The Indirect (Sneaky) Vaccine Mandate in Pennsylvania

 

You know the line that every child has been told: You may go out and play if you eat all your vegetables. 

In Pennsylvania, Gov. Tom Wolf has declared that everyone must continue masking up until 70 percent of the population aged 18 and older get vaccinated.  I believe the figure now stands at about 50 percent. We’ll see whether it flatlines.

If people want to get their shots, fine. Vaccines have generally been a big step forward for humankind, and COVID vaccines may be wondrous, though they appear less wondrous once you consider the absolute rather than the relative reduction in disease burden. Let’s not go into all that here, nor any safety questions. Suffice it to say that a lot of people, including some people in the media, have no idea what they mean when they say a vaccine is 72% or 94% or 95% “effective.”

Wolf can be authoritarian. With this latest diktat, he shows he can be sneaky, too: He will use one part of the population, the vaccinated, to put pressure on another, the unvaccinated.

I’m scheduled to get my shots, but this governor may have just moved me to cancel. I’ll decide whether to eat my vegetables and I’ll go out and play whenever I wish. 

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  1. Boney Cole Member
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    Listen to the Delingpole podcast with the  former Pfizer Vice President.  It is the most sensible explanation on who should, and who need not, get the this experimental vaccine. Personally, I would not pressure any young person, and particularly any young woman anticipating having children, to take the vaccine until the trials are over (around 2023 I think). 

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  2. JoelB Member
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    You’re not the boss of me, Tom. (anymore)

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  3. Franco Member
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    Why isn’t the punishment for not getting vaxed sickness and possibly death? What’s the problem????

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  4. Vince Guerra Member
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    Tom Wolf is a national disgrace. You guys should follow the CA example and remove him. 

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  5. The Reticulator Member
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    I’d like to see 70 percent, too, but I’m not sure we’re going to get there, or even that it’s necessary. Even Israel seems to be asymptoting (to coin a term) at around 63 percent.  And it has brought its case and death numbers way down below where any lockdown and mandatory masking measures would seem to be justified. The United Kingdom has 51.46 percent of its population vaccinated. It’s not clear where its asymptote will be, but probably no higher than Israel’s.   And its covid numbers are looking good, too.

    Pennsylvania’s governor’s demands seem unreasonable. He also is acting like a bully. He probably knows good and well that his mandates are going to reduce voluntary vaccinations.  He may need to learn that no, he is not going to get to order people to be vaccinated.  He needs to get his jollies some other way.

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  6. Fritz Coolidge
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    Here is Western Washington, the trend now is heading towards enforced segregation of the vaxxed from the unvaxxed, such that a family some of whose members have been vaccinated but others have not (even if they have recovered from covid themselves) will not be allowed to sit together at a Mariners game. There will be separate sections in the stands. It is ridiculous. No word yet on how the tickets will be differentiated — perhaps a bright yellow star? /sarc

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  7. She Reagan
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    Tom Wolf is a catastrophe.  I hope, though, that people make a decision as to whether or not they are going to get the vaccination based on their own feelings about it, whether or not it’s right for them, whether they have ethical or moral objections, or whether or not they think, given their age or state of health, they actually need it.  I think it’s a less than good idea to base a decision such as this on a reaction to what a politician said or didn’t say, did or didn’t do. 

    JoelB (View Comment):

    You’re not the boss of me, Tom. (anymore)

    I’m in PA, and I don’t consider Tom the boss of me, either.  That’s why I made my own decision about what to do WRT vaccines and masks.  Some of my friends made the same ones, some of them didn’t.  They’re all still my friends, though, and I suspect that, over time, many others will follow their consciences and make good judgements, too.

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  8. RichardKoenig Coolidge
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    She (View Comment):

    Tom Wolf is a catastrophe. I hope, though, that people make a decision as to whether or not they are going to get the vaccination based on their own feelings about it, whether or not it’s right for them, whether they have ethical or moral objections, or whether or not they think, given their age or state of health, they actually need it. I think it’s a less than good idea to base a decision such as this on a reaction to what a politician said or didn’t say, did or didn’t do.

    JoelB (View Comment):

    You’re not the boss of me, Tom. (anymore)

    I’m in PA, and I don’t consider Tom the boss of me, either. That’s why I made my own decision about what to do WRT vaccines and masks. Some of my friends made the same ones, some of them didn’t. They’re all still my friends, though, and I suspect that, over time, many others will follow their consciences and make good judgements, too.

    She (View Comment):

    Tom Wolf is a catastrophe. I hope, though, that people make a decision as to whether or not they are going to get the vaccination based on their own feelings about it, whether or not it’s right for them, whether they have ethical or moral objections, or whether or not they think, given their age or state of health, they actually need it. I think it’s a less than good idea to base a decision such as this on a reaction to what a politician said or didn’t say, did or didn’t do.

    JoelB (View Comment):

    You’re not the boss of me, Tom. (anymore)

    I’m in PA, and I don’t consider Tom the boss of me, either. That’s why I made my own decision about what to do WRT vaccines and masks. Some of my friends made the same ones, some of them didn’t. They’re all still my friends, though, and I suspect that, over time, many others will follow their consciences and make good judgements, too.

    Agree that simply being irked by Wolf shouldn’t decide you. But if you’re on the fence, and can argue yes or no equally well, then getting a chance to resist his continuing nonsense might be enough to tip you to one side.

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  9. Vince Guerra Member
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    RichardKoenig (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):

    Tom Wolf is a catastrophe. I hope, though, that people make a decision as to whether or not they are going to get the vaccination based on their own feelings about it, whether or not it’s right for them, whether they have ethical or moral objections, or whether or not they think, given their age or state of health, they actually need it. I think it’s a less than good idea to base a decision such as this on a reaction to what a politician said or didn’t say, did or didn’t do.

    JoelB (View Comment):

    You’re not the boss of me, Tom. (anymore)

    I’m in PA, and I don’t consider Tom the boss of me, either. That’s why I made my own decision about what to do WRT vaccines and masks. Some of my friends made the same ones, some of them didn’t. They’re all still my friends, though, and I suspect that, over time, many others will follow their consciences and make good judgements, too.

    She (View Comment):

    Tom Wolf is a catastrophe. I hope, though, that people make a decision as to whether or not they are going to get the vaccination based on their own feelings about it, whether or not it’s right for them, whether they have ethical or moral objections, or whether or not they think, given their age or state of health, they actually need it. I think it’s a less than good idea to base a decision such as this on a reaction to what a politician said or didn’t say, did or didn’t do.

    JoelB (View Comment):

    You’re not the boss of me, Tom. (anymore)

    I’m in PA, and I don’t consider Tom the boss of me, either. That’s why I made my own decision about what to do WRT vaccines and masks. Some of my friends made the same ones, some of them didn’t. They’re all still my friends, though, and I suspect that, over time, many others will follow their consciences and make good judgements, too.

    Agree that simply being irked by Wolf shouldn’t decide you. But if you’re on the fence, and can argue yes or no equally well, then getting a chance to resist his continuing nonsense might be enough to tip you to one side.

    If the fact that’s not so much a vaccine as it is experimental gene therapy, isn’t.

    Dr Mike Yeadon, former CSO and VP, Allergy and Respiratory Research Head with Pfizer Global R&D and co-Founder of Ziarco Pharma Ltd, talks about his grave concerns about the Coronavirus jab https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-fxdut-ff643b

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  10. The Reticulator Member
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    If the fact that’s not so much a vaccine as it is experimental gene therapy, isn’t.

    Sounds like the guy has no idea what vaccines are or what gene therapy is. 

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  11. JamesSalerno Coolidge
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    RichardKoenig (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):

    Tom Wolf is a catastrophe. I hope, though, that people make a decision as to whether or not they are going to get the vaccination based on their own feelings about it, whether or not it’s right for them, whether they have ethical or moral objections, or whether or not they think, given their age or state of health, they actually need it. I think it’s a less than good idea to base a decision such as this on a reaction to what a politician said or didn’t say, did or didn’t do.

    JoelB (View Comment):

    You’re not the boss of me, Tom. (anymore)

    I’m in PA, and I don’t consider Tom the boss of me, either. That’s why I made my own decision about what to do WRT vaccines and masks. Some of my friends made the same ones, some of them didn’t. They’re all still my friends, though, and I suspect that, over time, many others will follow their consciences and make good judgements, too.

    She (View Comment):

    Tom Wolf is a catastrophe. I hope, though, that people make a decision as to whether or not they are going to get the vaccination based on their own feelings about it, whether or not it’s right for them, whether they have ethical or moral objections, or whether or not they think, given their age or state of health, they actually need it. I think it’s a less than good idea to base a decision such as this on a reaction to what a politician said or didn’t say, did or didn’t do.

    JoelB (View Comment):

    You’re not the boss of me, Tom. (anymore)

    I’m in PA, and I don’t consider Tom the boss of me, either. That’s why I made my own decision about what to do WRT vaccines and masks. Some of my friends made the same ones, some of them didn’t. They’re all still my friends, though, and I suspect that, over time, many others will follow their consciences and make good judgements, too.

    Agree that simply being irked by Wolf shouldn’t decide you. But if you’re on the fence, and can argue yes or no equally well, then getting a chance to resist his continuing nonsense might be enough to tip you to one side.

    If the fact that’s not so much a vaccine as it is experimental gene therapy, isn’t.

    Dr Mike Yeadon, former CSO and VP, Allergy and Respiratory Research Head with Pfizer Global R&D and co-Founder of Ziarco Pharma Ltd, talks about his grave concerns about the Coronavirus jab https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-fxdut-ff643b

    I’m doing everything I can to stop calling it a “vaccine” and getting others on board. It’s not a vaccine. Call it gene therapy.

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  12. The Reticulator Member
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    JamesSalerno (View Comment):
    I’m doing everything I can to stop calling it a “vaccine” and getting others on board. It’s not a vaccine. Call it gene therapy.

    I’m going to tell people to stop calling it an injection and starting calling it an aardvark.  I dare anyone to do better than that. 

    (It does use some of the same technology as gene therapy.) 

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  13. Vince Guerra Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    If the fact that’s not so much a vaccine as it is experimental gene therapy, isn’t.

    Sounds like the guy has no idea what vaccines are or what gene therapy is.

    My words, not his, but he may had said that too.  He’s got plenty of  reasons why not to get that injection. One reason being that it’s completely unnecessary.

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  14. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member
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    In Illinois Governor Fatso is doing something similar.  The way that clubs, restaurants and venues can get around capacity limits is through vaccine status.  Vaccinated people don’t count toward capacity restrictions.  But the onus is on the venue operators to know if someone has gotten the jab.  Venues want you to send a copy of your vaccine record for them to keep on file.  I don’t know how that will work for churches, as you have to have a ticket to attend services.  Chicago is going full-vaccine passport.  The state is forcing businesses to do their dirty work for them.

    Prickster has been issuing executive orders every 30 days.  Save for the first, they are all illegal.  However, no court will, or can, do anything to stop the madness.  We will be living under executive orders until Tubby can get himself reelected.

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  15. The Reticulator Member
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    Here’s an idea. We should tell people that although they are like vaccines, they are a little different than previous vaccines. So we shouldn’t call them vaccines.

    Instead, we should tell them to call them experimental gene therapy, because although they are like gene therapy, they are a little different than other gene therapies.  

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  16. The Reticulator Member
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    If the fact that’s not so much a vaccine as it is experimental gene therapy, isn’t.

    Sounds like the guy has no idea what vaccines are or what gene therapy is.

    My words, not his, but he may had said that too. He’s got plenty of reasons why not to get that injection. One reason being that it’s completely unnecessary.

    So he’s not afraid of sars-cov-2, but he’s deathly afraid of a tiny little portion of rna from sars-cov-2.  

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  17. Doctor Robert Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):
    If the fact that’s not so much a vaccine as it is experimental gene therapy, isn’t.

    Sounds like the guy has no idea what vaccines are or what gene therapy is.

    My words, not his, but he may had said that too. He’s got plenty of reasons why not to get that injection. One reason being that it’s completely unnecessary.

    So he’s not afraid of sars-cov-2, but he’s deathly afraid of a tiny little portion of rna from sars-cov-2.

    He’s right to be.  The sars-cov-2 would land on his pulmonary epithelium, grab hold tenaciously (thank to the Wuhan Lab’s enhancements of the spike proteins), and then either be fought off by the immune system or cause disease.  If it causes disease, he has a 99 or so % chance of recovering.

    The mRNA will be internalized into all his cells, resulting in the placement of those same spike proteins in his own cells.  His immune system then may react to those foreign proteins a year or five years from now in ways we cannot anticipate. He may end up with a vasculitis or a pneumonitis.  No one knows.

    These 2-part vaccines are indeed experimental gene therapy, and no one with an expected longevity of more than a decade or so should take one.  Let someone else be the Guinea pig.

     

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  18. The Reticulator Member
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    The mRNA will be internalized into all his cells, resulting in the placement of those same spike proteins in his own cells.  His immune system then may react to those foreign proteins a year or five years from now in ways we cannot anticipate. He may end up with a vasculitis or a pneumonitis.  No one knows.

    Into some of his cells, yes, but what is the mechanism for getting into all of his cells?  

    Sars-cov-2 will also (in many cases) get into some of his cells before getting fought off by the immune system. It’s not that binary, is it?  And in the cases where it does cause disease, it definitely will get into cells, and more of them.  So how are those proteins not going to cause a reaction a year or five years from now in ways that we cannot anticipate? 

     

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  19. CorbinGlassauer Inactive
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    This Salk Foundation report goes out of its way to not be anti-vaccine but it does show that the greatest risk from Covid is the spike proteins.

    *******

    “April 30, 2021

    “The novel coronavirus’ spike protein plays additional key role in illness

    “Salk researchers and collaborators show how the protein damages cells, confirming COVID-19 as a primarily vascular disease

    “LA JOLLA—Scientists have known for a while that SARS-CoV-2’s distinctive “spike” proteins help the virus infect its host by latching on to healthy cells. Now, a major new study shows that the virus spike proteins (which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines) also play a key role in the disease itself.

    “The paper, published on April 30, 2021, in Circulation Research, also shows conclusively that COVID-19 is a vascular disease, demonstrating exactly how the SARS-CoV-2 virus damages and attacks the vascular system on a cellular level. The findings help explain COVID-19’s wide variety of seemingly unconnected complications, and could open the door for new research into more effective therapies.”

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  20. Skyler Coolidge
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    Let’s hope that one result from this national debacle is to take back governors’ emergency powers.

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  21. RufusRJones Member
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    Thinking this through.

    The risk is a variant gets loose. I don’t think there are other risks. I suppose it also depends on how long the shot protects the vulnerable.

    Correct me if I’m wrong.

     

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  22. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    It strikes me as perfectly reasonable to set a vaccination threshold as the criterion for relaxing Covid restrictions.  We can debate what the threshold should be, but in concept, this seems well supported by the idea of herd immunity.

    Let’s carry out the vegetables analogy to its logical endpoint.  I think it’s sensible for parents to tell their kids to eat their vegetables.

    It do not think it’s sensible for an adult, who already understands that he needs to eat his vegetables, to decide to eat a bunch of Cheetos instead, because his elderly mother nags him about the vegetable thing.

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  23. RufusRJones Member
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    What is the difference between this situation and the flu? It seems like every year they guess the flu formula good enough and people get the shot enough that it isn’t a big crisis. How often do we have a flu crisis? How do you make that comparison? It seems like they should talk like that.

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  24. Skyler Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    It strikes me as perfectly reasonable to set a vaccination threshold as the criterion for relaxing Covid restrictions. We can debate what the threshold should be, but in concept, this seems well supported by the idea of herd immunity.

    Let’s carry out the vegetables analogy to its logical endpoint. I think it’s sensible for parents to tell their kids to eat their vegetables.

    It do not think it’s sensible for an adult, who already understands that he needs to eat his vegetables, to decide to eat a bunch of Cheetos instead, because his elderly mother nags him about the vegetable thing.

    The analogy is stupid because we are not children and the government is not our parents.  For shame that any American makes such a comparison.

     

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  25. ToryWarWriter Thatcher
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    She (View Comment):

    Tom Wolf is a catastrophe. I hope, though, that people make a decision as to whether or not they are going to get the vaccination based on their own feelings about it, whether or not it’s right for them, whether they have ethical or moral objections, or whether or not they think, given their age or state of health, they actually need it. I think it’s a less than good idea to base a decision such as this on a reaction to what a politician said or didn’t say, did or didn’t do.

    JoelB (View Comment):

    You’re not the boss of me, Tom. (anymore)

    I’m in PA, and I don’t consider Tom the boss of me, either. That’s why I made my own decision about what to do WRT vaccines and masks. Some of my friends made the same ones, some of them didn’t. They’re all still my friends, though, and I suspect that, over time, many others will follow their consciences and make good judgements, too.

    You guys need to make Doug Mastriano governor and fix this.

    Though at 70 percent that looks to be herd immunity.  So I suspect that no more than 20 percent of people are truly that anti-vax.  So we should be fine.

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