Pavlov’s RINO

 

Gerry Ford, George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, John McCain, Mitt Romney …   Jeff Flake, John Kasich … Liz Cheney … the gOp has never lacked for someone willing to take the milquetoast, mushy middle lane that has too often led the party. A complete bunch of losers with ego and vanity that has no limit. Their desire to be well thought of, by all, ‘trumps’ every other emotion and purpose for them.

So Liz Cheney is merely the most recent of a long line of extremely vain losers. Get back in line girlfriend, you aren’t so special. And your memory is rotten. Do you not remember what your ‘good friends across the aisle’ did to your father?!

Republican, Inc. TM was infatuated with these lonesome losers for decades. Decorum, tut, tut and all. No matter that their opponents had dramatically shifted the battlefield over time. What once was “off-limits” in politics, now only applied to one party. A completely unfair fight, unless one determined to join the Fighter’s caucus. The first such fighter was President Ronald Wilson Reagan, the precursor to President Donald J. Trump.

President Reagan was the first interloper and brash upstart to the status quo on November 12, 1975, when he announced that he would challenge President Ford in the 1976 primary.  It was not his turn, not his time yet. Hadn’t he and his supporters learned that back in 1968?! But something happened in the standard voting block of the gOp and in a significant part of the Democratic Party. These folks still believed in the goodness of America and not the lies and phony socialism of the Democrats and their dependent classes. President Reagan and this expanded voting block were fed up and tired of apologizing for the goodness of America. But Republican, Inc. TM was completely oblivious to this substantive change. President Reagan and his voting block were conservative fighters and more than willing to challenge the status quo of the establishment gOp that always promised things that they never delivered upon, because they always backed down to their stronger opponents, out of decorum or something.

Liz Cheney, give it up girlfriend. You are embarrassing yourself and your family’s political legacy. Here is what your Dad said about the first 1990’s brash upstart in the party in 2011 (but still failing to confront Romney’s weakness, due to decorum or something):

When Newt showed up he said, we can become the majority, we can take back the House of Representatives. We hadn’t had the House since the 1940s. And initially, none of us believed it. But he was persistent, he was tenacious. He kept it up, kept it up, and kept it up. Finally by ’94 he’s the newly elected Speaker of the House of Representatives with a Republican majority. So I wouldn’t underestimate him.  link

It’s not Trumpism, per se, but in the 2020s, it is the Fighter’s Caucus, because of the democrat socialists, and whether it is a Reagan, Gingrich or Trump (fighters all, but with different styles), the gOp better get its head out of its arse and get on board to select a fighter to save the nation and its Constitution.  Your voters, not Trump, are the ones who demand it.

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  1. RufusRJones Member
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    Baker (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    What is your problem with Nunes

    Two quickies, one, he was once a Boehner loyalist and has now joined the “establishment is evil” crowd. And two, dude sues cows and parody accounts on social media. That’s ridiculous. What he has done to Liz Mair is outrageous.

    https://www.fresnobee.com/news/politics-government/article245625375.html

    Oh.

    If you could take a stab at any of those other questions, that would be great. tia

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  2. Taras Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Baker (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    What is your problem with Nunes

    Two quickies, one, he was once a Boehner loyalist and has now joined the “establishment is evil” crowd. And two, dude sues cows and parody accounts on social media. That’s ridiculous. What he has done to Liz Mair is outrageous.

    https://www.fresnobee.com/news/politics-government/article245625375.html

    Oh.

    If you could take a stab at any of those other questions, that would be great. tia

    Given that the Supreme Court has made it virtually impossible for a public figure to win a libel or slander suit, the story makes me admire Nunes all the more.

    You’ll notice that the article never, ever tells you what the lawsuits are actually about:  just who is being sued.  We’re supposed to merely assume these are innocent lambs Nunes is persecuting.

    That’s how liberals read and write the news.  A white boy is accosted by a Native American:  that’s all they need to know to be sure the white boy is in the wrong.  (Nick Sandmann, not being a public figure, was able to recover some damages.)  A Hispanic guy with a “white” name is in a fight with a black guy:  obviously the former is the aggressor.

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  3. Baker Inactive
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    Taras (View Comment):
    You’ll notice that the article never, ever tells you what the lawsuits are actually about:  just who is being sued.  We’re supposed to merely assume these are innocent lambs Nunes is persecuting

    The lawsuits are about nothing. Its ridiculous. Basically he is suing people who make fun of him or who did their jobs reporting on his businesses and background 

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/04/05/devin-nunes-suing-me-free-speech-twitter-liz-mair-column/3346525002/

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  4. Hoyacon Member
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    Baker (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):
    You’ll notice that the article never, ever tells you what the lawsuits are actually about: just who is being sued. We’re supposed to merely assume these are innocent lambs Nunes is persecuting

    The lawsuits are about nothing. Its ridiculous. Basically he is suing people who make fun of him or who did their jobs reporting on his businesses and background

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/04/05/devin-nunes-suing-me-free-speech-twitter-liz-mair-column/3346525002/

    I’m not going to dispute your specific take due to lack of knowledge.  But, as someone who is reasonably informed in a general sense, my thoughts are 1) Mair may be one of “ours” but she is an N/T who is not without sin; 2) I don’t trust anything in which I only see one side; 3) as a general matter, the idea of pushing back (suing) over internet charges is a time that has come; and 4) even assuming that he’s been a jerk in this, Nunes’ value on the front lines of the Russia collusion hoax outweighs it.

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  5. RufusRJones Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Baker (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):
    You’ll notice that the article never, ever tells you what the lawsuits are actually about: just who is being sued. We’re supposed to merely assume these are innocent lambs Nunes is persecuting

    The lawsuits are about nothing. Its ridiculous. Basically he is suing people who make fun of him or who did their jobs reporting on his businesses and background

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/04/05/devin-nunes-suing-me-free-speech-twitter-liz-mair-column/3346525002/

    I’m not going to dispute your specific take due to lack of knowledge. But, as someone who is reasonably informed in a general sense, my thoughts are 1) Mair may be one of “ours” but she is an N/T who is not without sin; 2) I don’t trust anything in which I only see one side; 3) as a general matter, the idea of pushing back (suing) over internet charges is a time that has come; and 4) even assuming that he’s been a jerk in this, Nunes’ value on the front lines of the Russia collusion hoax outweighs it.

    They were harassing his wife and his mother. I don’t remember the details. 

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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Baker (View Comment):

    Thanks for telling us what we think. I generally disagree with all that. Except the Devin Nunes bit. That’s definitely true.

    Are you actually a member? I’m just going by how Heath Mayo’s Twitter feed looks, the ones in Minnesota, and Gary.

    What is your problem with Nunes?

    Did you go to the DC convention?

    I wouldn’t call myself a member – havent donated any money – but do like Heath Mayo for the most part. I don’t think Mayo and Co. would agree with all – or maybe none – of your statements there. I don’t. 

    I did go to the convention last year though and thoroughly enjoyed it. I got to meet Mona Charen which was a real thrill. 

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  7. Baker Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Baker (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):
    You’ll notice that the article never, ever tells you what the lawsuits are actually about: just who is being sued. We’re supposed to merely assume these are innocent lambs Nunes is persecuting

    The lawsuits are about nothing. Its ridiculous. Basically he is suing people who make fun of him or who did their jobs reporting on his businesses and background

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/04/05/devin-nunes-suing-me-free-speech-twitter-liz-mair-column/3346525002/

    I’m not going to dispute your specific take due to lack of knowledge. But, as someone who is reasonably informed in a general sense, my thoughts are 1) Mair may be one of “ours” but she is an N/T who is not without sin; 2) I don’t trust anything in which I only see one side; 3) as a general matter, the idea of pushing back (suing) over internet charges is a time that has come; and 4) even assuming that he’s been a jerk in this, Nunes’ value on the front lines of the Russia collusion hoax outweighs it.

    They were harassing his wife and his mother. I don’t remember the details.

    That is a different issue which is being pursued in criminal court. And rightly so.

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  8. DrewInTherapy Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    It is sponsored by “Principles First.”

    LOL! Those guys!

    It’s the same set of establishment money-chasers. Heath Mayo’s NeverTrumper PAC.

    It’s connected at the hip to The Bulwankers. Featured speakers at their Summit: Charlie Sykes, Tim Miller and Sarah Longwell. Yup. The Bulwank!

    Also Evan McMullin, Hillary’s pet CIA spook who in 2016 pretended to be Republican to try to suck votes away from Trump, and in the end stiffed his entire campaign staff. Oh, and Mindy Finn, his running mate.

    Also, David Frum, Tom Nichols (Russiagate True Believer and self-appointed Expert™) of the Trump-hating left-wing environmentalist Niskanen Center.

    Will Wilkinson was also VP of the Niskanen Center, but got fired in January when he suggested that Vice President Pence should be hanged.

    Oh, and RICK WILSON, owner of a racist beer cooler and associate of pedophiles!

    These people are not conservatives by any means. “Principles First” should be called “Grifting First.”

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  9. DrewInTherapy Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am going to an On-Line “Rally for Liz” on Tuesday. It is sponsored by “Principles First.”

    I will keep y’all posted.

    The website is rather lacking in information about who is behind “Principles First.” I was only wondering who wouldn’t recognize that, if “principles” were what mattered (Edmund Burke, Adam Smith, etc.), Trump was a far superior choice to Biden. Maybe it should be called “Principles Second,” or something.

    Oh, look above. I just listed some of their people. The only “principle” in “Principles First” is fooling people into thinking they’re conservative in any way, shape, or form. They are unprincipled.

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    DrewInTherapy (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    It is sponsored by “Principles First.”

    LOL! Those guys!

    It’s the same set of establishment money-chasers. Heath Mayo’s NeverTrumper PAC.

    It’s connected at the hip to The Bulwankers. Featured speakers at their Summit: Charlie Sykes, Tim Miller and Sarah Longwell. Yup. The Bulwank!

    Also Evan McMullin, Hillary’s pet CIA spook who in 2016 pretended to be Republican to try to suck votes away from Trump, and in the end stiffed his entire campaign staff. Oh, and Mindy Finn, his running mate.

    Also, David Frum, Tom Nichols (Russiagate True Believer and self-appointed Expert™) of the Trump-hating left-wing environmentalist Niskanen Center.

    Will Wilkinson was also VP of the Niskanen Center, but got fired in January when he suggested that Vice President Pence should be hanged.

    Oh, and RICK WILSON, owner of a racist beer cooler and associate of pedophiles!

    These people are not conservatives by any means. “Principles First” should be called “Grifting First.”

    No, you misunderstand.  Grifting IS their principles!  Every single one of them!

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  11. Taras Coolidge
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    Baker (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Baker (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):
    You’ll notice that the article never, ever tells you what the lawsuits are actually about: just who is being sued. We’re supposed to merely assume these are innocent lambs Nunes is persecuting

    The lawsuits are about nothing. Its ridiculous. Basically he is suing people who make fun of him or who did their jobs reporting on his businesses and background

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/04/05/devin-nunes-suing-me-free-speech-twitter-liz-mair-column/3346525002/

    I’m not going to dispute your specific take due to lack of knowledge. But, as someone who is reasonably informed in a general sense, my thoughts are 1) Mair may be one of “ours” but she is an N/T who is not without sin; 2) I don’t trust anything in which I only see one side; 3) as a general matter, the idea of pushing back (suing) over internet charges is a time that has come; and 4) even assuming that he’s been a jerk in this, Nunes’ value on the front lines of the Russia collusion hoax outweighs it.

    They were harassing his wife and his mother. I don’t remember the details.

    That is a different issue which is being pursued in criminal court. And rightly so.

    I figured the USA Today column would be one-sided, but it’s more like no-sided.  

    Mair wraps herself in the flag and Mom’s apple pie, instead of simply telling us what the lawsuit is actually about.

    Which suggests she fears readers would side with Nunes if they understood the lawsuit.

    Reading between the lines, I suspect she published egregious falsehoods about Nunes.  So egregious that they plausibly come under “reckless disregard for the truth” — or the lawsuit would have been immediately quashed.

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  12. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Taras (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Liz Cheney is America’s Margaret Thatcher.

    Liz Cheney is America’s Vidkun Quisling.

    My hope is that after this week it won’t matter which she is and that she will be in the dustbin.

    The View is probably already contacting her to be the new “conservative” punching bag for Whoopie and Joey.

    The thought has crossed my mind, more than once, that Never Trumpers can be described as quislings — but not simply as an insult.

    Vidkun Quisling believed that Norway could never successfully resist the German onslaught, so collaboration was the best thing he could do for his country. (His country, of course, took a dim view of this, after the war.)

    Similarly, some NT‘s may believe that it’s not possible to resist the power of Big Tech, but that they can preserve some influence by collaborating.

    Saruman might be a more adequate comparison. In fact, I think he says almost this exact thing.

    Calling somebody a “Saruman” just doesn’t have the same ring to it.

    Also, may be confused with “salaryman” (pronounced “sarariman”).

    A Beltway salaryman wants to protect his iron rice bowl, which gives you another metaphor for the NT crowd.

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  13. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    DrewInTherapy (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am going to an On-Line “Rally for Liz” on Tuesday. It is sponsored by “Principles First.”

    I will keep y’all posted.

    The website is rather lacking in information about who is behind “Principles First.” I was only wondering who wouldn’t recognize that, if “principles” were what mattered (Edmund Burke, Adam Smith, etc.), Trump was a far superior choice to Biden. Maybe it should be called “Principles Second,” or something.

    Oh, look above. I just listed some of their people. The only “principle” in “Principles First” is fooling people into thinking they’re conservative in any way, shape, or form. They are unprincipled.

    Like all those fake Tea Party organizations that suddenly appeared for the sole purpose of siphoning up money.

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  14. The Reticulator Member
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    DrewInTherapy (View Comment):
    These people are not conservatives by any means. “Principles First” should be called “Grifting First.”

    What if they really are “Principles First,” but their principles are bad ones.  

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    DrewInTherapy (View Comment):
    These people are not conservatives by any means. “Principles First” should be called “Grifting First.”

    What if they really are “Principles First,” but their principles are bad ones.

    Works out the same.

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  16. Django Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Liz Cheney is America’s Margaret Thatcher.

    Quite a few retired officers disagree with her assessment.  

    AMERICAN HEROES: More Than 120 Retired Generals and Admirals Write Joe Biden Questioning His Mental Health — Support Evidence of Election Fraud (thegatewaypundit.com)

    120 Retired Generals and Admirals Write Joe Biden Questioning His Mental Health and Supporting Evidence of Election Fraud | Censorship | Elections (scribd.com)

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Liz Cheney is America’s Margaret Thatcher.

    Quite a few retired officers disagree with her assessment.

    AMERICAN HEROES: More Than 120 Retired Generals and Admirals Write Joe Biden Questioning His Mental Health — Support Evidence of Election Fraud (thegatewaypundit.com)

    120 Retired Generals and Admirals Write Joe Biden Questioning His Mental Health and Supporting Evidence of Election Fraud | Censorship | Elections (scribd.com)

    Now they get recalled to active duty, and court-martialed?

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  18. RufusRJones Member
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    Baker (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Baker (View Comment):

    Thanks for telling us what we think. I generally disagree with all that. Except the Devin Nunes bit. That’s definitely true.

    Are you actually a member? I’m just going by how Heath Mayo’s Twitter feed looks, the ones in Minnesota, and Gary.

    What is your problem with Nunes?

    Did you go to the DC convention?

    I wouldn’t call myself a member – havent donated any money – but do like Heath Mayo for the most part. I don’t think Mayo and Co. would agree with all – or maybe none – of your statements there. I don’t.

    I did go to the convention last year though and thoroughly enjoyed it. I got to meet Mona Charen which was a real thrill.

    First of all, you don’t talk or argue like those guys at all. You don’t make boilerplate arguments and you actually remember news facts. I don’t think you would fit in.

    Heath Mayo is totally banal. They all sound like him. Boiler plate eighth grade civics. 

    I find the people on the stage at that thing to be ridiculous. I look forward to your opinions about public policy.

    Mayo was talking about their operations on Twitter yesterday. I wonder what they do besides have that convention and try to gather members? This isn’t the right word, but the whole thing feels like a false flag operation for the Democrats, people that are trying to make money like Evan McMullin, and people with big personal and political laws like Kristol et. al. 

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  19. RufusRJones Member
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    This is my cure for people who think like principles first. Listen to the Tom Woods interview of Tho Bishop last week. 

    Pay the dollar to watch the long interview of David Stockman on real version.

    Watch this video.

     

     

    None of those guys get that stuff at all. Furthermore the people they are surrounded by don’t want them to understand it.

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  20. RufusRJones Member
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    Discuss. 

     

     

     

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  21. Hoyacon Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Discuss.

     

    Who is Heath Mayo and why is he so uninformed?

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  22. The Reticulator Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Discuss.

     

     

     

     That’s funny..

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  23. RufusRJones Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Discuss.

     

     

    Who is Heath Mayo and why is he so uninformed?

    Minnesota Never Trump takes him very seriously along with his organization. I think it’s being run by Pierre Omidyar and Bill Kristol. They say things like that all day.

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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Discuss.

    Nikki Moonitz nails it. Name one thing that has improved in Joe Biden’s Amerikka.

     

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  25. RufusRJones Member
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Discuss.

    Nikki Moonitz nails it. Name one thing that has improved in Joe Biden’s Amerikka.

     

    No kidding. 

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  26. DrewInTherapy Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Discuss.

     

     

    Mayo is delusional.

    Though I suppose he has to say this, otherwise he’ll have to admit he was wrong. Pride goeth before a fall. (And it’s a long way down.)

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  27. DrewInTherapy Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Who is Heath Mayo and why is he so uninformed?

    A guy who is famous only for being a professional Trump-hater. That’s how you get popular among his class.

    Should he start acting like a conservative, he’ll be a nobody again.

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  28. DrewInTherapy Member
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    The people who think that President Trump had anything to do with last year’s COVID infection rate are insane. The people who think Joe Biden had anything to do with the infection rate falling this year are also insane.

    And anti-Science!

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  29. RufusRJones Member
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    DrewInTherapy (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Discuss.

     

     

    Mayo is delusional.

    Though I suppose he has to say this, otherwise he’ll have to admit he was wrong. Pride goeth before a fall. (And it’s a long way down.)

    That’s the way I see it. Those guys are scrambling, mentally. Cognitive dissonance.

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  30. RufusRJones Member
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    Discuss

     

     

     

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