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  1. Chris Oler Coolidge
    Chris Oler
    @ChrisO

    Yes, but…99 percent of species that have ever existed are extinct!!

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/mass-extinction

    And their disappearance made room for us. Yay!

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  2. DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) Coolidge
    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!)
    @DonG

    Have you seen this book?

     

    Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All

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  3. Mark Alexander Coolidge
    Mark Alexander
    @MarkAlexander

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Have you seen this book?

     

    And heard him interviewed.

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  4. Seawriter Contributor
    Seawriter
    @Seawriter

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Have you seen this book?

     

    Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All

    I reviewed it here. I also reviewed The Bet, and A Climate of Crisis. Among others.

     

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  5. kylez Member
    kylez
    @kylez

    “How dare you!!!”

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  6. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    Chris Oler (View Comment):

    Yes, but…99 percent of species that have ever existed are extinct!!

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/mass-extinction

    And their disappearance made room for us. Yay!

    It’s bad enough some joggers in California run into mountain lions.  Can you imagine running into a T-rex?

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  7. JoelB Member
    JoelB
    @JoelB

    Isn’t it great that Earth Day raised awareness to the point where these horrible things were prevented? What a success!

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  8. Chris Oler Coolidge
    Chris Oler
    @ChrisO

    Stad (View Comment):

    Chris Oler (View Comment):

    Yes, but…99 percent of species that have ever existed are extinct!!

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/mass-extinction

    And their disappearance made room for us. Yay!

    It’s bad enough some joggers in California run into mountain lions. Can you imagine running into a T-rex?

    Pretty sure you wouldn’t call them “joggers.” “Survivalists” or “evaders” or “deathwish adrenaline junkies,” and most certainly “runners.”

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  9. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
    GlennAmurgis
    @GlennAmurgis

    Every Earth day, I re-read this article from Walter Williams 

     

    https://triblive.com/opinion/walter-williams-so-many-environmental-predictions-grossly-wrong/

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  10. Mark Alexander Coolidge
    Mark Alexander
    @MarkAlexander

    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    Every Earth day, I re-read this article from Walter Williams

     

    https://triblive.com/opinion/walter-williams-so-many-environmental-predictions-grossly-wrong/

    And this: https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

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  11. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    Climatologists are used to being wrong.

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  12. KCVolunteer Lincoln
    KCVolunteer
    @KCVolunteer

    What’s important is how scary the prediction is, and whether you back it up with rhetoric.

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  13. StoughtonObserver Inactive
    StoughtonObserver
    @Bruce W Banerdt

    2 words, Tony Heller. If you haven’t checked into his videos you’re really missing out.

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  14. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    StoughtonObserver (View Comment):

    2 words, Tony Heller. If you haven’t checked into his videos you’re really missing out.

    Is there some law of thermodynamics that is giving them bad assumptions wrt climate?

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  15. kedavis Inactive
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Stina (View Comment):

    Climatologists are used to being wrong.

    That’s a prediction far easier to make with accuracy, than anything the climatologists predict.

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  16. StoughtonObserver Inactive
    StoughtonObserver
    @Bruce W Banerdt

    Stina (View Comment):

    StoughtonObserver (View Comment):

    2 words, Tony Heller. If you haven’t checked into his videos you’re really missing out.

    Is there some law of thermodynamics that is giving them bad assumptions wrt climate?

    No. Just flat out manipulation of data.

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  17. Mark Alexander Coolidge
    Mark Alexander
    @MarkAlexander

    StoughtonObserver (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    StoughtonObserver (View Comment):

    2 words, Tony Heller. If you haven’t checked into his videos you’re really missing out.

    Is there some law of thermodynamics that is giving them bad assumptions wrt climate?

    No. Just flat out manipulation of data.

    Climate scientists, who wouldn’t be able to make a living, will be the first to tell you that more taxpayer-funded research needs to be done. Otherwise, game over.

    big bucks to be made in the continuing crisis…

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  18. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    StoughtonObserver (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    StoughtonObserver (View Comment):

    2 words, Tony Heller. If you haven’t checked into his videos you’re really missing out.

    Is there some law of thermodynamics that is giving them bad assumptions wrt climate?

    No. Just flat out manipulation of data.

    I was thinking along the lines of heat can’t be destroyed. Are they assuming that heat is constantly being built up in our atmosphere and never dissipates? Are they not understanding what makes winter cold? Do they think the reason it still gets cold in winter is because the oceans absorb the heat, so they must be getting warmer, so melting ice caps? Do they think carbon in the atmosphere prevents more heat escape?

    If the atmosphere never lets heat escape to space, then I can see why they would think the earth is perpetually getting warmer and all of this is just to slow it down. And so they manipulate data to convince others it’s happening. But their assumption is that it MUST happen or the world makes no sense.

    Hence my question… are they missing something leading to a questionable assumption?

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  19. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Stina (View Comment):

    StoughtonObserver (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    StoughtonObserver (View Comment):

    2 words, Tony Heller. If you haven’t checked into his videos you’re really missing out.

    Is there some law of thermodynamics that is giving them bad assumptions wrt climate?

    No. Just flat out manipulation of data.

    I was thinking along the lines of heat can’t be destroyed. Are they assuming that heat is constantly being built up in our atmosphere and never dissipates? Are they not understanding what makes winter cold? Do they think the reason it still gets cold in winter is because the oceans absorb the heat, so they must be getting warmer, so melting ice caps? Do they think carbon in the atmosphere prevents more heat escape?

    If the atmosphere never lets heat escape to space, then I can see why they would think the earth is perpetually getting warmer and all of this is just to slow it down. And so they manipulate data to convince others it’s happening. But their assumption is that it MUST happen or the world makes no sense.

    Hence my question… are they missing something leading to a questionable assumption?

    The idea is quite simple:  the higher the percentage of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, the slower the Earth radiates heat into space.  Other things being equal, the Earth’s average temperature should rise.  Exactly how much and how quickly is the question.

    Our problem is that we are used to living in an Ice Age. We built many of our cities on what is actually continental shelf, so that if all the ice melts, returning the Earth to the way it was for most of its history, the seas will also return to their original levels.

    Check out Seawriter’s link to his review of Shellenberger in #4, above.

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  20. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    Taras (View Comment):
    The idea is quite simple:  the higher the percentage of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, the slower the Earth radiates heat into space.  Other things being equal, the Earth’s average temperature should rise.  Exactly how much and how quickly is the question.

    Thing is, greenhouses have an awesome effect – plants grow faster. And the more plants, greenery, and trees, the more carbon dioxide they pull from the atmosphere, leading to a decrease in greenhouse gases trapping heat.

    I’m good with an earth day that tries to convert abandoned concrete lots back into green spaces. I can get behind tree planting and gardening campaigns. But it seems to me most see no power there, so they don’t put effort into it.

    The self correction may not be perfect, but it does exist and we should be promoting it.

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