Quote of the Day: From the Book of Judges

 

. . . The trees once went out to anoint a king over them, and they said to the olive tree, “Reign over us.” But the olive tree said to them, “Shall I leave my abundance, by which gods and men are honored, and go hold sway over the trees?” And the trees said to the fig tree, “You come and reign over us.” But the fig tree said to them, “Shall I leave my sweetness and my good fruit and go hold sway over the trees?” And the trees said to the vine, “You come and reign over us.” But the vine said to them, “Shall I leave my wine that cheers God and men and go hold sway over the trees?” Then all the trees said to the bramble, “You come and reign over us.” And the bramble said to the trees, “If in good faith you are anointing me king over you, then come and take refuge in my shade, but if not, let fire come out of the bramble and devour the cedars of Lebanon.”

–Jotham, son of Gideon, protesting the murder of his brothers and the crowning of his brother Abimelech as king in Judges 9, ESV

There’s a lot of context that we should look at carefully if we want to try to get any theology out of this passage, or even any detailed conclusions about a theory of government.

But it’s an interesting illustration, isn’t it?

Who has time to be a ruler and isn’t already doing something more useful?  It’s often the least useful people, whose elevation to greater power only leads to trouble.

Reminds me of that silly joke I found at Stupid.com back when Stupid.com was still a website: If con is the opposite of pro, what’s the opposite of progress?

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  1. Percival Thatcher
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    We want Congress to impede “progress.”

    Don’t just do something; stand there.

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  2. Saint Augustine Member
    Saint Augustine
    @SaintAugustine

    Saint Augustine:

    Reminds me of that silly joke I found at Stupid.com back when Stupid.com was still a website: If con is the opposite of pro, what’s the opposite of progress?

    Not that I would count Congress as the worst bit of government.

    And not that every notion of “progress” is a correct one.

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  3. Saint Augustine Member
    Saint Augustine
    @SaintAugustine

    Percival (View Comment):

    We want Congress to impede “progress.”

    Don’t just do something; stand there.

    Indeed.

    You beat me to it!

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  4. Chuck Coolidge
    Chuck
    @Chuckles

    Not sure why, but your comments made me think of the Asimov short story “Franchise”, which I would have read in the anthology “Earth is Room Enough”.

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  5. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    “But if we have a president of one party and a congress of another, we’ll have gridlock.”

    “Yes. Yes we will. It will be restful.”

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  6. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Saint Augustine:

    . . . The trees once went out to anoint a king over them, and they said to the olive tree, “Reign over us.” But the olive tree said to them, “Shall I leave my abundance, by which gods and men are honored, and go hold sway over the trees?” And the trees said to the fig tree, “You come and reign over us.” But the fig tree said to them, “Shall I leave my sweetness and my good fruit and go hold sway over the trees?” And the trees said to the vine, “You come and reign over us.” But the vine said to them, “Shall I leave my wine that cheers God and men and go hold sway over the trees?” Then all the trees said to the bramble, “You come and reign over us.” And the bramble said to the trees, “If in good faith you are anointing me king over you, then come and take refuge in my shade, but if not, let fire come out of the bramble and devour the cedars of Lebanon.”

    –Jotham, son of Gideon, protesting the murder of his brothers and the crowning of his brother Abimelech as king in Judges 9, ESV

    SNIP

    Reminds me of that silly joke I found at Stupid.com back when Stupid.com was still a website: If con is the opposite of pro, what’s the opposite of progress?

    What a wonderful surprise of a gift on this Mother’s Day.

    Both the Biblical tale and the joke from stupid.com

     

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  7. Saint Augustine Member
    Saint Augustine
    @SaintAugustine

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine:

    . . . The trees once went out to anoint a king over them, and they said to the olive tree, “Reign over us.” But the olive tree said to them, “Shall I leave my abundance, by which gods and men are honored, and go hold sway over the trees?” And the trees said to the fig tree, “You come and reign over us.” But the fig tree said to them, “Shall I leave my sweetness and my good fruit and go hold sway over the trees?” And the trees said to the vine, “You come and reign over us.” But the vine said to them, “Shall I leave my wine that cheers God and men and go hold sway over the trees?” Then all the trees said to the bramble, “You come and reign over us.” And the bramble said to the trees, “If in good faith you are anointing me king over you, then come and take refuge in my shade, but if not, let fire come out of the bramble and devour the cedars of Lebanon.”

    –Jotham, son of Gideon, protesting the murder of his brothers and the crowning of his brother Abimelech as king in Judges 9, ESV

    SNIP

    Reminds me of that silly joke I found at Stupid.com back when Stupid.com was still a website: If con is the opposite of pro, what’s the opposite of progress?

    What a wonderful surprise of a gift on this Mother’s Day.

    Both the Biblical tale and the joke from stupid.com

    Glad to hear it.

    But I’m just enough of a jerk to go by my time zones. It’s Monday‘s quote of the day in Hong Kong.

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  8. She Member
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    @She

    Saint Augustine: Reminds me of that silly joke I found at Stupid.com back when Stupid.com was still a website: If con is the opposite of pro, what’s the opposite of progress?

    Hm. Sounds pretty smart to me.

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  9. Living High and Wide Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    We want Congress to impede “progress.”

    Don’t just do something; stand there.

    Don’t just stand there; spend something.

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  10. The Reticulator Member
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    Living High and Wide (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    We want Congress to impede “progress.”

    Don’t just do something; stand there.

    Don’t just stand there; spend something.

    For Congress, those two words are redundant.

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  11. Allie Hahn Coolidge
    Allie Hahn
    @AllieHahn

    I guess it’s been a while since I’ve read Judges. I don’t remember this at all! 😅 Makes me think of the song “The Trees” by Rush. 

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