Pavlov’s RINO

 

Gerry Ford, George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, John McCain, Mitt Romney …   Jeff Flake, John Kasich … Liz Cheney … the gOp has never lacked for someone willing to take the milquetoast, mushy middle lane that has too often led the party. A complete bunch of losers with ego and vanity that has no limit. Their desire to be well thought of, by all, ‘trumps’ every other emotion and purpose for them.

So Liz Cheney is merely the most recent of a long line of extremely vain losers. Get back in line girlfriend, you aren’t so special. And your memory is rotten. Do you not remember what your ‘good friends across the aisle’ did to your father?!

Republican, Inc. TM was infatuated with these lonesome losers for decades. Decorum, tut, tut and all. No matter that their opponents had dramatically shifted the battlefield over time. What once was “off-limits” in politics, now only applied to one party. A completely unfair fight, unless one determined to join the Fighter’s caucus. The first such fighter was President Ronald Wilson Reagan, the precursor to President Donald J. Trump.

President Reagan was the first interloper and brash upstart to the status quo on November 12, 1975, when he announced that he would challenge President Ford in the 1976 primary.  It was not his turn, not his time yet. Hadn’t he and his supporters learned that back in 1968?! But something happened in the standard voting block of the gOp and in a significant part of the Democratic Party. These folks still believed in the goodness of America and not the lies and phony socialism of the Democrats and their dependent classes. President Reagan and this expanded voting block were fed up and tired of apologizing for the goodness of America. But Republican, Inc. TM was completely oblivious to this substantive change. President Reagan and his voting block were conservative fighters and more than willing to challenge the status quo of the establishment gOp that always promised things that they never delivered upon, because they always backed down to their stronger opponents, out of decorum or something.

Liz Cheney, give it up girlfriend. You are embarrassing yourself and your family’s political legacy. Here is what your Dad said about the first 1990’s brash upstart in the party in 2011 (but still failing to confront Romney’s weakness, due to decorum or something):

When Newt showed up he said, we can become the majority, we can take back the House of Representatives. We hadn’t had the House since the 1940s. And initially, none of us believed it. But he was persistent, he was tenacious. He kept it up, kept it up, and kept it up. Finally by ’94 he’s the newly elected Speaker of the House of Representatives with a Republican majority. So I wouldn’t underestimate him.  link

It’s not Trumpism, per se, but in the 2020s, it is the Fighter’s Caucus, because of the democrat socialists, and whether it is a Reagan, Gingrich or Trump (fighters all, but with different styles), the gOp better get its head out of its arse and get on board to select a fighter to save the nation and its Constitution.  Your voters, not Trump, are the ones who demand it.

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  1. Gary Robbins Reagan
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    Liz Cheney is America’s Margaret Thatcher.

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  2. Gary Robbins Reagan
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    You said:  Joe Biden did not get 81+ million legitimate votes.

    Not only did Joe Biden receive 81+ million votes as certified by 50 state’s Secretaries of State, he won the 2020 election.  

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  3. Columbo Member
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    Hey gOp, Inc. TM!  Beware! Look out when both Nancy Pelosi and John McQueeg’s spawn are attempting to give you advice on how to run your party.

    I will make you pay if you oust Liz Cheney!

    “Perhaps this challenge will make her stronger,” she said. “I don’t know that’s up to their caucus. I don’t welcome their participation in our caucus and I’m sure they don’t welcome my participation in theirs.”

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  4. Columbo Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    You said: Joe Biden did not get 81+ million legitimate votes.

    Not only did Joe Biden receive 81+ million votes as certified by 50 state’s Secretaries of State, he won the 2020 election.

    Gary, what is happening in Arizona with an election audit? Why are Biden and the democrats trying to shut it down? What have they got to hide?

    And … President Reagan was the precursor to President Trump!

    Well, yes, I was a brash upstart, who was originally rejected by the gOp, until I showed them how to win.

    And you must comment on this conversation. Explain Sykes and the Bul****, you aren’t usually so shy.

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  5. Columbo Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Liz Cheney is America’s Margaret Thatcher.

    There he goes again!

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  6. Vince Guerra Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    You said: Joe Biden did not get 81+ million legitimate votes.

    Not only did Joe Biden receive 81+ million votes

    Yet he can’t prove it.

    as certified by 50 state’s Secretaries of State,

    In violation of several states own laws.

    he won the 2020 election.

    But is threatening anyone who dares to question it.

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  7. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Liz Cheney is America’s Margaret Thatcher.

    I tried to bet the amount of my mortgage on who would make the first post here, and how inflammatory it would be.

    Unfortunately, no one would take the bet.

    Oh . . . .just one more thing.  Excellent title, Columbo.

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  8. Fritz Coolidge
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    In my view, while their personalities and backgrounds were very different, one thing that both Reagan and Trump offered was a clear agenda addressing actual issues, to which the electorate gravitated and gave their support.

    Newt too had his “Contract with America,” which drew such strong support that it led to the GOP taking control of the House, which in turn caused Clinton to have to “triangulate” to legislate.

    Good times, good times.

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  9. Taras Coolidge
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Liz Cheney is America’s Margaret Thatcher.

    Probably more accurate to say that Donald Trump is America’s Margaret Thatcher:    the bold conservative undermined by “wets” in her own party.

    Liz Cheney is America’s Lord Randolph Churchill:  “He expected his resignation to be followed by the unconditional surrender of the cabinet, and his restoration to office on his own terms. Instead, Salisbury accepted the resignation, and Churchill was out in the cold.”—Wikipedia.

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  10. kedavis Member
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Liz Cheney is America’s Margaret Thatcher.

    There he goes again!

    Indeed.  And he still thinks “certified” has significant meaning.

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  11. Sisyphus Member
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    Dick Cheney was a key proponent of the war in Iraq, and expenditure of blood and treasure that marked the promulgation of the problematic doctrine of prophylactic war in the post-Soviet dialogue. That morphed into a democracy building project that Bernard Lewis warned against. Trying to plant roses in the Sahara. Anyone else remember Ahmed Chalabi, the man of steel subject of all those bets that withered and blew away in the first stiff wind. Like Lehmann Brothers. But I digress. Cheney was the insider who knew how to drive W’s war chariot into a dubious and unnecessary engagement. 

    That’s Liz’s family legacy. Stepping up as a vocal proponent of the de facto theft of a presidential election? Liz is more of a traitor than her father ever was. Reasonable people may disagree on the merits of the Trump residency, but the theft of an election is unconscionable and unforgivable by free men in a democratic republic. Her family may eventually produce statesmen again, but she is done and her infamy will be long remembered.

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  12. kedavis Member
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Dick Cheney was a key proponent of the war in Iraq, and expenditure of blood and treasure that marked the promulgation of the problematic doctrine of prophylactic war in the post-Soviet dialogue. That morphed into a democracy building project that Bernard Lewis warned against. Trying to plant roses in the Sahara. Anyone else remember Ahmed Chalabi, the man of steel subject of all those bets that withered and blew away in the first stiff wind. Like Lehmann Brothers. But I digress. Cheney was the insider who knew how to drive W’s war chariot into a dubious and unnecessary engagement.

    That’s Liz’s family legacy. Stepping up as a vocal proponent of the de facto theft of a presidential election? Liz is more of a traitor than her father ever was. Reasonable people may disagree on the merits of the Trump residency, but the theft of an election is unconscionable and unforgivable by free men in a democratic republic. Her family may eventually produce statesmen again, but she is done and her infamy will be long remembered.

    Hang on.  Are you saying that her father WAS a statesman, or are there other Cheneys I’m not remembering?

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  13. Sisyphus Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Dick Cheney was a key proponent of the war in Iraq, and expenditure of blood and treasure that marked the promulgation of the problematic doctrine of prophylactic war in the post-Soviet dialogue. That morphed into a democracy building project that Bernard Lewis warned against. Trying to plant roses in the Sahara. Anyone else remember Ahmed Chalabi, the man of steel subject of all those bets that withered and blew away in the first stiff wind. Like Lehmann Brothers. But I digress. Cheney was the insider who knew how to drive W’s war chariot into a dubious and unnecessary engagement.

    That’s Liz’s family legacy. Stepping up as a vocal proponent of the de facto theft of a presidential election? Liz is more of a traitor than her father ever was. Reasonable people may disagree on the merits of the Trump residency, but the theft of an election is unconscionable and unforgivable by free men in a democratic republic. Her family may eventually produce statesmen again, but she is done and her infamy will be long remembered.

    Hang on. Are you saying that her father WAS a statesman, or are there other Cheneys I’m not remembering?

    He not only held a passel of high offices, mostly without disgrace unlike so many of recent memory on both sides of the aisle, Deputy White House Chief of Staff and then Chief of Staff under Ford, ten years representing Wyoming in the House, and Secretary of Defense for almost four years. I never, ever count the Vice Presidency, except that in this instance W put him in the White House and gave him a lot of room to drive policy. I have never seen a sharper debater in Washington than Dick Cheney, he had excellent command of the facts and could embarrass the idiot talking heads all the live long day in interview. He was a delight to watch. If there have been any statesmen since Reagan and Gingrich at the national level of the Republican Party, Cheney is one of them. 

    I count Iraq as a miscalculation and cannot avoid noting that that miscalculation netted his former company Halliburton incalculable rewards. But he never got owned by a Candy Crowley and he was never a member of a Gang of Six. If I’ve overlooked something of substance I am trust the room will refresh my memory.

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  14. kedavis Member
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Dick Cheney was a key proponent of the war in Iraq, and expenditure of blood and treasure that marked the promulgation of the problematic doctrine of prophylactic war in the post-Soviet dialogue. That morphed into a democracy building project that Bernard Lewis warned against. Trying to plant roses in the Sahara. Anyone else remember Ahmed Chalabi, the man of steel subject of all those bets that withered and blew away in the first stiff wind. Like Lehmann Brothers. But I digress. Cheney was the insider who knew how to drive W’s war chariot into a dubious and unnecessary engagement.

    That’s Liz’s family legacy. Stepping up as a vocal proponent of the de facto theft of a presidential election? Liz is more of a traitor than her father ever was. Reasonable people may disagree on the merits of the Trump residency, but the theft of an election is unconscionable and unforgivable by free men in a democratic republic. Her family may eventually produce statesmen again, but she is done and her infamy will be long remembered.

    Hang on. Are you saying that her father WAS a statesman, or are there other Cheneys I’m not remembering?

    He not only held a passel of high offices, mostly without disgrace unlike so many of recent memory on both sides of the aisle, Deputy White House Chief of Staff and then Chief of Staff under Ford, ten years representing Wyoming in the House, and Secretary of Defense for almost four years. I never, ever count the Vice Presidency, except that in this instance W put him in the White House and gave him a lot of room to drive policy. I have never seen a sharper debater in Washington than Dick Cheney, he had excellent command of the facts and could embarrass the idiot talking heads all the live long day in interview. He was a delight to watch. If there have been any statesmen since Reagan and Gingrich at the national level of the Republican Party, Cheney is one of them.

    I count Iraq as a miscalculation and cannot avoid noting that that miscalculation netted his former company Halliburton incalculable rewards. But he never got owned by a Candy Crowley and he was never a member of a Gang of Six. If I’ve overlooked something of substance I am trust the room will refresh my memory.

    I guess I expected someone who thought he was wrong about a long, expensive – in both money and lives – and wrong-headed war, wouldn’t consider that the behavior of a statesman.

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  15. Sisyphus Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    He not only held a passel of high offices, mostly without disgrace unlike so many of recent memory on both sides of the aisle, Deputy White House Chief of Staff and then Chief of Staff under Ford, ten years representing Wyoming in the House, and Secretary of Defense for almost four years. I never, ever count the Vice Presidency, except that in this instance W put him in the White House and gave him a lot of room to drive policy. I have never seen a sharper debater in Washington than Dick Cheney, he had excellent command of the facts and could embarrass the idiot talking heads all the live long day in interview. He was a delight to watch. If there have been any statesmen since Reagan and Gingrich at the national level of the Republican Party, Cheney is one of them.

    I count Iraq as a miscalculation and cannot avoid noting that that miscalculation netted his former company Halliburton incalculable rewards. But he never got owned by a Candy Crowley and he was never a member of a Gang of Six. If I’ve overlooked something of substance I am trust the room will refresh my memory.

    I guess I expected someone who thought he was wrong about a long, expensive – in both money and lives – and wrong-headed war, wouldn’t consider that the behavior of a statesman.

    I blame him for his part in his term of office, and I bear in mind that W’s hope to plant democracy was idealistic and would even have been noble if there were any serious chance for success. Once the race card was played it was inevitable. “Are you saying that Iranians lack the genetic qualities that made white democracies a success?” was a question that was asked. The problem is culture, though, not race, as W could have learned from Bernard Lewis in five minutes. The war ended in 2011 under Obama, although with a suspiciously high number of armed US security forces attached to our embassy there.

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  16. philo Member
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    Liz is not Dick. 

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  17. Vince Guerra Member
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):
    The problem is culture, though, not race, as W could have learned from Bernard Lewis in five minutes. The war ended in 2011 under Obama, although with a suspiciously high number of armed US security forces attached to our embassy there.

    W’s failure was the same as his predecessors. They never intellectually came to realization that there is no changing that region; all you can hope to do is dominate it to secure your own interests. We should have created and reinforced a permanent base in Erbil and told everyone (publicly) to behave or die.

    But maybe that would have been too honest.

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  18. Randy Webster Member
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    philo (View Comment):

    Liz is not Dick.

    Did you mean “Liz is not a dick?”

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  19. Django Member
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    He not only held a passel of high offices, mostly without disgrace unlike so many of recent memory on both sides of the aisle, Deputy White House Chief of Staff and then Chief of Staff under Ford, ten years representing Wyoming in the House, and Secretary of Defense for almost four years. I never, ever count the Vice Presidency, except that in this instance W put him in the White House and gave him a lot of room to drive policy. I have never seen a sharper debater in Washington than Dick Cheney, he had excellent command of the facts and could embarrass the idiot talking heads all the live long day in interview. He was a delight to watch. If there have been any statesmen since Reagan and Gingrich at the national level of the Republican Party, Cheney is one of them.

    I count Iraq as a miscalculation and cannot avoid noting that that miscalculation netted his former company Halliburton incalculable rewards. But he never got owned by a Candy Crowley and he was never a member of a Gang of Six. If I’ve overlooked something of substance I am trust the room will refresh my memory.

    I guess I expected someone who thought he was wrong about a long, expensive – in both money and lives – and wrong-headed war, wouldn’t consider that the behavior of a statesman.

    I blame him for his part in his term of office, and I bear in mind that W’s hope to plant democracy was idealistic and would even have been noble if there were any serious chance for success. Once the race card was played it was inevitable. “Are you saying that Iranians lack the genetic qualities that made white democracies a success?” was a question that was asked. The problem is culture, though, not race, as W could have learned from Bernard Lewis in five minutes. The war ended in 2011 under Obama, although with a suspiciously high number of armed US security forces attached to our embassy there.

    Who talked W into that war? I remember him saying, “When people are hurting, government has to move”, and he was committed to amnesty for illegals, but beyond those two points, I got the feeling he had no core beliefs. Just another RINO loser to me. 

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  20. CorbinGlassauer Inactive
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    W’s failure was the same as his predecessors. They never intellectually came to realization that there is no changing that region

    Do you reeaaally think that they thought that?

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  21. Django Member
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    CorbinGlassauer (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    W’s failure was the same as his predecessors. They never intellectually came to realization that there is no changing that region

    Do you reeaaally think that they thought that?

    It’s getting to be quite a while ago, but I remember the term “neo-con” which, as far as I could tell, was a liberal warmonger. I seem to remember a lot of that type telling W that he could make a name for himself by bringing democracy to the region. We would be welcomed like liberators. How did that work out? 

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  22. Vince Guerra Member
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    CorbinGlassauer (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    W’s failure was the same as his predecessors. They never intellectually came to realization that there is no changing that region

    Do you reeaaally think that they thought that?

    If he knew it he never said so and didn’t act upon it. Personally I don’t think he thought much about long term aims and merely reacted to events as they unfolded, which is why 2004 was such a mess, and necessitated the surge, and why he put so much trust in al-Maliki, and why he never missed an opportunity to praise Islam. 

    React, adapt, react, adapt. There was no stratigery, so to speak. 

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  23. Taras Coolidge
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    CorbinGlassauer (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    W’s failure was the same as his predecessors. They never intellectually came to realization that there is no changing that region

    Do you reeaaally think that they thought that?

    If he knew it he never said so and didn’t act upon it. Personally I don’t think he thought much about long term aims and merely reacted to events as they unfolded, which is why 2004 was such a mess, and necessitated the surge, and why he put so much trust in al-Maliki, and why he never missed an opportunity to praise Islam.

    React, adapt, react, adapt. There was no stratigery, so to speak.

    I have sometimes wondered why there was no Nazi insurgency in Germany after World War II.

    One of the factors may have been that most of the dedicated Nazis were killed in the bloody fighting leading up to the occupation. Unfortunately, this was certainly not the case in Iraq.

    Perhaps most importantly, there were no neighboring governments ready to support a Nazi insurgency.  By contrast, both Syria and Iran saw American success in Iraq as an existential threat.

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  24. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Liz Cheney is America’s Margaret Thatcher.

    Liz Cheney is America’s Vidkun Quisling.

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  25. Django Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Liz Cheney is America’s Margaret Thatcher.

    Liz Cheney is America’s Vidkun Quisling.

    My hope is that after  this week it won’t matter which she is and that she will be in the dustbin. 

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  26. Columbo Member
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    Bye Liz. Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split ya!

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/mccarthy-announces-vote-to-oust-liz-cheney-from-leadership/

     

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  27. Columbo Member
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    philo (View Comment):

    Liz is not Dick.

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  28. Taras Coolidge
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    Bye Liz. Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split ya!

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/mccarthy-announces-vote-to-oust-liz-cheney-from-leadership/

     

    “[Y]ou should anticipate a vote on recalling the Conference Chair on Wednesday.”

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  29. Baker Member
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    If you think Cheney is mushy middle, your only guiding principle is fealty to one guy. That’s not good.

    You can argue she just shouldn’t say anything about Jan. 6 or the election but you can’t say she’s not conservative.

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  30. W Bob Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    You said: Joe Biden did not get 81+ million legitimate votes.

    Not only did Joe Biden receive 81+ million votes as certified by 50 state’s Secretaries of State, he won the 2020 election.

    He won in the formal sense that the states certified the requisite number of electoral votes. But since the election security measures in many states are a joke, no one really knows who “really” won. It’s just as wrong to say that Biden “really” won as it is to say that he didn’t. Which means that when you say that Biden won, you’re doing exactly what you accuse Trump Big Lie promoters of doing. Just like Liz Cheney.

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