A Letter to My Gay Friends

 

June is widely recognized as “Pride Month,” and I’m sure we’ll see lots of reminders of that over the next few weeks. Most people aren’t aware that the Pride movement was inspired by, and is in part to commemorate, a specific series of events, the Stonewall Riots in New York City in 1969.

Like members of many other minority groups in American history, homosexual men and women faced discrimination, both legal and cultural, that was overcome only slowly and often at great personal cost. But it was overcome: today people who experience same-sex attraction have the same rights as heterosexuals and enjoy widespread public acceptance.

While the acronym “LGBT” (often with additional letters appended) is now ubiquitous, some in the gay community recognize, correctly I think, a problem with the inclusion of gender identity (trans, etc.) in what has traditionally been a gay rights movement. While the LGB movement sought equality and acceptance, the trans movement attempts to demand more than that and does so in ways that many people reasonably find objectionable.

Many of us don’t want to be told what to say, what pronouns to use, that our daughters must compete against biological males in sporting events, and share locker rooms with them in school. We also reject the seemingly nonsensical notion that we should pretend a boy is a girl simply because the boy declares that he is a girl. We resent the myriad circumlocutions increasingly required to avoid recognizing simple sexual reality: such nonsense as calling mothers “birthing people,” for example.

Beyond that, the trans movement is fundamentally hostile to the notion of basic human sexuality, and in particular of womanhood. It represents the final denial that men and women are different in important ways, in favor of a fictitious equivalence that, predictably, tends to serve men well at the expense of women.

I think there is a growing awareness among some in the gay community that there will be pushback against the increasingly extreme and unacceptable demands of the trans movement, and that, to the extent the gay movement is seen as inextricably bound to the trans movement, that pushback may undermine and threaten legitimate gains made by gay rights activists. It’s perfectly reasonable to encourage tolerance and understanding of people who are different; it isn’t reasonable to demand professions of belief and unacceptable accommodations (e.g., in athletics) based on a fanciful reimagining of human sexuality.

I think it would be prudent to begin to question whether being strongly allied with the so-called “trans” movement is in anyone’s best interests.

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  1. Henry Racette Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    In contrast, I think the transgender movement is almost entirely balderdash, and I refuse to pretend otherwise. But that movement wishes to force me to use particular pronouns, wants me to pretend to agree with its gender identity nonsense, and wants to change the rules by which the sexes interact. That’s quite different from what the homosexual movement wanted.

    Maybe not here – on Ricochet – at least not yet, but how often do you say or write “homosexual” elsewhere, such as when talking in public etc, rather than “gay?”

    Routinely.  And I say a bunch of other politically unacceptable things too. Homosexuality is abnormal, but fairly common. It’s much easier for women to feel same-sex attraction and to act on it, because there’s not as great an impact to their identity, women generally being submissive in sexual relations. Transgender is a fad, and a very destructive one to young ladies. Men and women are different and have pretty consistent gender roles, and women would be better off if they were treated like ladies and men would be better off if they acted like gentleman. Men should pay for meals and open doors. Women should appreciate how valuable sex is and refrain from giving it away too casually. Women derive far more satisfaction from raising children and should do more of it, and men should bear the burden of providing for their families.

    I say the same things everywhere, online and in real life.

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  2. Henry Racette Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    In short, there’s a difference between tolerating a preference one doesn’t share and pretending to go along with a fiction one doesn’t believe.

    How is this different from going along with SSM if you don’t believe it can be a marriage?

    How does one “go along” with same-sex marriage?

    I don’t call people in same-sex relationships married, and I don’t refer to them as husband or wife. I just called them partners. I was opposed to the redefinition of “marriage,” and think that was a mistake, but the court has spoken and we’re stuck with it.

    But that has nothing to do with my tolerance of gay people. Nothing about letting homosexuals live homosexual lives requires that I pretend to believe something I don’t believe.

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  3. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Hank, sorry, but you have to count me out of this one. I do not consider the normalization of homosexuality to have been a good thing. I do not think that homosexual people have a “right” to engage in sodomy. I disagree with the idea that there are “gay rights.” I find this to be a fundamental misconception of the very idea of “rights,” as the category in question is based entirely on behavior.

    Homosexual people do have the same rights as the rest of us — to vote, own property, speak freely, and the like. But I reject the idea that there is a “right” to homosexual sodomy. This was the holding of a SCOTUS majority as recently as the Bowers v. Hardwick case in 1986.

    It is depressing to find myself in a minority on this point, even among self-identified conservatives.

    In my view, the fundamental underlying arguments of modern feminism, the pro-homosexuality movement, and the trans movement are identical. The application is different, but the concept is the same, I think. In all cases, it is a rejection of traditional marriage and traditional family. So I dissent. Pointlessly, it seems.

    I approve of sodomy. The sexual practices that destroy society are heterosexual incest, polygyny unwed procreative sex and the sexual abuse of children and teenagers. I can’t see anything to bother about with gays as long as they don’t get to raping Angels. 

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  4. Henry Racette Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    The sexual practices that destroy society are…

    I think you have a pinched and somewhat dysfunctional understanding of the human condition. But you probably already know that.

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  5. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    If sodomy is illegal for everyone, that’s equal rights.

    If they were arresting people in straight bars because they suspected the bars encouraged oral sex you might have a point.

    Only if they are doing it badly. 

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  6. Henry Castaigne Member
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    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    I could never understand why anyone would want to be proud of being homosexual. It is antithetical to the survival of the human race.

    Are you sure that the human race is all that good? How would homosexuals spawning more children make the human race better? We don’t all need to breed to make sure the human race continues. Priests and monks for for millennia been living as celibates to elevate humanity in their own way. Homosexuals decided to make the American Musical. 

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  7. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    The sexual practices that destroy society are…

    I think you have a pinched and somewhat dysfunctional understanding of the human condition. But you probably already know that.

    How is my understanding of the human condition pinched with regard to matters of sex? There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that polygamy and incest are bad for people. 

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  8. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    In contrast, I think the transgender movement is almost entirely balderdash, and I refuse to pretend otherwise. But that movement wishes to force me to use particular pronouns, wants me to pretend to agree with its gender identity nonsense, and wants to change the rules by which the sexes interact. That’s quite different from what the homosexual movement wanted.

    Maybe not here – on Ricochet – at least not yet, but how often do you say or write “homosexual” elsewhere, such as when talking in public etc, rather than “gay?”

    Every single time, taking back the language. 

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  9. namlliT noD Member
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    Henry Racette: June is widely recognized as “Pride Month,” and I’m sure we’ll see lots of reminders of that over the next few weeks.

    “Pride” is one of the Seven Deadly Sins.  Homosexuality is not.

    So, I can’t help but think that this Pride Month thing is really, really misguided.

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  10. thelonious Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Hank, sorry, but you have to count me out of this one. I do not consider the normalization of homosexuality to have been a good thing. I do not think that homosexual people have a “right” to engage in sodomy. I disagree with the idea that there are “gay rights.” I find this to be a fundamental misconception of the very idea of “rights,” as the category in question is based entirely on behavior.

    Homosexual people do have the same rights as the rest of us — to vote, own property, speak freely, and the like. But I reject the idea that there is a “right” to homosexual sodomy. This was the holding of a SCOTUS majority as recently as the Bowers v. Hardwick case in 1986.

    It is depressing to find myself in a minority on this point, even among self-identified conservatives.

    In my view, the fundamental underlying arguments of modern feminism, the pro-homosexuality movement, and the trans movement are identical. The application is different, but the concept is the same, I think. In all cases, it is a rejection of traditional marriage and traditional family. So I dissent. Pointlessly, it seems.

    I approve of sodomy. 

    Does your sex robot have that feature?

     

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  11. namlliT noD Member
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    Serious question: How do you square homosexuality with Darwinism?

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  12. namlliT noD Member
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    Correct me if I’m wrong, but homosexuality is entirely about one’s personal preference for a love and/or sex partner at the current time. 

    I mean, it’s not like gay men can’t physically have sex with women; they just prefer not to.  Right?

    Given that, exactly how is a personal preference legally actionable?

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  13. Henry Castaigne Member
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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Serious question: How do you square homosexuality with Darwinism?

    Well we all start off as female and then hormones kick in and the vast majority of us XY people become male. The current theory is that some estrogen in the case of males and testosterone in the case of females alter their sexuality. Homosexuality has also been observed in insects, and lions and other animals. The idea is that in a minority of animals. Something goes off. Additionally, some believe that insects who engage in homosexuality do so because they mistake the other as being female. 

    Given the incredible complexity of any multicellular organism, it’s not surprising that some behaviors aren’t quite programmed in the maximally Darwinian way. 

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  14. thelonious Member
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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Serious question: How do you square homosexuality with Darwinism?

    Every system has its’ own inefficiencies. As long as most sex within the species is efficient, the species will survive.

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Hank, sorry, but you have to count me out of this one. I do not consider the normalization of homosexuality to have been a good thing. I do not think that homosexual people have a “right” to engage in sodomy. I disagree with the idea that there are “gay rights.” I find this to be a fundamental misconception of the very idea of “rights,” as the category in question is based entirely on behavior.

    Homosexual people do have the same rights as the rest of us — to vote, own property, speak freely, and the like. But I reject the idea that there is a “right” to homosexual sodomy. This was the holding of a SCOTUS majority as recently as the Bowers v. Hardwick case in 1986.

    It is depressing to find myself in a minority on this point, even among self-identified conservatives.

    In my view, the fundamental underlying arguments of modern feminism, the pro-homosexuality movement, and the trans movement are identical. The application is different, but the concept is the same, I think. In all cases, it is a rejection of traditional marriage and traditional family. So I dissent. Pointlessly, it seems.

    I approve of sodomy. The sexual practices that destroy society are heterosexual incest, polygyny unwed procreative sex and the sexual abuse of children and teenagers. I can’t see anything to bother about with gays as long as they don’t get to raping Angels.

    What about pretending to be families that raise children, usually through adoption?

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  16. Zafar Member
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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Serious question: How do you square homosexuality with Darwinism?

    My favourite theory is the presence of an androphilic gene.  When present in men they are gay and don’t pass the gene on.  When present in women they’re popular and have more kids than the norm – enough to more than make up for the gay siblings.  When everybody has more children because farming needs the labour the effect on the population is minimal. When smaller families become the norm the effect is more apparent.

    In short: there really are more gay men than there used to be, and the gay gene continues to spread.

    For lesbians I got nothing.

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  17. Henry Castaigne Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Hank, sorry, but you have to count me out of this one. I do not consider the normalization of homosexuality to have been a good thing. I do not think that homosexual people have a “right” to engage in sodomy. I disagree with the idea that there are “gay rights.” I find this to be a fundamental misconception of the very idea of “rights,” as the category in question is based entirely on behavior.

    Homosexual people do have the same rights as the rest of us — to vote, own property, speak freely, and the like. But I reject the idea that there is a “right” to homosexual sodomy. This was the holding of a SCOTUS majority as recently as the Bowers v. Hardwick case in 1986.

    It is depressing to find myself in a minority on this point, even among self-identified conservatives.

    In my view, the fundamental underlying arguments of modern feminism, the pro-homosexuality movement, and the trans movement are identical. The application is different, but the concept is the same, I think. In all cases, it is a rejection of traditional marriage and traditional family. So I dissent. Pointlessly, it seems.

    I approve of sodomy. The sexual practices that destroy society are heterosexual incest, polygyny unwed procreative sex and the sexual abuse of children and teenagers. I can’t see anything to bother about with gays as long as they don’t get to raping Angels.

    What about pretending to be families that raise children, usually through adoption?

    It seems like adoption is better for the kid than being with idiot heterosexual couples. However, I do oppose homosexuals who want to impregnate a surrogate Mom or become pregnant by a surrogate Dad. These gay parents yearn for a biological connection to their children but would deny that same yearning to the child. Them’s my two cents. 

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  18. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    For lesbians I got nothing.

    Maybe ladies are just hotter? I mean it’s so obvious. 

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  19. Zafar Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    But that has nothing to do with my tolerance of gay people. Nothing about letting homosexuals live homosexual lives requires that I pretend to believe something I don’t believe.

    Well you need, in some circumstances, to treat these couples as equal to other couples – even if you don’t believe it.  It seems similar to using female pronouns for trans women, even if you don’t believe they’re women.

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    But that has nothing to do with my tolerance of gay people. Nothing about letting homosexuals live homosexual lives requires that I pretend to believe something I don’t believe.

    Well you need, in some circumstances, to treat these couples as equal to other couples – even if you don’t believe it. It seems similar to using female pronouns for trans women, even if you don’t believe they’re women.

    Maybe to be consistent, rather than doing both, he does neither?

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  21. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    But that has nothing to do with my tolerance of gay people. Nothing about letting homosexuals live homosexual lives requires that I pretend to believe something I don’t believe.

    Well you need, in some circumstances, to treat these couples as equal to other couples – even if you don’t believe it. It seems similar to using female pronouns for trans women, even if you don’t believe they’re women.

    Please elucidate that sentiment Zafar. Do you really think that Mr. Racette needs to call someone with a penis a woman? Does being nice to homosexuals and trans people include forcing them to say things they don’t believe?

    This is where the slippery slope argument against gay marriage has legs. When gay marriage was passed then the left immediately went to forcing polite Christians to bake them cakes. It’s freedom and resect towards the favorable minorities at that time and censorship towards those who might resist the Woke agenda. 

    Leftism: Then vs Now - YouTube

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  22. Zafar Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    But that has nothing to do with my tolerance of gay people. Nothing about letting homosexuals live homosexual lives requires that I pretend to believe something I don’t believe.

    Well you need, in some circumstances, to treat these couples as equal to other couples – even if you don’t believe it. It seems similar to using female pronouns for trans women, even if you don’t believe they’re women.

    Maybe to be consistent, rather than doing both, he does neither?

    Yes, I’m trying to understand why he sees the two things so differently.

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  23. Zafar Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Does being nice to homosexuals and trans people include forcing them to say things they don’t believe?

    Being nice to a lot of people can involve that. It’s almost the point of manners?

    When gay marriage was passed then the left immediately went to forcing polite Christians to bake them cakes. It’s freedom and resect towards the favorable minorities at that time and censorship towards those who might resist the Woke agenda. 

    Practically McCarthyist. No wonder it looks familiar. 

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  24. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Zafar @Zafar 16 Seconds Ago

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Does being nice to homosexuals and trans people include forcing them to say things they don’t believe?

    Being nice to a lot of people can involve that. It’s almost the point of manners?

    You shouldn’t use government force for that. Do check out the cartoon I posted. It makes my point beautifully. 

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  25. E. Kent Golding Moderator
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    And yes, I think that ship has sailed for those of you who see it otherwise. Unless the trans movement does enough damage to cause a refocusing on fundamental issues of homosexual rights – and I hope it does not — I don’t expect the status quo to chang

    Do you truly think that we will all be forever called to “Celebrate!”  others sexual preferences and quirks?

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  26. Stina Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Looking at our history, there’s a pattern of trying to get the least obviously different part of our community to discard or distance from the parts which are more obviously different, and which make other people most uneasy or uncomfortable.

     

    For the most part, that’s preservation. We like to distance ourselves from sick people, too.

    And I know, that’s insensitive and homophobic to compare gay and trans and bisexuality to sick people.

    But given the shaky science in “born that way”, I’m still not convinced it isn’t entirely right.  Most homosexuals I have met have sexual trauma somewhere in their childhood or really screwed up mothers with serious boundary issues. There’s a deviancy here. And separating healthy people (youth) from deviant sexual inclinations is a preservation mechanism for a culture and society.

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  27. Stina Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    I approve of sodomy.

    You evidently don’t know what that is given your list of disapproval’s.

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  28. Stina Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    I could never understand why anyone would want to be proud of being homosexual. It is antithetical to the survival of the human race.

    Are you sure that the human race is all that good? How would homosexuals spawning more children make the human race better? We don’t all need to breed to make sure the human race continues. Priests and monks for for millennia been living as celibates to elevate humanity in their own way. Homosexuals decided to make the American Musical.

    Teenagers are curious and confused people. They tend to not be the brightest bulbs. There is something called sexual imprinting. Our first sexual interactions tend to define our future sexual interactions.

    A bad Hetero or a favorable homo or some kind of sexual abuse before sexual maturity all have impacts on how we view sex. The favorable atmosphere surrounding homosexuality and sexual identity makes it far likelier that kids who weren’t going to be gay may end up gay. That’s partly why queerness is sky rocketing in the youngest generation. It seems Munchausen by proxy is on the rise, too, with mothers wanting queer kids more than straight kids. There’s a socially acceptable attention racket available.

    This is all backed by experiments that came out of the Frankfurt School where they were experimenting on children on how early introduction to sex lowers sexual inhibition and natural boundaries as they mature. Aldous Huxley wasn’t making it up, it was actual research being done.

    Now, we have sexual deviancy (sodomy) being taught to some elementary students in our school system. It’s a pattern attempting to normalize (in the TRUEST statistical sense of that word) sexual deviancy.

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  29. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    I approve of sodomy.

    You evidently don’t know what that is given your list of disapproval’s.

    You mean the sex acts in Sodom and Gomorrah? I know of them. Sodomy is not used to refer to attempted rape of Angels far as I know.

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  30. Stina Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    You mean the sex acts in Sodom and Gomorrah? I know of them. Sodomy is not used to refer to attempted rape of Angels far as I know.

    I never considered the act of sodomy strictly a gay man thing. I saw homosexuality as wrong because of its use of sodomy, where sodomy was bad for people and that was the only mechanism for homosexual couplings.

    In other words, the sin in homosexuality IS the sodomy and the prohibition extends to heterosexual couples, but is less obvious in practice.

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