AP Is Shocked. Shocked!

 

A couple days ago, the Israeli military destroyed a building that they said was used by Hamas. The Israelis gave their customary warning to everyone in the area to get out, and it appears that no one was hurt. I don’t recall Hamas giving a similar warning to the residents of the Israeli civilian centers it destroyed with rocket attacks last week. Anyway. As it turns out, the Hamas building was also used by the Associated Press. AP claims that they had been in that building for years, and had no idea that Hamas was using the same office space. AP is shocked – shocked! – at Israeli allegations that the building housed hostile forces:

AP CEO: “AP’s bureau has been in this building for 15 years. We have had no indication Hamas was in the building or active in the building. This is something we actively check to the best of our ability. We’d never knowingly put our journalists at risk.”

I’m busy this afternoon, and don’t have time to research this or think it over. Which never prevented me from posting anything before, so I’ll just list a couple of thoughts that leap to mind:

First, which organization is a greater threat to Israel? Hamas, or AP News? I think it’s clearly AP News, because Israel is allowed to engage in counter-attacks against the Hamas military, but they can’t defend themselves against the more impactful attacks of AP, in the form of Palestinian propaganda.

Next, what are the odds that AP really didn’t know that Hamas was in that building?  In fact, what are the odds that the reason the AP used offices there was to have close access to those they were working with to develop the stories they sought to produce about Israeli brutality and so on?  One would presume that AP chose those offices for a reason.  Perhaps not.  But what a remarkable coincidence – out of all the offices they could have used in that region, they chose those in the very same office building as Hamas.  Who knew?

Next, how would sharing office space with those you seek to help be “putting our journalists at risk“?  Hamas has staged photo ops with AP for years.  They know the AP is on their side.  Why would they attack their own ally?  Especially a powerful ally, that can hurt the Israelis more with consistently bad press than Hamas can with poorly aimed rockets?

Next, AP is a news organization.  They send investigative journalists all over the world to get information.  And they didn’t even know that they were sharing an office building with a military organization?  How could such a crack team of journalists not figure out who’s in the office next door?  That wouldn’t take a great deal of investigation – they’re in the same darn building, for Pete’s sake!  For 15 years!  Is AP really claiming to be that incompetent?

Next, all the news stories emphasize that this Hamas building that was destroyed also housed offices for AP and other news organizations, and apartments.  Ok.  Suppose you were a military organization like Hamas.  Why would you put any assets at all in a building with civilian offices and apartments?  Wouldn’t you run the risk of exposing innocents to violent attacks?  Wouldn’t it be a better idea to keep your people and equipment away from civilian centers, for the safety of your own innocent people who live nearby?  Why would anyone put military assets in an apartment building?  I can think of only one reason for such a decision.

Again, these are just my initial impressions.  I could be wrong about all this.

But on its face, AP’s protests strike me as absurd.

Incidentally, AP continues to represent itself as a neutral news organization.  Which is even more absurd.

The AP and Hamas sharing office space.  Birds of a feather.

But AP still feels the need to pretend to be shocked.  Shocked!

Right.

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  1. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    The regrettable part is that AP propagandists weren’t killed. 

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  2. Henry Racette Contributor
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    It seems to me that the burden of proof is on Israel to provide evidence that Hamas was in fact sharing the building with the AP. They may already have done so for all I know. I’ll try to find out.

    Having said that, I have little doubt that they were. I am wildly pro-Israel, fully supportive of a muscular pushback against ongoing terrorist aggression. Hamas and the PLO are notoriously corrupt and dishonest, routinely staging fake events knowing that the international press will run with their stories. Our opinion-shaping elite are anti-Israel because they are anti-western civilization and Israel represents a thriving pocket of the west in a region of the world hostile to modernity and the liberal democratic tradition.

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  3. Henry Racette Contributor
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    Well, this is interesting.

    “Israel showed US ‘smoking gun’ on Hamas in AP office tower, officials say” — Jerusalem Post story, today.

     

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  4. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    I just saw some clip where a high-level AP muckety-muck informed the viewers that AP never saw any sign that Hamas was in the building.

    Three of those years, the AP never saw any sign that the Russian collusion story was poop.

    Not noticing things seems to be an AP hallmark. It is not one I’d brag about if I were them.

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  5. CACrabtree Coolidge
    CACrabtree
    @CACrabtree

    I am appalled that the Israelis shelled the building that the AP was occupying.  At least they could have waited until the New York Times and Washington Post correspondents joined those from the AP.  

    I am shocked and dismayed…

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  6. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    My all-time favorite “news report” – maybe not from AP since it was video – was a Palestinian “funeral procession” with bodies of supposed victims of “Israeli Aggression” being carried on stretchers.  

    When one of the stretchers was dropped, the “corpse” got up and ran away.

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  7. Dr. Bastiat Member
    Dr. Bastiat
    @drbastiat

    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    I am appalled that the Israelis shelled the building that the AP was occupying. At least they could have waited until the New York Times and Washington Post correspondents joined those from the AP.

    I am shocked and dismayed…

    I suspect that the Israelis warned Hamas to evacuate the building, but perhaps forgot to call AP.  Hamas probably told AP themselves…

    Just kidding!  I think!

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  8. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    I am appalled that the Israelis shelled the building that the AP was occupying. At least they could have waited until the New York Times and Washington Post correspondents joined those from the AP.

    I am shocked and dismayed…

    I suspect that the Israelis warned Hamas to evacuate the building, but perhaps forgot to call AP. Hamas probably told AP themselves…

    Just kidding! I think!

    If AP is supposed to be a news-gathering-and-reporting outfit, maybe they should have found out on their own?

    “Hey boss, the Israelis announced that they’re going to blow up this building in an hour!”

    “Great scoop, son!  When was this announcement made?”

    “59 minutes ago.”

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  9. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    It seems to me that the burden of proof is on Israel to provide evidence that Hamas was in fact sharing the building with the AP. They may already have done so for all I know. I’ll try to find out.

    Having said that, I have little doubt that they were. I am wildly pro-Israel, fully supportive of a muscular pushback against ongoing terrorist aggression. Hamas and the PLO are notoriously corrupt and dishonest, routinely staging fake events knowing that the international press will run with their stories. Our opinion-shaping elite are anti-Israel because they are anti-western civilization and Israel represents a thriving pocket of the west in a region of the world hostile to modernity and the liberal democratic tradition.

    I am not so sure about this. Antisemitism is part of western civilization and has been from pretty much the beginning. 

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  10. Vance Richards Member
    Vance Richards
    @VanceRichards

    Dr. Bastiat: The AP and Hamas sharing office space.  Birds of a feather.

     Harsh . . . but fair.

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  11. namlliT noD Member
    namlliT noD
    @DonTillman

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  12. Eustace C. Scrubb Member
    Eustace C. Scrubb
    @EustaceCScrubb

    Has anyone asked to whom AP was paying rent? Were they paying rent to Hamas? Or was AP gifted office space for services rendered?

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  13. Al Sparks Thatcher
    Al Sparks
    @AlSparks

    I find it plausible (which is different than probable) that some or most of the reporters there had no clue.  Maybe there were some in local management that did know, but perhaps they, in a wink, wink, nod, nod sort of way didn’t inform their superiors or the reporters working for them.

    Often organizations and institutions play games like that internally, especially with the American culture of legalism.  And the AP is an American company.

    For that matter, intelligence agencies have that kind of schizophrenia too, though they call it compartmentalization.

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  14. Al Sparks Thatcher
    Al Sparks
    @AlSparks

    I notice that the video of that building imploding like that was released by the IDF.  Scott Adams talked about the persuasion win-wins they have been having lately.  Not only did they cause the Hamas and AP to evacuate that building, but they effectively took the AP out of the loop in covering the war.  If anything, the AP has been spending time and ink defending itself, not covering the war.

    But the other thing the IDF did was to provide misinformation about an upcoming ground attack, so Hamas fled for their tunnels.  The IDF then bombs the tunnels with the number of dead that are unknown.  What makes this effective from a propaganda viewpoint is there are no pictures of bodies to show.

    But it also provides Hamas fear uncertainty and doubt (FUD) about their tunneling system.

    This is an example of modern war fighting where actual air strikes are combined with very clever propaganda.  Add that to all the missiles that have been reigning down on Israel, which makes them the victim after all, Israel and the IDF are looking very good.

    Lastly, it looks like the Abraham Accords are holding.  The countries that signed agreements with Israel, continue to back Israel.

    I don’t expect the general American public to pick up on this, but of course this started because the Biden Administration was trying to undercut those accords by funding Iran, and the PLO.

    I could be wrong, but they will probably, very quietly, stop since Israel is looking too good for their taste during this conflict.

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  15. Concretevol Thatcher
    Concretevol
    @Concretevol

    I’m sure the UN was SHOCKED that Hamas were using their “ambulances” to transport weapons and rockets as well.  Lots of surprised people around in that area. 

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  16. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Concretevol (View Comment):

    I’m sure the UN was SHOCKED that Hamas were using their “ambulances” to transport weapons and rockets as well. Lots of surprised people around in that area.

    Of course, they have to use ambulances to deliver the rockets to the rocket-launcher hospitals.

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  17. Zafar Member
    Zafar
    @Zafar

    Dr. Bastiat: First, which organization is a greater threat to Israel? Hamas, or AP News? I think it’s clearly AP News

    In fact any news reporting media house.

    There may or may not have been a Hamas Office if Military Intelligence in the building (instead of a bunker somewhere) but there were definitely some media offices there, whose removal works to Israel’s advantage.

    because Israel is allowed to engage in counter-attacks against the Hamas military, but they can’t defend themselves against the more impactful attacks of AP, in the form of Palestinian propaganda.

    Well there’s always Israeli propaganda.  I believe hasbara is the word in both Hebrew and Arabic?

    Anyway, from ABC:

    The International Federation of Journalists labelled the attack as the latest example of a pattern of “systematic targeting of media in Gaza in an attempt to try to control the narrative”.

    …Deputy general-secretary Jeremy Dear said it was the third media tower in Gaza to be targeted and was “completely destroyed”.

    “We’ve had internet blocks for many months, we’ve complained [about] the systematic targeting of Palestinian journalists by the Israeli authorities, and therefore the only conclusion we can draw is that this is an attempt to silence reporting about what’s going on in Gaza.”

     

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  18. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: First, which organization is a greater threat to Israel? Hamas, or AP News? I think it’s clearly AP News

    In fact any news reporting media house.

    There may or may not have been a Hamas Office if Military Intelligence in the building (instead of a bunker somewhere) but there were definitely some media offices there, whose removal works to Israel’s advantage.

    because Israel is allowed to engage in counter-attacks against the Hamas military, but they can’t defend themselves against the more impactful attacks of AP, in the form of Palestinian propaganda.

    Well there’s always Israeli propaganda. I believe hasbara is the word in both Hebrew and Arabic?

    Anyway, from ABC:

    The International Federation of Journalists labelled the attack as the latest example of a pattern of “systematic targeting of media in Gaza in an attempt to try to control the narrative”.

    …Deputy general-secretary Jeremy Dear said it was the third media tower in Gaza to be targeted and was “completely destroyed”.

    “We’ve had internet blocks for many months, we’ve complained [about] the systematic targeting of Palestinian journalists by the Israeli authorities, and therefore the only conclusion we can draw is that this is an attempt to silence reporting about what’s going on in Gaza.”

     

    More likely silencing propaganda, and good on them for doing it.

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  19. Zafar Member
    Zafar
    @Zafar

    Evidently they’re good at it. 

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  20. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: First, which organization is a greater threat to Israel? Hamas, or AP News? I think it’s clearly AP News

    In fact any news reporting media house.

    There may or may not have been a Hamas Office if Military Intelligence in the building (instead of a bunker somewhere) but there were definitely some media offices there, whose removal works to Israel’s advantage.

    because Israel is allowed to engage in counter-attacks against the Hamas military, but they can’t defend themselves against the more impactful attacks of AP, in the form of Palestinian propaganda.

    Well there’s always Israeli propaganda. I believe hasbara is the word in both Hebrew and Arabic?

    Anyway, from ABC:

    The International Federation of Journalists labelled the attack as the latest example of a pattern of “systematic targeting of media in Gaza in an attempt to try to control the narrative”.

    …Deputy general-secretary Jeremy Dear said it was the third media tower in Gaza to be targeted and was “completely destroyed”.

    “We’ve had internet blocks for many months, we’ve complained [about] the systematic targeting of Palestinian journalists by the Israeli authorities, and therefore the only conclusion we can draw is that this is an attempt to silence reporting about what’s going on in Gaza.”

     

    Too bad the news media have had no interest in maintaining any credibility. It could come in handy at times. 

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  21. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: First, which organization is a greater threat to Israel? Hamas, or AP News? I think it’s clearly AP News

    In fact any news reporting media house.

    There may or may not have been a Hamas Office if Military Intelligence in the building (instead of a bunker somewhere) but there were definitely some media offices there, whose removal works to Israel’s advantage.

    because Israel is allowed to engage in counter-attacks against the Hamas military, but they can’t defend themselves against the more impactful attacks of AP, in the form of Palestinian propaganda.

    Well there’s always Israeli propaganda. I believe hasbara is the word in both Hebrew and Arabic?

    Anyway, from ABC:

    The International Federation of Journalists labelled the attack as the latest example of a pattern of “systematic targeting of media in Gaza in an attempt to try to control the narrative”.

    …Deputy general-secretary Jeremy Dear said it was the third media tower in Gaza to be targeted and was “completely destroyed”.

    “We’ve had internet blocks for many months, we’ve complained [about] the systematic targeting of Palestinian journalists by the Israeli authorities, and therefore the only conclusion we can draw is that this is an attempt to silence reporting about what’s going on in Gaza.”

     

    Too bad the news media have had no interest in maintaining any credibility. It could come in handy at times.

    They believe their credibility is just assumed.

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  22. EHerring Coolidge
    EHerring
    @EHerring

    Suppose you were a military organization like Hamas.  Why would you put any assets at all in a building with civilian offices and apartments?

    Per Geneva Conventions, you don’t do that. If you do, the location becomes a fair target and the military there is responsible for endangering the civilians by hiding among them. Per sissy US policy, we don’t strike them and we bemoan every civilian loss of life, no matter who is responsible. This ridiculous ROE and handwringing only encourages unlawful combatants to hide among civilians.

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  23. Paul Stinchfield Member
    Paul Stinchfield
    @PaulStinchfield

    Dr. Bastiat:

    Incidentally, AP continues to represent itself as a neutral news organization.  Which is even more absurd.

    The AP and Hamas sharing office space.  Birds of a feather.

    The AP (and other news agencies) have a long history of lying.

    On a lighter note, to go along with the embarrassing videos of “dead” “victims” of Israel falling off stretchers, jumping up, and getting back on the stretchers, here is an hilarious attempt to educate the fools and liars at AFP

    Come on, AFP, you can lie more skillfully than that!

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  24. EHerring Coolidge
    EHerring
    @EHerring

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat:

    Incidentally, AP continues to represent itself as a neutral news organization. Which is even more absurd.

    The AP and Hamas sharing office space. Birds of a feather.

    The AP (and other news agencies) have a long history of lying.

    On a lighter note, to go along with the embarrassing videos of “dead” “victims” of Israel falling off stretchers, jumping up, and getting back on the stretchers, here is an hilarious attempt to educate the fools and liars at AFP

    Come on, AFP, you can lie more skillfully than that!

    It takes a really dumb…. to hold those up and think those shiny things flew through the air and hit a house with any force. Takes a really dumb…. to fall for it. 

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  25. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    EHerring (View Comment):

    Suppose you were a military organization like Hamas. Why would you put any assets at all in a building with civilian offices and apartments?

    Per Geneva Conventions, you don’t do that. If you do, the location becomes a fair target and the military there is responsible for endangering the civilians by hiding among them. Per sissy US policy, we don’t strike them and we bemoan every civilian loss of life, no matter who is responsible. This ridiculous ROE and handwringing only encourages unlawful combatants to hide among civilians.

     

    Just like this, enlarged from the OP:

     

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  26. Paul Stinchfield Member
    Paul Stinchfield
    @PaulStinchfield

    kedavis (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):

    Suppose you were a military organization like Hamas. Why would you put any assets at all in a building with civilian offices and apartments?

    Per Geneva Conventions, you don’t do that. If you do, the location becomes a fair target and the military there is responsible for endangering the civilians by hiding among them. Per sissy US policy, we don’t strike them and we bemoan every civilian loss of life, no matter who is responsible. This ridiculous ROE and handwringing only encourages unlawful combatants to hide among civilians.

     

    Just like this, enlarged from the OP:

     

    Worth noting that palestinian terrorists have been caught using Red Crescent ambulances. Schools and mosques have also been used to store munitions. But these are things that the AP prefers to not report on.

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  27. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Dr. Bastiat: AP Is Shocked. Shocked!

    I wish I’d thought of this before:  I hope they were Shocked.  And Awed, too!

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  28. kedavis Member
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):

    Suppose you were a military organization like Hamas. Why would you put any assets at all in a building with civilian offices and apartments?

    Per Geneva Conventions, you don’t do that. If you do, the location becomes a fair target and the military there is responsible for endangering the civilians by hiding among them. Per sissy US policy, we don’t strike them and we bemoan every civilian loss of life, no matter who is responsible. This ridiculous ROE and handwringing only encourages unlawful combatants to hide among civilians.

     

    Just like this, enlarged from the OP:

     

    Worth noting that palestinian terrorists have been caught using Red Crescent ambulances. Schools and mosques have also been used to store munitions. But these are things that the AP prefers to not report on.

    Yes, those are the kinds of things I had in mind.

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  29. Paul Stinchfield Member
    Paul Stinchfield
    @PaulStinchfield

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):

    Suppose you were a military organization like Hamas. Why would you put any assets at all in a building with civilian offices and apartments?

    Per Geneva Conventions, you don’t do that. If you do, the location becomes a fair target and the military there is responsible for endangering the civilians by hiding among them. Per sissy US policy, we don’t strike them and we bemoan every civilian loss of life, no matter who is responsible. This ridiculous ROE and handwringing only encourages unlawful combatants to hide among civilians.

    Just like this, enlarged from the OP:

    Worth noting that palestinian terrorists have been caught using Red Crescent ambulances. Schools and mosques have also been used to store munitions. But these are things that the AP prefers to not report on.

    Yes, those are the kinds of things I had in mind.

    We should also point out that Palestinians celebrate the murder of civilians–even of babies. This sort of barbarism is normal in that culture. And then there are the attacks on embassies, community centers, restaurants, schools, school buses, synagogues…

    To be fair, Western leftists also celebrate these sorts of barbaric acts. And when they are not celebrating them they are constructing dishonest narratives to excuse them.

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