Yakub and the Origins of the White Race

 

I have an interesting story to tell you.

About 6,600 years ago, all people in the world were black.  They generally lived in peace and harmony, although about 30% were somehow dissatisfied.  At that time, a black scientist named Yakub was living in Mecca.

Yakub led a group of 59,999 followers to the Greek island of Patmos, also called Pelan, where he instituted a human breeding program that lasted 600 years, carried on by his followers after Yakub’s death.  They systematically killed the darker-skinned babies and bred the lighter-skinned babies.  In this way, they selectively bred all of the non-black races: first the brown people, then the red (American Indians), then the yellow (East Asians), and finally the whites.

Yakub was an evil genius whose motives seem a bit unclear.  But he wanted to produce white people, who are devils whose purpose is to persecute and kill the righteous, who are the black nation.

It was prophesied that the white devils, the progeny of Yakub, were destined to rule the earth for 6,000 years.  Jesus condemned them 2,000 years ago.  The white devils were bottled up in Europe for about 1,000 years by Muhammad (may the peace of Allah be upon him) and his successors.

But the white devils have been loose for 400 years.  These devils have tried to deceive the people all over the earth with Christianity, which is a religion organized and backed by the white devils for the purpose of making slaves of black mankind.  The white race was created to be the enemy of black mankind for 6,000 years, but the separation and War of Armageddon are at hand.

We know this because God in person, sometimes called the Messiah or the Mahdi, appeared in America, coming from the Holy City Mecca in 1930.  He was persecuted and jailed in America in the 1930s.  God in person was a black American man named Wallace Fard Muhammad, who taught the religion of peace, Islam.

Has anyone heard this story before?

As far as I can tell, this is the actual theology of the Nation of Islam, as professed by Elijah Muhammad, its long-time leader who died in 1975.  His son, Warith Deen Muhammad, assumed leadership after his death and sought to move the organization toward a more standard Sunni Islam, but this was unsuccessful, and Louis Farrakhan assumed leadership in 1981.  Muhammad Ali (the boxer) was a prominent believer in this theology.  He was honored as the American chosen to light the Olympic torch at the 1996 games in Atlanta.

Until yesterday, I had no idea that these were the beliefs of the Nation of Islam.  I admit that I hadn’t looked into the issue in much detail.  I had the general impression that Farrakhan was a rather odious guy, something of a black supremacist, and often castigated as anti-Semitic (though it’s not clear that NoI theology is more hostile toward Jews than it is toward whites in general).  I heard an outline of this story in Prof. Wilfred Reilly’s fine book, Taboo, which I’ve been enjoying in audio format.

Sources:

There’s a Wikipedia page here about Yakub.  I know, Wikipedia may be dubious, so I looked a bit further.

I found several official Nation of Islam sources supporting the story.  Here is their “Brief history on the origin of the Nation of Islam.” Here is their “A historic look at the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad.”    Here is their “The Muslim Program,” which explains “What The Muslims Want.”  Here is a 2015 article, “Echoes of Mr. Yakup after Patmos,” by the Nation of Islam Research Group.

If you can endure it, here is a pdf version of Elijah Muhammad’s book, “Message To The Blackman in America by Elijah Muhammad (Messenger of Allah).”  Paper versions of the book are available on Amazon (and presumably elsewhere), but I cannot personally attest to the accuracy of the pdf version.

Here are some quotes from Message to the Blackman in America (page references are to the pdf version linked above):

“You originally came from the God of Righteousness and have the opportunity to return, while the devils are from the man devil (Yakub), who has ruled the world for the past 6,000 years under falsehood, labeled under the name of God and His prophets.  The wort thing to ever happen to the devils is: the truth of them made manifest that they are really the devils whom the righteous (all members of the black nation) should shun and never accept as truthful guides of God!  This is why the devils have always persecuted and killed the righteous.  But the time has at last arrived that Allah (God) will put an end to their persecuting and killing the righteous (the black nation).”  Chapter 3, page 18.

“Read and study the above chapter of John 8:42, all of you, who are Christians, believers in the Bible and Jesus, as you say.  If you understand it right, you will agree with me that the whole Caucasian race is a race of devils.  They have proved to be devils in the garden of Paradise and were condemned 4,000 years later by Jesus.  Likewise, they are condemned today, by the Great Mahdi Muhammad, as being nothing but devils in the plainest language.”  Chapter 13, p. 29.

“Your misunderstanding and misinterpretation of it is really the joy of devils.  For it is the devils’ desire to keep the so-called Negroes ignorant of the truth of God until they see it with their eyes.  The truth of God is the salvation and freedom of the so called Negroes from the devils’ power.  Can you blame them?  No!  Blame yourself for being so foolish as to allow the devils to fool you in not accepting the truth after it comes to you.  The devils have tried to deceive the people all over the earth with Christianity, that is, God the Father, Jesus the Son, the Holy Ghost; three Gods into one God.”  Chapter 6, p. 21.

“The greatest hindrance to the truth of our people is the of [sic] Christianity.”  Ch. 8, p. 26.

“Again, know that Jesus was only a prophet and cannot hear you pray any more than Moses or any other dead prophet.  Know, too, that this white race was created to be the enemy of black mankind for 6,000 years, which makes their number to be six.  That is not your number or mine.  We do not have a number, because we have no birth record.  Do not let anyone fool you.  This is the separation and the War of Armageddon.”  Ch. 18, p. 35.

“They were created to rule us for 6,000 years, and then Allah (God) will destroy them from the earth and give the earth back to its original owners — the Black Nation.”  Ch. 53, p. 78.

“Allah, your God, will grant you power to overcome your enemies though their power may look as endurable as the mountains.  Fear not!  Allah is the Best Knower.  Armageddon has started, and after it there will be no Christian religion or churches.  Jesus was a Muslim, not a Christian.”  Ch. 11, p. 28.

“They (white race” are not hostile toward me because I am a Muslim and because I am teaching the true religion, Islam, to my people and the worship of the true and living God who is not a spook, but is flesh and blood (Allah).  They are hostile against me and my followers because were are of the Original Black Race whom they were created to hate from the very beginning of their existence, 6,000 years ago.  They were not created to love respect any member of the darker nations, for they are by nature, as Almighty Allah has taught them, in capable [sic] of loving even themselves.  They cannot produce good, for they are without the nature of good.  They cannot love Allah and His religion Islam, for it is against their nature to submit to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.  All manner of evil and corruption has come from the white race.”  Ch. 54, p. 80.

“According to Allah, the origin of such teachings as a Mystery God is from the devils!  It was taught to them by their father, Yakub, 6,000 years ago.  They know today that God is not a mystery but will not teach it.  He (devil), the god of evil, was made to rule the nations of earth for 6,000 years, and naturally he would not teach obedience to a God other than himself.  So, a knowledge of the true God of Righteousness was not represented by the devils.  The true God was not to be made manifest to the people until the god of evil (devil) has finished or lived out his time, which was allowed to deceive the nations . . ..  The shutting up and loosing of the devil mentioned in Rev. 20:7 could refer to the time between the A.D. 570-1555 when they (John Hawkins) deceived our fathers and brought them to slavery in America, which is nearly 1,000 years that they and Christianity were bottled up in Europe by the spread of Islam and Muhammad (may the peace of Allah be upon him) and his successors.  Their being loose to deceive the nations of the earth would refer to the time (A.D. 1555 to 1955) which they were loose (free) to travel over the earth and deceive the people.”  Ch. 1, p. 16.

“Allah came to us from the Holy City Mecca, Arabia, in 1930.  He used the name Wallace D. Fard, often signing it W.D. Fard, in the third year (1933).  He signed his name W.F. Muhammad which stands for Wallace Fard Muhammad.  He came alone.  He began teaching us the knowledge of ourselves, of God and the devil, of the measurement of the earth, of other planet [sic], and of the civilization of some of the planets other than earth.  He measured and weighed the earth and its water; the history of the moon, the history of the two nations, black and white that dominate the earth.  He gave the enact birth [sic] of the white race, the name of their God who made them and how; and the end of their time, the judgment and how it will begin.”  Ch. 8, p. 25.

“I asked him, ‘Who are you, and what is your real name?’  He said, ‘I am the one that the world has been expecting for 2000 years.’  I said to him again, ‘What is your name?’  He said, “My name is Mahdi; I am God, I came to guide you into the right path that you may be successful and see the hereafter.  He described the destruction of the world with bombs, poison gas, and finally with fire that would consume and destroy everything in the present world.”  Ch. 8, p. 25.

“He condemned the teachings of God not being a man as a lie from the devils for the past 6,000 years; he said that Christianity was a religion organized and backed by the devils for the purpose of making slaves of black mankind.”  Ch. 8, p. 26.

“He (Mr. W.F. Muhammad, God in person) chose to suffer three and a half years to show his love for his people, who have suffered over three hundred years at the hands of a people who by nature are evil and wicked and have no good in them.  He was persecuted, sent to jail in 1932, and ordered out of Detroit, on May 26, 1933.  He came to Chicago in the same year and was arrested almost immediately on his arrival and placed behind prison bars.”  Ch. 14, p. 30.

“The time has arrived.  The only way to put off for a few more years that total destruction of America is to deal fairly with the Negro.  But, nevertheless, one day it will come, unless she would like to return to Europe instead of sending the Negro back to Africa.  The whole Western Hemisphere belongs to the darker people, and Europe was given to the white people.”  Ch. 26, p. 45.

Elijah Muhammad even mentions Muhammad Ali.  “Watch how anxious the white man is to hold you and call you by his name.  He still would like to call the champion, Cassius Clay, after himself, and he would like to call me Poole, after himself.”  Ch. 26, p. 45.

This is probably too much detail.  Believe it or not, Elijah Muhammad keeps going along these lines for well over 200 pages.

It would be interesting, though painful, for me to investigate these issues further.  I think that I perceive some connections between NoI theology and several other black liberation-type ideologies — Moses James H. Cone, Jeremiah Wright, and the Black Hebrew Israelites.  I must admit, however, that I don’t know enough about any of these ideas to make a firm connection.  I note that they seem similar.

The story of Yakub and NoI theology strike me as . . . how to put this . . highly implausible, as well as quite hateful and racist in an anti-white way.

BLM delenda est.

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):
    The Walk-Away movement covered many cases like that too, until Youtube/Facebook blocked it.

    Oh?

    You never heard of Walk(ing)-Away?

    Yes, I’ve heard the term here on Ricochet.

    Here is the video I mentioned previously, apparently it’s been un-blocked by youtube since the “election.”

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  2. JosePluma Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    As with Afrocentrism, the psychology behind this is heartbreakingly understandable.

    Well at least by bringing in an “evil genius” to create white people to be evil, it argues against what seems to me the best reason for people not to proudly trumpet that “all humans evolved from Africa:” Evolution is generally considered to be a process of improvement.

    No.  It’s a totally random process that makes species better adapted to their environment.  Different species are not better or worse; they are just specifically adapted to the niche of the environment they inhabit.  We are not “better” or “worse” than any other species.

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  3. JosePluma Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

     

    Or else perhaps race is a meaningless social construct.

    I’ll go with that answer.

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  4. Henry Castaigne Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):
    A) the ideology is regarded as just more religious nonsense, all of it being nonsense (I had an editor tell me that Yakub was no less plausible than Jesus, which was the rational atheist’s response) and

    Many a-theists (without g-d) believe that Jesus existed and that he was a very convincing man. Your editor was anti-theist (against G-d) and an anti-Christian. They tend to be less rational than a-theists because they are filled with hatred. 

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  5. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    One of the things that Murray reported in his book, if memory serves, is that several human populations have quite extraordinary adaptations to living at high altitudes.  As a secondary source, here is a National Geographic article on the issue.

    It turns out that human populations living in the Andes Mountains, the Tibetan Plateau, and the Ethiopian Highlands are all adapted to breathing thin air.  Interestingly, these three groups “have different methods for coping with oxygen-thin air.”

    That’s a significant biological advantage in a specific environment, genetically based, that differs between human populations.  I’d expect those groups to live much more comfortably at high altitude than someone from, say, Japan, or a guy of Italian-Polish ancestry like me.  It will give them an advantage in some situations, and they may well have disadvantages in other situations.

    Weren’t you a creationist? 

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    That’s a significant biological advantage in a specific environment, genetically based, that differs between human populations.  I’d expect those groups to live much more comfortably at high altitude than someone from, say, Japan, or a guy of Italian-Polish ancestry like me.  It will give them an advantage in some situations, and they may well have disadvantages in other situations.

    It’s difficult to think of a situation where that would be a disadvantage, at least here on Earth.  If they got accustomed to less oxygen because they were born and lived on Mars, their musculature and skeletal structure would also be adapted to a lower gravity (less than 40% of Earth) and so they would be at a comparative disadvantage if they came (back) to Earth, but that’s a different story too.

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  7. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

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    Or else perhaps race is a meaningless social construct.

    Race is not a meaningless social construct. Charles Murray’s latest book, Human Diversity, is quite convincing on this point. There are substantial, real genetic differences between various human population groups. There are some notable physiological and morphological differences, beyond skin tone.

    It is possible that these genetic differences will cause a difference in the distribution of a variety of traits between different population groups. Some may be taller, or shorter, or faster, or stronger, or better suited to different latitudes or altitudes.

    I don’t think that these differences are a big deal. People should be judged as individuals, not only for moral reasons, but as a matter of reason. If you’re looking for a tall dude, you’re more likely to find one if you pick among Dutchmen rather than Japanese. But a tall Japanese dude is still a tall dude.

    However, the claim that race is a meaningless social construct is empirically false. It is also a propaganda point of the radical Left. I recommend rejecting this claim.

    God’s name is not Murray. And the existence of “race” is not “empirically true”. It is a misguided and misfit mental construct.

    And it did not exist in the world anywhere prior to the pre-Napoleonic Wars period (late 18th, early 19th centuries). Prior to that the conceptual categories were people/nation/folk. Race was constructed in the wake of increased West European contacts with Africans, Asians and American Indians. Sure, there are differences in physical traits and these are expressions of genetic differences. Their objective existence does not automatically mean people who observe them must start grouping persons evincing these observable traits into over-arching groups that go beyond ethnicity or nationality. That is what race is and it is a cultural construction. The radical left emphatically does not claim this. They claim race is an inescapable reality and white people automatically respond to this reality by imposing hierarchies of moral and social worth on non-whites based on skin color (mainly).  

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  8. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    Regarding the OP- yes I had read a tract from NoI containing the Yakub story back in grad school. And Malcolm X referred to it in his autobiography. 

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    The Minnesota attorney general, Keith Ellison has a very notorious background in the Nation of Islam. I think it’s documented at Powerline. I don’t think he’s gone particularly crazy with his attorney general job, but they are saying that he is a shoe-in for governor now.

    This country has too many wack job racialists that hold bar cards.

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  10. RufusRJones Member
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    Barfly (View Comment):

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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…: I have an interesting story to tell you.

    Wow. That’s some story. My goodness…

    Imagine trying to sit down & reason with someone who really believes that.

    No need to imagine. Every single person of the left believes like that. The specific content of their belief is relatively unimportant.

    Every one of them. That is not hyperbole – that fact could serve as a definition of people of the left. Your lefty friend at work believes like that. Your ditzy sister in law believes like that.

    The latest National review Victor Davis Hanson podcast talks about this.

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  11. RufusRJones Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…: I have an interesting story to tell you.

    Wow. That’s some story. My goodness…

    Imagine trying to sit down & reason with someone who really believes that.

    No need to imagine. Every single person of the left believes like that. The specific content of their belief is relatively unimportant.

    Every one of them. That is not hyperbole – that fact could serve as a definition of people of the left. Your lefty friend at work believes like that. Your ditzy sister in law believes like that.

    We have a few people here at Ricochet who have told their story of having lived on the Left and I have not found them to be ditzy. Were they at one time and got over it? Does that mean there is hope?

    I have a new theory about this. I’ve noticed two things. People on the left have a burning desire to be a part of the collectivist view of things, it doesn’t matter if it comes from the top or the bottom, but that’s what they want. Somebody comes up with an idea and then everybody is supposed to “row the boat”. They have a burning desire for that. Then (and this is the problem) since they believe in that, they are only going to discuss policy with you on a tactical basis to win. They aren’t interested in going with the facts. The tactics could be anything, and I mean anything.

    My only answer is that the government should stick to actual “public goods” and the Federal Reserve should stop pushing the economy around. Government actuarial systems are frequently a good idea in theory, but that’s not how they pan out. They have no answer to any of that.

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  12. Henry Castaigne Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    I have a new theory about this. I’ve noticed two things. People on the left have a burning desire to be a part of the collectivist view of things, it doesn’t matter if it comes from the top or the bottom, but that’s what they want. Somebody comes up with an idea and then everybody is supposed to “row the boat”. They have a burning desire for that.

    So is that why the left is turning to racial identity? That makes alot of sense to me. It also reminds me of a saying by Ann Rand, “Racism is the stupidest form of collectivism.”

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  13. RufusRJones Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    The Federal Reserve should stop pushing the economy around.

    This is what I’m talking about. The financial and economic milieu created by the Fed makes Democrat policy look intelligent and it makes people need Democrat policy. It wasn’t a big deal until the Soviet Union fell and automation and globalized trade started shoving deflation down our throats. It’s very hard for Republicans and libertarians to get any traction in this environment. Now that phenomenon is getting expressed as Socialism and populism.

     

     

     

     

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  14. RufusRJones Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    I have a new theory about this. I’ve noticed two things. People on the left have a burning desire to be a part of the collectivist view of things, it doesn’t matter if it comes from the top or the bottom, but that’s what they want. Somebody comes up with an idea and then everybody is supposed to “row the boat”. They have a burning desire for that.

    So is that why the left is turning to racial identity? That makes alot of sense to me. It also reminds me of a saying by Ann Rand, “Racism is the stupidest form of collectivism.”

    Honestly, I hate thinking about this type of stuff. I think what happens is, the government robs people of agency with its inflationist policies etc. and then people start seeing the world like that or something related. 

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  15. Henry Castaigne Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    I have a new theory about this. I’ve noticed two things. People on the left have a burning desire to be a part of the collectivist view of things, it doesn’t matter if it comes from the top or the bottom, but that’s what they want. Somebody comes up with an idea and then everybody is supposed to “row the boat”. They have a burning desire for that.

    So is that why the left is turning to racial identity? That makes alot of sense to me. It also reminds me of a saying by Ann Rand, “Racism is the stupidest form of collectivism.”

    Honestly, I hate thinking about this type of stuff. I think what happens is, the government robs people of agency with its inflationist policies etc. and then people start seeing the world like that or something related.

    I think it is more rooted in human stupidity and corruption. Though the government has historically been a boon to racists and race hustlers.

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  16. RufusRJones Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    I have a new theory about this. I’ve noticed two things. People on the left have a burning desire to be a part of the collectivist view of things, it doesn’t matter if it comes from the top or the bottom, but that’s what they want. Somebody comes up with an idea and then everybody is supposed to “row the boat”. They have a burning desire for that.

    So is that why the left is turning to racial identity? That makes alot of sense to me. It also reminds me of a saying by Ann Rand, “Racism is the stupidest form of collectivism.”

    Honestly, I hate thinking about this type of stuff. I think what happens is, the government robs people of agency with its inflationist policies etc. and then people start seeing the world like that or something related.

    I think it is more rooted in human stupidity and corruption. Though the government has historically been a boon to racists and race hustlers.

    I think fundamentally, most people want to be taken care of in a collectivist sense. Dennis Prager always says that. The government just makes it worse instead of just sticking to what it can genuinely augment.

    Deirdre McCloskey is really good on this topic. I think there is a long interview of her on the CATO website that is really good. There are a bunch of interviews around that date that are really good. Her basic concept is, families are communist, and then during that time you have to learn bourgeoisie values. After you turn 18 or whatever you need to become personally libertarian or something. Something like that. She did the extreme transition from communist to now calling herself an Austrian.

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  17. Henry Castaigne Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    I think fundamentally, most people want to be taken care of in a collectivist sense. Dennis Prager always says that. The government just makes it worse instead of just sticking to what it can genuinely augment.

    We are designed to belong in a tribe and to be devoted to that tribe. Humans are not as strong as lions or bears or wildebeest. But lions and bears and wildebeests are our prey because we belong to a tribe and we can coordinate our attacks against them. However, in our modern capitalist societies, many of us don’t have that kind of community so we turn to government. I think that maybe we don’t focus on how Churches functioned as both social welfare and job recruitment centers. Churches always had charity for the poor but they took in money from the working neighbors in a community who would have preferred that the family next to them had a job instead of taking up their community plate. 

    We are designed by evolution to be tribal and tribes can often be very effective at certain things but in a non-tribal society people without a strong community turn to government. 

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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    I think fundamentally, most people want to be taken care of in a collectivist sense. Dennis Prager always says that. The government just makes it worse instead of just sticking to what it can genuinely augment.

    We are designed to belong in a tribe and to be devoted to that tribe. Humans are not as strong as lions or bears or wildebeest. But lions and bears and wildebeests are our prey because we belong to a tribe and we can coordinate our attacks against them. However, in our modern capitalist societies, many of us don’t have that kind of community so we turn to government. I think that maybe we don’t focus on how Churches functioned as both social welfare and job recruitment centers. Churches always had charity for the poor but they took in money from the working neighbors in a community who would have preferred that the family next to them had a job instead of taking up their community plate.

    We are designed by evolution to be tribal and tribes can often be very effective at certain things but in a non-tribal society people without a strong community turn to government.

    This is very good.

    It would help if government policy stopped robbing people of agency. My other one is, everybody needs to think about how we are developing human capital or not. The education system, which is largely funded at gunpoint, is pretty deficient in this sense. 

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    What does this mean? Are whites necromancers? I don’t know. 

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    What does this mean? Are whites necromancers? I don’t know.

    I’ve seen some people wonder if that’s a parody account.

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  22. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

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    I once spoke with a member of the Nation of Islam who confirmed this to me. The guy, despite being extremely racist in his beliefs, was polite and did not attack me personally. This is why I think it is silly to say Racism = hatred.

    I had a similar conversation with a member of the Fruit of Islam in DC, who was handing out literature outside the grocery store. He was polite and the sentiments were not personal. This was just how it was, and while I may have been a devil in the abstract collective sense, he did not ascribe deviltry to me at the moment, and took it as his calling to inform me of things I should know. Love the sinner, hate the sin – which in this case was intrinsic, not willfully joined, but details, details.

    Membership in the NoI ought to be regarded with a cocked-Spock eyebrow, but I think they get a pass in the media because A) the ideology is regarded as just more religious nonsense, all of it being nonsense (I had an editor tell me that Yakub was no less plausible than Jesus, which was the rational atheist’s response) and B) the message of empowerment and self-respect has salutary effects.

    Merely a cocked eyebrow? That is a serious error.

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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…: I have an interesting story to tell you.

    Wow. That’s some story. My goodness…

    Imagine trying to sit down & reason with someone who really believes that.

    No need to imagine. Every single person of the left believes like that. The specific content of their belief is relatively unimportant.

    Every one of them. That is not hyperbole – that fact could serve as a definition of people of the left. Your lefty friend at work believes like that. Your ditzy sister in law believes like that.

    We have a few people here at Ricochet who have told their story of having lived on the Left and I have not found them to be ditzy. Were they at one time and got over it? Does that mean there is hope?

    It seems that individuals choose their pattern early in life. There are a few that get over it, of course. There’s hope for rescue, but it always involves pain. Even then, they never seem to get over the need to believe.

    Just stare at that campfire, because they’re as good as everyone else and what they feel is therefore just as important. Nevermind what’s really out there in the night. Those other people are supposed to deal with that. 

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  24. Ansonia Member
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    It’s been well over 50 years since I read the book, but I think I remember a story about these people (Nation of Islam) promoting this story in the autobiography of MalcomX.

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  25. Bob Thompson Member
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    Most of the recent social and political upheaval around the issue of race has been connected to law enforcement and blacks, primarily in urban areas, and crime. There are also, in America, significant historical crime scenarios involving Italians (Mafia), Russians and Mexican and South American drug cartels, but these have never gotten the kind of attention devoted to current issues being pushed by BLM. What is the difference?

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  26. RufusRJones Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Then (and this is the problem) since they believe in that, they are only going to discuss policy with you on a tactical basis to win. They aren’t interested in going with the facts. The tactics could be anything, and I mean anything.

    This is arguing in bad faith, in other words. 

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  27. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    @PaulStinchfield

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Then (and this is the problem) since they believe in that, they are only going to discuss policy with you on a tactical basis to win. They aren’t interested in going with the facts. The tactics could be anything, and I mean anything.

    This is arguing in bad faith, in other words.

    It’s what they do. It’s what they are.

     

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  28. RufusRJones Member
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    Two more things on that.

    The government and the Fed have interfered and screwed up so many things, I think we are actually in somewhat of a post-conservative, post-libertarian world where you need to be a little more flexible in what is going to be an effective policy to stop the march towards communism. I really believe that.

    You always have to adopt a disposition that they are arguing in bad faith. They are not trying to reveal intelligent policies and options through discussion. 

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  29. Henry Castaigne Member
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    @HenryCastaigne

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Most of the recent social and political upheaval around the issue of race has been connected to law enforcement and blacks, primarily in urban areas, and crime. There are also, in America, significant historical crime scenarios involving Italians (Mafia), Russians and Mexican and South American drug cartels, but these have never gotten the kind of attention devoted to current issues being pushed by BLM. What is the difference?

    Regular Mexican-Americans and Russian-Americans don’t associate themselves with the cartels. A minority of black-Americans associate themselves with any black people who get in trouble with the police and the MSM pushes that narrative so people who don’t pay attention believe it. 

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  30. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Most of the recent social and political upheaval around the issue of race has been connected to law enforcement and blacks, primarily in urban areas, and crime. There are also, in America, significant historical crime scenarios involving Italians (Mafia), Russians and Mexican and South American drug cartels, but these have never gotten the kind of attention devoted to current issues being pushed by BLM. What is the difference?

    Regular Mexican-Americans and Russian-Americans don’t associate themselves with the cartels. A minority of black-Americans associate themselves with any black people who get in trouble with the police and the MSM pushes that narrative so people who don’t pay attention believe it.

    How about the Democrat Party, are they not there. too?

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