and the American conservative movement is now a populist, nationalist, Reform Party minded body.

    If so, it is time for the Republican Party to go the way of the Whigs, the Know-Nothing’s, the Progressive Party and the Socialist-Workers. They were once viable parties, and they are all now long dead. I wouldn’t vote for a populist, nor would Reagan. And Reagan lauded immigrants. We can be the winning party of Reagan, or we can keep losing with Trump.

    Reagan is dead.

    And, Reagan was a populist.

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  5. RufusRJones Member
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    This is the lay of the land except for some of the cultural issues. Act accordingly. Just to be clear, this guys solutions are more statist, but no Democrat thinks like this at all. I think his main deal is, he’s trying to preserve our inflationist system so we can be the unilateral power in the world. It actually makes a lot of sense, but I’m not sure we are smart enough and honest enough to pull this off. He even admits nobody is going to do anything intelligent about it until after there is a big economic collapse. 

     

     

     

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    This is the lay of the land except for some of the cultural issues. Act accordingly. Just to be clear, this guys solutions are more statist, but no Democrat thinks like this at all. I think his main deal is, he’s trying to preserve our inflationist system so we can be the unilateral power in the world. It actually makes a lot of sense, but I’m not sure we are smart enough and honest enough to pull this off. He even admits nobody is going to do anything intelligent about it until after there is a big economic collapse.

    And the first people who try will still probably get voted out of office.

     

     

     

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  7. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    This is the lay of the land except for some of the cultural issues. Act accordingly. Just to be clear, this guys solutions are more statist, but no Democrat thinks like this at all. I think his main deal is, he’s trying to preserve our inflationist system so we can be the unilateral power in the world. It actually makes a lot of sense, but I’m not sure we are smart enough and honest enough to pull this off. He even admits nobody is going to do anything intelligent about it until after there is a big economic collapse.

    And the first people who try will still probably get voted out of office.

     

     

     

    This is why everybody needs to listen to those long interviews of Steve Bannon on Frontline. 

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    This is the lay of the land except for some of the cultural issues. Act accordingly. Just to be clear, this guys solutions are more statist, but no Democrat thinks like this at all. I think his main deal is, he’s trying to preserve our inflationist system so we can be the unilateral power in the world. It actually makes a lot of sense, but I’m not sure we are smart enough and honest enough to pull this off. He even admits nobody is going to do anything intelligent about it until after there is a big economic collapse.

    And the first people who try will still probably get voted out of office.

     

     

     

    This is why everybody needs to listen to those long interviews of Steve Bannon on Frontline.

    I don’t need to, everyone else does.

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    This is the lay of the land except for some of the cultural issues. Act accordingly. Just to be clear, this guys solutions are more statist, but no Democrat thinks like this at all. I think his main deal is, he’s trying to preserve our inflationist system so we can be the unilateral power in the world. It actually makes a lot of sense, but I’m not sure we are smart enough and honest enough to pull this off. He even admits nobody is going to do anything intelligent about it until after there is a big economic collapse.

    And the first people who try will still probably get voted out of office.

     

     

     

    This is why everybody needs to listen to those long interviews of Steve Bannon on Frontline.

    I don’t need to, everyone else does.

    Yes you do.

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  10. Gary Robbins Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I think this is a pretty good summary of what you have to deal with if you are against the Trump wing. It’s pretty hard to deny that this is where we are.

    The six elements or factions outlined above have much in common, but are far from monolithic. The Catholics and Border Hawks have some issues, the Anti-Identitarians and the Fringe are not always on the same page, but there is now emerging a common enemy, and nothing else accommodates strange bedfellows quite so snugly. That enemy is of course major corporations who are fast becoming the source of illiberal change in our society much more quickly than any wholly political force ever could.

    The Anti-Media is the sworn enemy of the corporate media, the Border Hawks fight the corporate addiction to cheap labor and free trade, the Catholics decry the decadence and cheap sexuality of the corporate world, the Anti-Identitarians see corporations adopting the illiberal agenda of critical race and gender theory, the Fringe faces an existential threat of being banned from platforms, and the Torch Bearers see in unbridled corporatism the foil for their political ambition.

    The time for conservative deciding has passed. The decision has been made and the American conservative movement is now a populist, nationalist, Reform Party minded body.

    If so, it is time for the Republican Party to go the way of the Whigs, the Know-Nothing’s, the Progressive Party and the Socialist-Workers. They were once viable parties, and they are all now long dead. I wouldn’t vote for a populist, nor would Reagan. And Reagan lauded immigrants. We can be the winning party of Reagan, or we can keep losing with Trump.

    Reagan is dead.

    And, Reagan was a populist.

    Gosh, I don’t remember Reagan throwing money around which is what populist do.  I do remember Reagan cutting taxes from 70% to 50% to 28%.

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  11. JamesSalerno Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I think this is a pretty good summary of what you have to deal with if you are against the Trump wing. It’s pretty hard to deny that this is where we are.

    The six elements or factions outlined above have much in common, but are far from monolithic. The Catholics and Border Hawks have some issues, the Anti-Identitarians and the Fringe are not always on the same page, but there is now emerging a common enemy, and nothing else accommodates strange bedfellows quite so snugly. That enemy is of course major corporations who are fast becoming the source of illiberal change in our society much more quickly than any wholly political force ever could.

    The Anti-Media is the sworn enemy of the corporate media, the Border Hawks fight the corporate addiction to cheap labor and free trade, the Catholics decry the decadence and cheap sexuality of the corporate world, the Anti-Identitarians see corporations adopting the illiberal agenda of critical race and gender theory, the Fringe faces an existential threat of being banned from platforms, and the Torch Bearers see in unbridled corporatism the foil for their political ambition.

    The time for conservative deciding has passed. The decision has been made and the American conservative movement is now a populist, nationalist, Reform Party minded body.

    If so, it is time for the Republican Party to go the way of the Whigs, the Know-Nothing’s, the Progressive Party and the Socialist-Workers. They were once viable parties, and they are all now long dead. I wouldn’t vote for a populist, nor would Reagan. And Reagan lauded immigrants. We can be the winning party of Reagan, or we can keep losing with Trump.

    Reagan is dead.

    And, Reagan was a populist.

    Gosh, I don’t remember Reagan throwing money around which is what populist do. I do remember Reagan cutting taxes from 70% to 50% to 28%.

    You can be a populist by spending a lot or be a populist by cutting spending, spending is not relevant to the definition of populism. And whether you place the blame on him or not, spending went way up under Reagan.

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  12. Columbo Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Here is a battle that Arizona residents should begin to focus on now. Mark Kelly will be running to return to the Senate in 2022. The Republican Party needs to find a candidate that will not make the pilgrimage to Cindy McCain’s front door for a blessing in this election. Tie Mark Kelly to Biden’s border debacle, as well as his wife’s anti-gun rights organization, and for goodness sake try to find someone that is a good campaigner, and try to end the stand-alone campaigns that have damaged the Republican Party in the last ten or so years.

    Let me lay down a marker.

    I truly hope that I can vote for the Republican for Senate this time. In 2018, I voted for Republican Martha McSally over Kyrsten Sinema. But, in 2020, Martha McSally had gotten so Trumpy, I could not vote for her, and I held my nose while voting for Mark Kelly. If we nominate Andy Biggs, Paul Gosar or Kelli Ward, I will again be forced to vote for Democrat Mark Kelly. But if we nominate a Republican like Arizona Governor Doug Ducey, I will happily vote for him over Mark Kelly. The choice is stark.

    A vote for a Trumpy Republican in the primary is a vote for Mark Kelly in the general election.

    Would you take the time to review your political instincts with reality? A little introspection and self awareness would be a good thing as wrong as you consistently are.

    The Arizona audit is ongoing and will reveal democrat cheating. Boo!

    Well the Arizona Audit has been at it for months and so far hasn’t found anything. The Dems will likely take the legislature after this waste of time and money.

    Bookmark.

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  13. Gary Robbins Member
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    JamesSalerno (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I think this is a pretty good summary of what you have to deal with if you are against the Trump wing. It’s pretty hard to deny that this is where we are.

    The six elements or factions outlined above have much in common, but are far from monolithic. The Catholics and Border Hawks have some issues, the Anti-Identitarians and the Fringe are not always on the same page, but there is now emerging a common enemy, and nothing else accommodates strange bedfellows quite so snugly. That enemy is of course major corporations who are fast becoming the source of illiberal change in our society much more quickly than any wholly political force ever could.

    The Anti-Media is the sworn enemy of the corporate media, the Border Hawks fight the corporate addiction to cheap labor and free trade, the Catholics decry the decadence and cheap sexuality of the corporate world, the Anti-Identitarians see corporations adopting the illiberal agenda of critical race and gender theory, the Fringe faces an existential threat of being banned from platforms, and the Torch Bearers see in unbridled corporatism the foil for their political ambition.

    The time for conservative deciding has passed. The decision has been made and the American conservative movement is now a populist, nationalist, Reform Party minded body.

    If so, it is time for the Republican Party to go the way of the Whigs, the Know-Nothing’s, the Progressive Party and the Socialist-Workers. They were once viable parties, and they are all now long dead. I wouldn’t vote for a populist, nor would Reagan. And Reagan lauded immigrants. We can be the winning party of Reagan, or we can keep losing with Trump.

    Reagan is dead.

    And, Reagan was a populist.

    Gosh, I don’t remember Reagan throwing money around which is what populist do. I do remember Reagan cutting taxes from 70% to 50% to 28%.

    You can be a populist by spending a lot or be a populist by cutting spending, spending is not relevant to the definition of populism. And whether you place the blame on him or not, spending went way up under Reagan.

    JamesSalerno (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I think this is a pretty good summary of what you have to deal with if you are against the Trump wing. It’s pretty hard to deny that this is where we are.

    The six elements or factions outlined above have much in common, but are far from monolithic. The Catholics and Border Hawks have some issues, the Anti-Identitarians and the Fringe are not always on the same page, but there is now emerging a common enemy, and nothing else accommodates strange bedfellows quite so snugly. That enemy is of course major corporations who are fast becoming the source of illiberal change in our society much more quickly than any wholly political force ever could.

    The Anti-Media is the sworn enemy of the corporate media, the Border Hawks fight the corporate addiction to cheap labor and free trade, the Catholics decry the decadence and cheap sexuality of the corporate world, the Anti-Identitarians see corporations adopting the illiberal agenda of critical race and gender theory, the Fringe faces an existential threat of being banned from platforms, and the Torch Bearers see in unbridled corporatism the foil for their political ambition.

    The time for conservative deciding has passed. The decision has been made and the American conservative movement is now a populist, nationalist, Reform Party minded body.

    If so, it is time for the Republican Party to go the way of the Whigs, the Know-Nothing’s, the Progressive Party and the Socialist-Workers. They were once viable parties, and they are all now long dead. I wouldn’t vote for a populist, nor would Reagan. And Reagan lauded immigrants. We can be the winning party of Reagan, or we can keep losing with Trump.

    Reagan is dead.

    And, Reagan was a populist.

    Gosh, I don’t remember Reagan throwing money around which is what populist do. I do remember Reagan cutting taxes from 70% to 50% to 28%.

    You can be a populist by spending a lot or be a populist by cutting spending, spending is not relevant to the definition of populism. And whether you place the blame on him or not, spending went way up under Reagan.

    Reagan did his best to restrain domestic spending, but he increased defense spending to win the Cold War without firing a shot.

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  14. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

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    Percival (View Comment):

    They voted for this and now they’re going to get it.

    Good and hard.

    The Illinois General Assembly passed a bill which will close all the state’s ICE facilities. Now we have a place to send our detainees.

    Good luck with trying to close Federal facilities. Your state has no lawful authority over a US Post Office, Federal Court, Federal Office building, much less ICE facilities. State troopers, Sheriff, and police officers have no lawful authority on Federal properties unless they are authorized to do so by the Fed’s.

    During my time as a sworn police officer in an Oregon I had lawful authority in any county in the state, city, or town, with the exception of federal facilities of any type, and on Tribal Lands, as they are considered Federal Reservations.

    Those power lines don’t run on federal territory. Neither do the water and sewer lines. It depends on how bloodyminded the local authorities want to get.

    Actually they do. The city of Scottsdale is on the PIMA Indian reservation, with a 100 year lease or something like that. So, those power lines, water lines, sewer lines, DO run on federal territory, technically. Maybe that’s why Biden chose it?

    One wonders if the Feds are paying going rates for the rooms?  Also, wonder if they are using the Mayo Clinic Scottsdale to provide healthcare to the illegals? It’s just up the street. 

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  15. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    Do they accrue Hilton points for their stay?

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  16. Gary Robbins Member
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    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Illiniguy (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    They voted for this and now they’re going to get it.

    Good and hard.

    The Illinois General Assembly passed a bill which will close all the state’s ICE facilities. Now we have a place to send our detainees.

    Good luck with trying to close Federal facilities. Your state has no lawful authority over a US Post Office, Federal Court, Federal Office building, much less ICE facilities. State troopers, Sheriff, and police officers have no lawful authority on Federal properties unless they are authorized to do so by the Fed’s.

    During my time as a sworn police officer in an Oregon I had lawful authority in any county in the state, city, or town, with the exception of federal facilities of any type, and on Tribal Lands, as they are considered Federal Reservations.

    Those power lines don’t run on federal territory. Neither do the water and sewer lines. It depends on how bloodyminded the local authorities want to get.

    Actually they do. The city of Scottsdale is on the PIMA Indian reservation, with a 100 year lease or something like that. So, those power lines, water lines, sewer lines, DO run on federal territory, technically. Maybe that’s why Biden chose it?

    One wonders if the Feds are paying going rates for the rooms? Also, wonder if they are using the Mayo Clinic Scottsdale to provide healthcare to the illegals? It’s just up the street.

    I believe that you are factually wrong.  I grew up in Scottsdale.  The only portion of Scottsdale on tribal lands was Pima Road itself, which is two miles east of Scottsdale Road, which was closed to traffic during a dispute with the tribe in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s, until Scottsdale entered into an agreement with the tribe.  Decades later, the Arizona Department of Transportation entered into an agreement to locate AZ 101 solely on tribal land, and if memory serves, use and/or ownership of Pima Road went with it.  I categorically dispute that the Pima Indians have title to any of Scottsdale.  If you can prove to the contrary please provide documentation of your claim.

    There is one exception to my assertion which is a square mile in the South Scottsdale and North Tempe area around McKellips Road.  However, this section of land is far away from North Scottsdale.

    One other point.  When AZ 202, the South Mountain Freeway, was being built there were great hopes that like the Pima Freeway, it could be built on tribal land on the edge of the Gila River reservation.  That was not to be.  A bunch of homes were demolished while tribal farm lands were untouched.  The State of Arizona was forced to slice through a hillside, when what would have made sense would have been to skirt around it.  However, fundamentally, the State of Arizona cannot use eminent domain to seize tribal land.

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  17. JimGoneWild Coolidge
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    Now who would want to stay at that hotel after it was a prison?

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  18. JimGoneWild Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    And whether you place the blame on him or not, spending went way up under Reagan.

    All his departments came in every year on budget. It was Congressional discretionary spending that blew a hole through the budgets.

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  19. RufusRJones Member
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    JimGoneWild (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    And whether you place the blame on him or not, spending went way up under Reagan.

    All his departments came in every year on budget. It was Congressional discretionary spending that blew a hole through the budgets.

    ***The  quote function is not working right here*** 

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  20. Old Bathos Member
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    I think that with Reagan’s first budget (remember the “taken to the woodshed” stuff about David Stockman’s dissent) the GOP insisted on more defense spending and refused to raise taxes, the Dems (majority in the House but not the Senate) refused any cuts in entitlements or domestic spending.  It was assumed that this was to be a game of chicken in which deficits would rise and somehow become painful.  Then one or both sides would have to cave on spending and/or taxes.  But big deficits did not seem to matter and economic growth without inflation increased government revenues and made the annual deficit smaller than expected.  Since that time both parties have been largely indifferent to deficits except as an occasional rhetorical tool where they pretend to believe that the other party is ruining us with spending/tax cuts.

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  21. RufusRJones Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    Since that time both parties have been largely indifferent to deficits except as an occasional rhetorical tool where they pretend to believe that the other party is ruining us with spending/tax cuts.

    Act accordingly. 

     

     

     

     

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  22. Tedley Member
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    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    What if a real Governor sent his National Guard in and detained all ICE agents, followed by busses to buss the invaders to the other side of the boarder ? Then release said agents with a nasty message for their boss.

    It wouldn’t even take any shooting.  Tanks and up-armored HMMWVs with heavy weapons would make the point that these federal personnel have no authority there anymore.

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  23. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Illiniguy (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    They voted for this and now they’re going to get it.

    Good and hard.

    The Illinois General Assembly passed a bill which will close all the state’s ICE facilities. Now we have a place to send our detainees.

    Good luck with trying to close Federal facilities. Your state has no lawful authority over a US Post Office, Federal Court, Federal Office building, much less ICE facilities. State troopers, Sheriff, and police officers have no lawful authority on Federal properties unless they are authorized to do so by the Fed’s.

    During my time as a sworn police officer in an Oregon I had lawful authority in any county in the state, city, or town, with the exception of federal facilities of any type, and on Tribal Lands, as they are considered Federal Reservations.

    Those power lines don’t run on federal territory. Neither do the water and sewer lines. It depends on how bloodyminded the local authorities want to get.

    Actually they do. The city of Scottsdale is on the PIMA Indian reservation, with a 100 year lease or something like that. So, those power lines, water lines, sewer lines, DO run on federal territory, technically. Maybe that’s why Biden chose it?

    One wonders if the Feds are paying going rates for the rooms? Also, wonder if they are using the Mayo Clinic Scottsdale to provide healthcare to the illegals? It’s just up the street.

    I believe that you are factually wrong. I grew up in Scottsdale. The only portion of Scottsdale on tribal lands was Pima Road itself, which is two miles east of Scottsdale Road, which was closed to traffic during a dispute with the tribe in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s, until Scottsdale entered into an agreement with the tribe. Decades later, the Arizona Department of Transportation entered into an agreement to locate AZ 101 solely on tribal land, and if memory serves, use and/or ownership of Pima Road went with it. I categorically dispute that the Pima Indians have title to any of Scottsdale. If you can prove to the contrary please provide documentation of your claim.

    I bought a home in about 1986 off Shea Blvd, close to the Mayo Clinic Scottsdale (which was under development at the time). My recollection is that the real estate papers specified that the home was on Pima reservation land under a 100 year lease. The real estate agents (perhaps to close the sale of the property) indicated that any property we bought would be under the same conditions. I had a job at the Scottsdale Clinic (aka the Piper Clinic). I sold the house and left the city about a year and a half later when the Clinic became insolvent (due to the Mayo Clinic competition). I no longer have the papers, so can’t substantiate my claim.

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  24. The Reticulator Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    I think that with Reagan’s first budget (remember the “taken to the woodshed” stuff about David Stockman’s dissent) the GOP insisted on more defense spending and refused to raise taxes, the Dems (majority in the House but not the Senate) refused any cuts in entitlements or domestic spending. It was assumed that this was to be a game of chicken in which deficits would rise and somehow become painful. Then one or both sides would have to cave on spending and/or taxes. But big deficits did not seem to matter and economic growth without inflation increased government revenues and made the annual deficit smaller than expected. Since that time both parties have been largely indifferent to deficits except as an occasional rhetorical tool where they pretend to believe that the other party is ruining us with spending/tax cuts.

    That sounds about the way I remember it.  I’m trying to remember how many of Reagan’s budgets were declared Dead on Arrival by the media/Democrats.  Probably eight of them.  

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  25. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Illiniguy (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    They voted for this and now they’re going to get it.

    Good and hard.

    The Illinois General Assembly passed a bill which will close all the state’s ICE facilities. Now we have a place to send our detainees.

    Good luck with trying to close Federal facilities. Your state has no lawful authority over a US Post Office, Federal Court, Federal Office building, much less ICE facilities. State troopers, Sheriff, and police officers have no lawful authority on Federal properties unless they are authorized to do so by the Fed’s.

    During my time as a sworn police officer in an Oregon I had lawful authority in any county in the state, city, or town, with the exception of federal facilities of any type, and on Tribal Lands, as they are considered Federal Reservations.

    Those power lines don’t run on federal territory. Neither do the water and sewer lines. It depends on how bloodyminded the local authorities want to get.

    Actually they do. The city of Scottsdale is on the PIMA Indian reservation, with a 100 year lease or something like that. So, those power lines, water lines, sewer lines, DO run on federal territory, technically. Maybe that’s why Biden chose it?

    One wonders if the Feds are paying going rates for the rooms? Also, wonder if they are using the Mayo Clinic Scottsdale to provide healthcare to the illegals? It’s just up the street.

    I believe that you are factually wrong. I grew up in Scottsdale. The only portion of Scottsdale on tribal lands was Pima Road itself, which is two miles east of Scottsdale Road, which was closed to traffic during a dispute with the tribe in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s, until Scottsdale entered into an agreement with the tribe. Decades later, the Arizona Department of Transportation entered into an agreement to locate AZ 101 solely on tribal land, and if memory serves, use and/or ownership of Pima Road went with it. I categorically dispute that the Pima Indians have title to any of Scottsdale. If you can prove to the contrary please provide documentation of your claim.

    There is one exception to my assertion which is a square mile in the South Scottsdale and North Tempe area around McKellips Road. However, this section of land is far away from North Scottsdale.

     

    I checked with my wife, who worked in real estate when we lived in Scottsdale for a brief period. And, whose memory is much better than mine. And, indeed, she confirmed exactly what you say. The house we bought was NOT on Pima land, off Shea Blvd (Estrella) about a mile from the Mayo Clinic. The city of Scottsdale is NOT on the  Pima reservation. Only a couple of small enclaves as you describe are affected.  She  thoroughly enjoyed informing me of how wrong I was.

     

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  26. The Reticulator Member
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    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):
    I checked with my wife, who worked in real estate when we lived in Scottsdale for a brief period. And, whose memory is much better than mine. And, indeed, she confirmed exactly what you say. The house we bought was NOT on Pima land, off Shea Blvd (Estrella) about a mile from the Mayo Clinic. The city of Scottsdale is NOT on the  Pima reservation. Only a couple of small enclaves as you describe are affected.  She  thoroughly enjoyed informing me of how wrong I was.

    Mayo Clinic in Arizona?  Well, it figures. Here in Michigan older people tend to winter in Florida. The people we know back in Minnesota tend to winter in Arizona.  (I got to thinking about the difference when we former Minnesotans, now living in Michigan, started to spend parts of our winters in Texas.)

    But now I looked it up to be sure, and it seems that the Mayo Clinic does both.

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