Does This Mean we Get More Huge Gas Guzzlers?

 

Help me out: if carmakers are judged by the average mileage, and there are a lot of new hybrid vehicles which readily raise the mileage of the fleet up, does that mean that carmakers will be able to use the offsets to produce traditional huge fun vehicles that people like me want to drive?

In other words, will an unintended consequence of all these green policies be that V8s and v12-engined cars will become more available, rather than less?

I’m not asking for a friend. I’m asking for me. After all, I care about the planet. The more CO2 I produce, the more plants grow, the more life there is on earth – it is a win-win!

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  1. Mark Camp Member
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    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Quiet cars are especially dangerous around people on sidewalks etc. I’ve read that there are noise-makers for electric cars and hybrids to, for example, warn deer and other animals of approaching danger.

    Electrics are quiet below about 5 mph. After that tire noise comes up. Many combustion engineers are whisper quiet these days.

    And we engineers in general have always been relatively quiet to begin with.

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  2. Full Size Tabby Member
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    EHerring (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Not so fast, fun lovers. What makes you think the mileage standard won’t go up as more electrics come into play?

    Besides, don’t you want to spend 60K on the electric “GTO” hatchback Mustang, with your purchase partially subsidized by our tax dollars?

    It still costs more than a real Mustang.

    I endorse your “real” qualification. It’s also uglier and doesn’t make enough noise.

    Noise and vibration can be simulated digitally, if that’s what you want. My Lionel train locomotive used to take smoke pellets to give the impression of a steam engine. I’m sure the technology is within reach to make a convincing simulation of the real Mustang. (Don’t ask me what was in those smoke pellets. :-) )

    Quiet cars are especially dangerous around people on sidewalks etc. I’ve read that there are noise-makers for electric cars and hybrids to, for example, warn deer and other animals of approaching danger.

    My daughter’s hybrid Honda Accord plays a little jingle when it starts off like a battery golf cart. Once the car is moving along, the motor kicks in. She is on her second hybrid after driving a Hundai Sonata for several years. I will replace my CRV with another CRV, but will go hybrid this time. It is the best of both worlds. EVs are for commuters. My problem is how few hybrids are on the lot. I want the Touring trim because the navigation is built in. I like Apple Car Play in cars but don’t want to have to plug in my IPhone to see maps. Navigation is already included in the Touring models, as well as the auto hatchback thing where you kick your foot under the bumper and it opens. I laughed at the silliness of that until I needed it. We only plug in his phone and use Apple Maps when we are on a trip. Since the cheaper trims are more popular, I will have to bide my time until Touring models are plentiful in the hybrid version. I suspect the computer chip shortage has modified production to concentrate on the cheaper trims. Even so, only one hybrid in a cheaper trim was on the lot the other day. All seem to be ~$1200 more than several months ago, probably due to scarcity of “rare earth” elements needed for those batteries.

    The semiconductor chip shortage is also restricting the flow of higher trim level cars, as the additional technology bits in the higher trim levels require more chips. 

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  3. GLDIII Temporarily Essential Reagan
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    philo (View Comment):

    I sure hope so…for years now it has been my goal to maximize my carbon footprint. Looking for new frontiers.

    Doing my part at 14.5 gallons an hour of 100 octane aviation gas.

    Do I get a prize?

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    GLDIII Temporarily Essential (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    I sure hope so…for years now it has been my goal to maximize my carbon footprint. Looking for new frontiers.

    Doing my part at 14.5 gallons an hour of 100 octane aviation gas.

    Do I get a prize?

     

    Not compared to John Travolta’s 707.

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  5. Henry Racette Member
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    From your blood soaked enviro-terrorist fingers to Detroit’s ears, iWe.

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  6. Doctor Robert Member
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    GLDIII Temporarily Essential (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    I sure hope so…for years now it has been my goal to maximize my carbon footprint. Looking for new frontiers.

    Doing my part at 14.5 gallons an hour of 100 octane aviation gas.

    Do I get a prize?

    How did you take that selfie?

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  7. Tex929rr Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    GLDIII Temporarily Essential (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    I sure hope so…for years now it has been my goal to maximize my carbon footprint. Looking for new frontiers.

    Doing my part at 14.5 gallons an hour of 100 octane aviation gas.

    Do I get a prize?

     

    Not compared to John Travolta’s 707.

    Mrs Tex is the champ for this, I think.  It always made me happy to think she probably burned enough JP4 in the USAF to more than exceed our lifetime federal income tax payments. The Jet A at FedEx was icing on the cake.  

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  8. The Reticulator Member
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    GLDIII Temporarily Essential (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    I sure hope so…for years now it has been my goal to maximize my carbon footprint. Looking for new frontiers.

    Doing my part at 14.5 gallons an hour of 100 octane aviation gas.

    Do I get a prize?

    How did you take that selfie?

    Invisible selfie stick.  :-) Maybe not for that exact shot, though.

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  9. EHerring Coolidge
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    Tex929rr (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    GLDIII Temporarily Essential (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    I sure hope so…for years now it has been my goal to maximize my carbon footprint. Looking for new frontiers.

    Doing my part at 14.5 gallons an hour of 100 octane aviation gas.

    Do I get a prize?

     

    Not compared to John Travolta’s 707.

    Mrs Tex is the champ for this, I think. It always made me happy to think she probably burned enough JP4 in the USAF to more than exceed our lifetime federal income tax payments. The Jet A at FedEx was icing on the cake.

    She flew T-5/ F – 5s ?

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    EHerring (View Comment):

    Tex929rr (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    GLDIII Temporarily Essential (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    I sure hope so…for years now it has been my goal to maximize my carbon footprint. Looking for new frontiers.

    Doing my part at 14.5 gallons an hour of 100 octane aviation gas.

    Do I get a prize?

     

    Not compared to John Travolta’s 707.

    Mrs Tex is the champ for this, I think. It always made me happy to think she probably burned enough JP4 in the USAF to more than exceed our lifetime federal income tax payments. The Jet A at FedEx was icing on the cake.

    She flew T-5/ F – 5s ?

    To hell with that, what’s with the alien writing on the ground????

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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    She flew T-5/ F – 5s ?

    To hell with that, what’s with the alien writing on the ground????

    T38 (F5 platform) was the supersonic trainer for pilot training for maybe 50 years.  She is in the back (instructor seat).  Soon to be replaced by the T-7.  The stuff on the ground is some meandering river in northern Mississippi under one of the designated maneuver areas

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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Tex929rr (View Comment):philo (View Comment

    She flew T-5/ F – 5s ?

    To hell with that, what’s with the alien writing on the ground????

    T38 (F5 platform) was the supersonic trainer for pilot training for maybe 50 years. She is in the back (instructor seat). Soon to be replaced by the T-7. The stuff on the ground is some meandering river in northern Mississippi under one of the designated maneuver areas

    Sure, that’s what they WANT US to think!

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  13. EHerring Coolidge
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    Tex929rr (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):

    Tex929rr (View Comment):philo (View Comment

    She flew T-5/ F – 5s ?

    To hell with that, what’s with the alien writing on the ground????

    T38 (F5 platform) was the supersonic trainer for pilot training for maybe 50 years. She is in the back (instructor seat). Soon to be replaced by the T-7. The stuff on the ground is some meandering river in northern Mississippi under one of the designated maneuver areas

    The Thunderbirds flew the Talon for a while. Thanks for reminding me of the T38 nomenclature. One can forget a lot in 20+ years. I seem to remember pilots loved it back in the day.

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  14. EHerring Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    JoelB (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Not so fast, fun lovers. What makes you think the mileage standard won’t go up as more electrics come into play?

    Besides, don’t you want to spend 60K on the electric “GTO” hatchback Mustang, with your purchase partially subsidized by our tax dollars?

    It still costs more than a real Mustang.

    I endorse your “real” qualification. It’s also uglier and doesn’t make enough noise.

    Noise and vibration can be simulated digitally, if that’s what you want. My Lionel train locomotive used to take smoke pellets to give the impression of a steam engine. I’m sure the technology is within reach to make a convincing simulation of the real Mustang. (Don’t ask me what was in those smoke pellets. :-) )

    Quiet cars are especially dangerous around people on sidewalks etc. I’ve read that there are noise-makers for electric cars and hybrids to, for example, warn deer and other animals of approaching danger.

    If I ever get my hands on one, I hope it plays Wagner’s Ride of the Valkeries when running on the battery. 

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