Yakub and the Origins of the White Race

 

I have an interesting story to tell you.

About 6,600 years ago, all people in the world were black.  They generally lived in peace and harmony, although about 30% were somehow dissatisfied.  At that time, a black scientist named Yakub was living in Mecca.

Yakub led a group of 59,999 followers to the Greek island of Patmos, also called Pelan, where he instituted a human breeding program that lasted 600 years, carried on by his followers after Yakub’s death.  They systematically killed the darker-skinned babies and bred the lighter-skinned babies.  In this way, they selectively bred all of the non-black races: first the brown people, then the red (American Indians), then the yellow (East Asians), and finally the whites.

Yakub was an evil genius whose motives seem a bit unclear.  But he wanted to produce white people, who are devils whose purpose is to persecute and kill the righteous, who are the black nation.

It was prophesied that the white devils, the progeny of Yakub, were destined to rule the earth for 6,000 years.  Jesus condemned them 2,000 years ago.  The white devils were bottled up in Europe for about 1,000 years by Muhammad (may the peace of Allah be upon him) and his successors.

But the white devils have been loose for 400 years.  These devils have tried to deceive the people all over the earth with Christianity, which is a religion organized and backed by the white devils for the purpose of making slaves of black mankind.  The white race was created to be the enemy of black mankind for 6,000 years, but the separation and War of Armageddon are at hand.

We know this because God in person, sometimes called the Messiah or the Mahdi, appeared in America, coming from the Holy City Mecca in 1930.  He was persecuted and jailed in America in the 1930s.  God in person was a black American man named Wallace Fard Muhammad, who taught the religion of peace, Islam.

Has anyone heard this story before?

As far as I can tell, this is the actual theology of the Nation of Islam, as professed by Elijah Muhammad, its long-time leader who died in 1975.  His son, Warith Deen Muhammad, assumed leadership after his death and sought to move the organization toward a more standard Sunni Islam, but this was unsuccessful, and Louis Farrakhan assumed leadership in 1981.  Muhammad Ali (the boxer) was a prominent believer in this theology.  He was honored as the American chosen to light the Olympic torch at the 1996 games in Atlanta.

Until yesterday, I had no idea that these were the beliefs of the Nation of Islam.  I admit that I hadn’t looked into the issue in much detail.  I had the general impression that Farrakhan was a rather odious guy, something of a black supremacist, and often castigated as anti-Semitic (though it’s not clear that NoI theology is more hostile toward Jews than it is toward whites in general).  I heard an outline of this story in Prof. Wilfred Reilly’s fine book, Taboo, which I’ve been enjoying in audio format.

Sources:

There’s a Wikipedia page here about Yakub.  I know, Wikipedia may be dubious, so I looked a bit further.

I found several official Nation of Islam sources supporting the story.  Here is their “Brief history on the origin of the Nation of Islam.” Here is their “A historic look at the Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad.”    Here is their “The Muslim Program,” which explains “What The Muslims Want.”  Here is a 2015 article, “Echoes of Mr. Yakup after Patmos,” by the Nation of Islam Research Group.

If you can endure it, here is a pdf version of Elijah Muhammad’s book, “Message To The Blackman in America by Elijah Muhammad (Messenger of Allah).”  Paper versions of the book are available on Amazon (and presumably elsewhere), but I cannot personally attest to the accuracy of the pdf version.

Here are some quotes from Message to the Blackman in America (page references are to the pdf version linked above):

“You originally came from the God of Righteousness and have the opportunity to return, while the devils are from the man devil (Yakub), who has ruled the world for the past 6,000 years under falsehood, labeled under the name of God and His prophets.  The wort thing to ever happen to the devils is: the truth of them made manifest that they are really the devils whom the righteous (all members of the black nation) should shun and never accept as truthful guides of God!  This is why the devils have always persecuted and killed the righteous.  But the time has at last arrived that Allah (God) will put an end to their persecuting and killing the righteous (the black nation).”  Chapter 3, page 18.

“Read and study the above chapter of John 8:42, all of you, who are Christians, believers in the Bible and Jesus, as you say.  If you understand it right, you will agree with me that the whole Caucasian race is a race of devils.  They have proved to be devils in the garden of Paradise and were condemned 4,000 years later by Jesus.  Likewise, they are condemned today, by the Great Mahdi Muhammad, as being nothing but devils in the plainest language.”  Chapter 13, p. 29.

“Your misunderstanding and misinterpretation of it is really the joy of devils.  For it is the devils’ desire to keep the so-called Negroes ignorant of the truth of God until they see it with their eyes.  The truth of God is the salvation and freedom of the so called Negroes from the devils’ power.  Can you blame them?  No!  Blame yourself for being so foolish as to allow the devils to fool you in not accepting the truth after it comes to you.  The devils have tried to deceive the people all over the earth with Christianity, that is, God the Father, Jesus the Son, the Holy Ghost; three Gods into one God.”  Chapter 6, p. 21.

“The greatest hindrance to the truth of our people is the of [sic] Christianity.”  Ch. 8, p. 26.

“Again, know that Jesus was only a prophet and cannot hear you pray any more than Moses or any other dead prophet.  Know, too, that this white race was created to be the enemy of black mankind for 6,000 years, which makes their number to be six.  That is not your number or mine.  We do not have a number, because we have no birth record.  Do not let anyone fool you.  This is the separation and the War of Armageddon.”  Ch. 18, p. 35.

“They were created to rule us for 6,000 years, and then Allah (God) will destroy them from the earth and give the earth back to its original owners — the Black Nation.”  Ch. 53, p. 78.

“Allah, your God, will grant you power to overcome your enemies though their power may look as endurable as the mountains.  Fear not!  Allah is the Best Knower.  Armageddon has started, and after it there will be no Christian religion or churches.  Jesus was a Muslim, not a Christian.”  Ch. 11, p. 28.

“They (white race” are not hostile toward me because I am a Muslim and because I am teaching the true religion, Islam, to my people and the worship of the true and living God who is not a spook, but is flesh and blood (Allah).  They are hostile against me and my followers because were are of the Original Black Race whom they were created to hate from the very beginning of their existence, 6,000 years ago.  They were not created to love respect any member of the darker nations, for they are by nature, as Almighty Allah has taught them, in capable [sic] of loving even themselves.  They cannot produce good, for they are without the nature of good.  They cannot love Allah and His religion Islam, for it is against their nature to submit to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.  All manner of evil and corruption has come from the white race.”  Ch. 54, p. 80.

“According to Allah, the origin of such teachings as a Mystery God is from the devils!  It was taught to them by their father, Yakub, 6,000 years ago.  They know today that God is not a mystery but will not teach it.  He (devil), the god of evil, was made to rule the nations of earth for 6,000 years, and naturally he would not teach obedience to a God other than himself.  So, a knowledge of the true God of Righteousness was not represented by the devils.  The true God was not to be made manifest to the people until the god of evil (devil) has finished or lived out his time, which was allowed to deceive the nations . . ..  The shutting up and loosing of the devil mentioned in Rev. 20:7 could refer to the time between the A.D. 570-1555 when they (John Hawkins) deceived our fathers and brought them to slavery in America, which is nearly 1,000 years that they and Christianity were bottled up in Europe by the spread of Islam and Muhammad (may the peace of Allah be upon him) and his successors.  Their being loose to deceive the nations of the earth would refer to the time (A.D. 1555 to 1955) which they were loose (free) to travel over the earth and deceive the people.”  Ch. 1, p. 16.

“Allah came to us from the Holy City Mecca, Arabia, in 1930.  He used the name Wallace D. Fard, often signing it W.D. Fard, in the third year (1933).  He signed his name W.F. Muhammad which stands for Wallace Fard Muhammad.  He came alone.  He began teaching us the knowledge of ourselves, of God and the devil, of the measurement of the earth, of other planet [sic], and of the civilization of some of the planets other than earth.  He measured and weighed the earth and its water; the history of the moon, the history of the two nations, black and white that dominate the earth.  He gave the enact birth [sic] of the white race, the name of their God who made them and how; and the end of their time, the judgment and how it will begin.”  Ch. 8, p. 25.

“I asked him, ‘Who are you, and what is your real name?’  He said, ‘I am the one that the world has been expecting for 2000 years.’  I said to him again, ‘What is your name?’  He said, “My name is Mahdi; I am God, I came to guide you into the right path that you may be successful and see the hereafter.  He described the destruction of the world with bombs, poison gas, and finally with fire that would consume and destroy everything in the present world.”  Ch. 8, p. 25.

“He condemned the teachings of God not being a man as a lie from the devils for the past 6,000 years; he said that Christianity was a religion organized and backed by the devils for the purpose of making slaves of black mankind.”  Ch. 8, p. 26.

“He (Mr. W.F. Muhammad, God in person) chose to suffer three and a half years to show his love for his people, who have suffered over three hundred years at the hands of a people who by nature are evil and wicked and have no good in them.  He was persecuted, sent to jail in 1932, and ordered out of Detroit, on May 26, 1933.  He came to Chicago in the same year and was arrested almost immediately on his arrival and placed behind prison bars.”  Ch. 14, p. 30.

“The time has arrived.  The only way to put off for a few more years that total destruction of America is to deal fairly with the Negro.  But, nevertheless, one day it will come, unless she would like to return to Europe instead of sending the Negro back to Africa.  The whole Western Hemisphere belongs to the darker people, and Europe was given to the white people.”  Ch. 26, p. 45.

Elijah Muhammad even mentions Muhammad Ali.  “Watch how anxious the white man is to hold you and call you by his name.  He still would like to call the champion, Cassius Clay, after himself, and he would like to call me Poole, after himself.”  Ch. 26, p. 45.

This is probably too much detail.  Believe it or not, Elijah Muhammad keeps going along these lines for well over 200 pages.

It would be interesting, though painful, for me to investigate these issues further.  I think that I perceive some connections between NoI theology and several other black liberation-type ideologies — Moses James H. Cone, Jeremiah Wright, and the Black Hebrew Israelites.  I must admit, however, that I don’t know enough about any of these ideas to make a firm connection.  I note that they seem similar.

The story of Yakub and NoI theology strike me as . . . how to put this . . highly implausible, as well as quite hateful and racist in an anti-white way.

BLM delenda est.

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  1. OmegaPaladin Moderator
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    I once spoke with a member of the Nation of Islam who confirmed this to me.  The guy, despite being extremely racist in his beliefs, was polite and did not attack me personally.  This is why I think it is silly to say Racism = hatred.

    Regardless, this is what at least some in the NoI believe.  There is also a Ufology component where they believe that black people are on Mother Wheels in space, and Farrahkhan talks with them.

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  2. Doug Watt Moderator
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    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):

    I once spoke with a member of the Nation of Islam who confirmed this to me. The guy, despite being extremely racist in his beliefs, was polite and did not attack me personally. This is why I think it is silly to say Racism = hatred.

    Regardless, this is what at least some in the NoI believe. There is also a Ufology component where they believe that black people are on Mother Wheels in space, and Farrahkhan talks with them.

    I talk to them as well when Happy Hour lasts for about four hours.

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  3. kedavis Member
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    Individuals don’t have to be individually hostile, if they support those who are.

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  4. kedavis Member
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    By the way, the “creation story” for Scientology is pretty bananas too.

     

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  5. Taras Coolidge
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    As with Afrocentrism, the psychology behind this is heartbreakingly understandable.

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  6. kedavis Member
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    Taras (View Comment):

    As with Afrocentrism, the psychology behind this is heartbreakingly understandable.

    Well at least by bringing in an “evil genius” to create white people to be evil, it argues against what seems to me the best reason for people not to proudly trumpet that “all humans evolved from Africa:”  Evolution is generally considered to be a process of improvement.

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  7. Flicker Member
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    This is crazy.  Everyone knows (or at least should know) that humans evolved from animals; and if you remove the hair from just about any animal, their underlying skin is pale white.  Clearly then, the original humans when they lost their covering of fur, were obviously white.  This is the scientific reality.  This is, as I said, all crazy.  Unless you can come up with a different story.

    Or else perhaps race is a meaningless social construct.

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  8. Taras Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    As with Afrocentrism, the psychology behind this is heartbreakingly understandable.

    Well at least by bringing in an “evil genius” to create white people to be evil, it argues against what seems to me the best reason for people not to proudly trumpet that “all humans evolved from Africa:” Evolution is generally considered to be a process of improvement.

    Technically, natural selection better and better adapts a population to its environment.  Of course, the environment is a moving target; in recent centuries moving fast indeed.

    It’s very similar to how the market constantly moves toward equilibrium but never reaches it.  Indeed, Darwin modeled his theory on market economics.

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  9. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    This is crazy. Everyone knows (or at least should know) that humans evolved from animals; and if you remove the hair from just about any animal, their underlying skin is pale white. Clearly then, the original humans when they lost their covering of fur, were obviously white. This is the scientific reality. This is, as I said, all crazy. Unless you can come up with a different story.

    Or else perhaps race is a meaningless social construct.

    Race is not a meaningless social construct.  Charles Murray’s latest book, Human Diversity, is quite convincing on this point.  There are substantial, real genetic differences between various human population groups.  There are some notable physiological and morphological differences, beyond skin tone.

    It is possible that these genetic differences will cause a difference in the distribution of a variety of traits between different population groups.  Some may be taller, or shorter, or faster, or stronger, or better suited to different latitudes or altitudes.

    I don’t think that these differences are a big deal.  People should be judged as individuals, not only for moral reasons, but as a matter of reason.  If you’re looking for a tall dude, you’re more likely to find one if you pick among Dutchmen rather than Japanese.  But a tall Japanese dude is still a tall dude.

    However, the claim that race is a meaningless social construct is empirically false.  It is also a propaganda point of the radical Left.  I recommend rejecting this claim.

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  10. kedavis Member
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    Taras (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    As with Afrocentrism, the psychology behind this is heartbreakingly understandable.

    Well at least by bringing in an “evil genius” to create white people to be evil, it argues against what seems to me the best reason for people not to proudly trumpet that “all humans evolved from Africa:” Evolution is generally considered to be a process of improvement.

    Technically, natural selection better and better adapts a population to its environment. Of course, the environment is a moving target; in recent centuries moving fast indeed.

    It’s very similar to how the market constantly moves toward equilibrium but never reaches it. Indeed, Darwin modeled his theory on market economics.

    If you can come up with a way that “adapts better to its environment” is not improvement, I’d like to hear it.  Ultimately, adapting better to Earth – regardless of what part of Earth – including use of science/technology, is clearly improvement.  If there were sentient creatures on Earth that could live without air and in -200 or lower temperatures, they might be better adapted to living on the Moon or Neptune.  But so what?

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  11. Taras Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    As with Afrocentrism, the psychology behind this is heartbreakingly understandable.

    Well at least by bringing in an “evil genius” to create white people to be evil, it argues against what seems to me the best reason for people not to proudly trumpet that “all humans evolved from Africa:” Evolution is generally considered to be a process of improvement.

    Technically, natural selection better and better adapts a population to its environment. Of course, the environment is a moving target; in recent centuries moving fast indeed.

    It’s very similar to how the market constantly moves toward equilibrium but never reaches it. Indeed, Darwin modeled his theory on market economics.

    If you can come up with a way that “adapts better to its environment” is not improvement, I’d like to hear it. Ultimately, adapting better to Earth – regardless of what part of Earth – including use of science/technology, is clearly improvement. If there were sentient creatures on Earth that could live without air and in -200 or lower temperatures, they might be better adapted to living on the Moon or Neptune. But so what?

    We-e-ell … A species is better adapted to its environment, in a Darwinian sense, if it leaves more offspring.  

    In a novel by Donald Moffitt, humans return to Terra only to find it dominated by mutant dragonflies with no culture to speak of, but very good at eating and reproducing, and nothing else.

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  12. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…: I have an interesting story to tell you.

    Wow.  That’s some story.  My goodness…

    Imagine trying to sit down & reason with someone who really believes that.

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  13. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Evolution is generally considered to be a process of improvement.

    I don’t think this is right. If “improvement” means a steady progress toward a better outcome, then obviously “better outcome” is relative, entirely dependent on your biases about what constitutes “better”.

    I think evolution is entirely dependent on whatever the current existing conditions are, and they are constantly changing. Whatever comes into existence due to evolution has no more chance of being “better” than a blob in a lava lamp has of automatically being “larger”.

    (When I say “I think”, I don’t mean that I came to this conclusion by my awesome independent research. I mean, this is what has been explained to me by those who have. I (and they) could be wrong.)

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  14. Flicker Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    This is crazy. Everyone knows (or at least should know) that humans evolved from animals; and if you remove the hair from just about any animal, their underlying skin is pale white. Clearly then, the original humans when they lost their covering of fur, were obviously white. This is the scientific reality. This is, as I said, all crazy. Unless you can come up with a different story.

    Or else perhaps race is a meaningless social construct.

    Race is not a meaningless social construct. Charles Murray’s latest book, Human Diversity, is quite convincing on this point. There are substantial, real genetic differences between various human population groups. There are some notable physiological and morphological differences, beyond skin tone.

    It is possible that these genetic differences will cause a difference in the distribution of a variety of traits between different population groups. Some may be taller, or shorter, or faster, or stronger, or better suited to different latitudes or altitudes.

    I don’t think that these differences are a big deal. People should be judged as individuals, not only for moral reasons, but as a matter of reason. If you’re looking for a tall dude, you’re more likely to find one if you pick among Dutchmen rather than Japanese. But a tall Japanese dude is still a tall dude.

    However, the claim that race is a meaningless social construct is empirically false. It is also a propaganda point of the radical Left. I recommend rejecting this claim.

    God’s name is not Murray.  And the existence of “race” is not “empirically true”.  It is a misguided and misfit mental construct.

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  15. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    I have a minor correction to the OP.  At the very end, I referred to “Moses Cone” as a figure in black liberation theology.  I meant James H. Cone.  I don’t know why I got his name wrong.  It turns out that there is a famous Moses Cone, but he was a Southern white businessman and philanthropist in the late 19th Century.  Sorry for the error.  I’m going to correct the OP.

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  16. kedavis Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    This is crazy. Everyone knows (or at least should know) that humans evolved from animals; and if you remove the hair from just about any animal, their underlying skin is pale white. Clearly then, the original humans when they lost their covering of fur, were obviously white. This is the scientific reality. This is, as I said, all crazy. Unless you can come up with a different story.

    Or else perhaps race is a meaningless social construct.

    Race is not a meaningless social construct. Charles Murray’s latest book, Human Diversity, is quite convincing on this point. There are substantial, real genetic differences between various human population groups. There are some notable physiological and morphological differences, beyond skin tone.

    It is possible that these genetic differences will cause a difference in the distribution of a variety of traits between different population groups. Some may be taller, or shorter, or faster, or stronger, or better suited to different latitudes or altitudes.

    I don’t think that these differences are a big deal. People should be judged as individuals, not only for moral reasons, but as a matter of reason. If you’re looking for a tall dude, you’re more likely to find one if you pick among Dutchmen rather than Japanese. But a tall Japanese dude is still a tall dude.

    However, the claim that race is a meaningless social construct is empirically false. It is also a propaganda point of the radical Left. I recommend rejecting this claim.

    God’s name is not Murray. And the existence of “race” is not “empirically true”. It is a misguided and misfit mental construct.

    And God – whatever his name is – told you that when, exactly?

    Isn’t part of science – including according to Christians – discovering the wonders that God created?  And why can’t race be part of that?

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  17. Hang On Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I have a minor correction to the OP.  At the very end, I referred to “Moses Cone” as a figure in black liberation theology.  I meant James H. Cone.  I don’t know why I got his name wrong.  It turns out that there is a famous Moses Cone, but he was a Southern white businessman and philanthropist in the late 19th Century.  Sorry for the error.  I’m going to correct the OP.

    His (Moses Cone’s) sons were friends of my grandfather. The hospital in Greensboro is named for him.

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  18. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    This is crazy. Everyone knows (or at least should know) that humans evolved from animals; and if you remove the hair from just about any animal, their underlying skin is pale white. Clearly then, the original humans when they lost their covering of fur, were obviously white. This is the scientific reality. This is, as I said, all crazy. Unless you can come up with a different story.

    Or else perhaps race is a meaningless social construct.

    Race is not a meaningless social construct. Charles Murray’s latest book, Human Diversity, is quite convincing on this point. There are substantial, real genetic differences between various human population groups. There are some notable physiological and morphological differences, beyond skin tone.

    It is possible that these genetic differences will cause a difference in the distribution of a variety of traits between different population groups. Some may be taller, or shorter, or faster, or stronger, or better suited to different latitudes or altitudes.

    I don’t think that these differences are a big deal. People should be judged as individuals, not only for moral reasons, but as a matter of reason. If you’re looking for a tall dude, you’re more likely to find one if you pick among Dutchmen rather than Japanese. But a tall Japanese dude is still a tall dude.

    However, the claim that race is a meaningless social construct is empirically false. It is also a propaganda point of the radical Left. I recommend rejecting this claim.

    God’s name is not Murray. And the existence of “race” is not “empirically true”. It is a misguided and misfit mental construct.

    Well, I certainly agree that God’s name is not Murray.

    Beyond that, I guess that we disagree.  I find your view quite unreasonable, and based on no evidence whatsoever.  I do urge you to read the book, which carefully details the genetic research in this area.

    You know, you can send a sample to 23-and-me, and they’ll tell you your ancestry, not just by major racial group, but by a number of sub-groups.  Do you think that this genetic science is “a misguided and misfit mental construct”?

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  19. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):
    God’s name is not Murray…

    That sounds like an “I want to pick a fight” comment.

    … And the existence of “race” is not “empirically true”.  It is a misguided and misfit mental construct.

    There is good scientific evidence. The fact that the scientific evidence is misunderstood and misrepresented by ill-willed racists does not make the science go away.

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  20. Zafar Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…:

    The story of Yakub and NoI theology strike me as . . . how to put this . . highly implausible, as well as quite hateful and racist in an anti-white way.

    BLM delenda est.

    Yes, and also quite amusing (because wot?!!) but dude, you should stop wishing death on everybody and everything you don’t like. It can’t be good for you.  

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  21. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…: The story of Yakub and NoI theology strike me as . . . how to put this . . highly implausible, as well as quite hateful and racist in an anti-white way.

    Very Nazi-like, categorizing much of the human race as “not human” and as so evil as to deserve extermination.

    So, no matter how polite a NoI person might be, never forget that some Nazis also had impeccable manners.

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  22. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    God’s name is not Murray…

    That sounds like an “I want to pick a fight” comment.

    … And the existence of “race” is not “empirically true”. It is a misguided and misfit mental construct.

    There is good scientific evidence. The fact that the scientific evidence is misunderstood and misrepresented by ill-willed racists does not make the science go away.

    I want to give an example, which I hope will be non-controversial.

    One of the things that Murray reported in his book, if memory serves, is that several human populations have quite extraordinary adaptations to living at high altitudes.  As a secondary source, here is a National Geographic article on the issue.

    It turns out that human populations living in the Andes Mountains, the Tibetan Plateau, and the Ethiopian Highlands are all adapted to breathing thin air.  Interestingly, these three groups “have different methods for coping with oxygen-thin air.”

    That’s a significant biological advantage in a specific environment, genetically based, that differs between human populations.  I’d expect those groups to live much more comfortably at high altitude than someone from, say, Japan, or a guy of Italian-Polish ancestry like me.  It will give them an advantage in some situations, and they may well have disadvantages in other situations.

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  23. Bob Thompson Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Race is not a meaningless social construct.  Charles Murray’s latest book, Human Diversity, is quite convincing on this point.  There are substantial, real genetic differences between various human population groups.  There are some notable physiological and morphological differences, beyond skin tone.

     

    Then why all this fuss using skin tone as the focal point? 

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  24. W Bob Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…: I have an interesting story to tell you.

    Wow. That’s some story. My goodness…

    Imagine trying to sit down & reason with someone who really believes that.

    No one really believes it. It’s an example of the strange capacity of human beings to believe that they believe something without actually believing it. Very few if any adherents of this belief would actually bet anything of value on it actually being true, which means they don’t actually believe it. Accepting the belief gives them a sense of purpose and belonging in a group. It serves that purpose even though at some level the “believer” doesn’t assent to the belief in the way that they would assent to the belief, for example, that the world is round. 

    This is why it’s impossible to reason someone out of such a belief: at the level of reason, they don’t believe it to begin with. 

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  25. Unsk Member
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    Sadly, roughly, according to those who say they know,  25% of black American ancestors were not Black African at all so many of these godly blacks  among us are unfortunately  infected with the terrible “White” gene terribly interfering with their racial purity and surely infecting their attitudes as well.  Some “Black” Americans, to the tune of millions, sadly are even worse off- over 50% of their ancestors were not Black Africans so arguably they are not even “black” at all.   Shocking I know.  Such a conundrum – how are we to achieve a pure and righteous  “black” race here in America to rule us lesser “White” humans?

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  26. Bob Thompson Member
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    Unsk (View Comment):

    Sadly, roughly, according to those who say they know, 25% of black American ancestors were not Black African at all so many of these godly blacks among us are unfortunately infected with the terrible “White” gene terribly interfering with their racial purity and surely infecting their attitudes as well. Some “Black” Americans, to the tune of millions, sadly are even worse off- over 50% of their ancestors were not Black Africans so arguably they are not even “black” at all. Shocking I know. Such a conundrum – how are we to achieve a pure and righteous “black” race here in America to rule us lesser “White” humans?

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Race is not a meaningless social construct.  Charles Murray’s latest book, Human Diversity, is quite convincing on this point.  There are substantial, real genetic differences between various human population groups.  There are some notable physiological and morphological differences, beyond skin tone.

    If there is really such a thing as race, how do we conclude that skin tone is the manner in which to identify it. @unsk your point reinforces why I ask this. It puts a lot of people in Limbo.

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  27. Manny Member
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    I had not heard it before but it does not surprise me. Even traditional Islam creates these bogus narratives to claim superiority. Nation of Islam is a beast of a higher order. 

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  28. Barfly Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…: I have an interesting story to tell you.

    Wow. That’s some story. My goodness…

    Imagine trying to sit down & reason with someone who really believes that.

    No need to imagine. Every single person of the left believes like that. The specific content of their belief is relatively unimportant.

    Every one of them. That is not hyperbole – that fact could serve as a definition of people of the left. Your lefty friend at work believes like that. Your ditzy sister in law believes like that.

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  29. Flicker Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    This is crazy. Everyone knows (or at least should know) that humans evolved from animals; and if you remove the hair from just about any animal, their underlying skin is pale white. Clearly then, the original humans when they lost their covering of fur, were obviously white. This is the scientific reality. This is, as I said, all crazy. Unless you can come up with a different story.

    Or else perhaps race is a meaningless social construct.

    Race is not a meaningless social construct. Charles Murray’s latest book, Human Diversity, is quite convincing on this point. There are substantial, real genetic differences between various human population groups. There are some notable physiological and morphological differences, beyond skin tone.

    It is possible that these genetic differences will cause a difference in the distribution of a variety of traits between different population groups. Some may be taller, or shorter, or faster, or stronger, or better suited to different latitudes or altitudes.

    I don’t think that these differences are a big deal. People should be judged as individuals, not only for moral reasons, but as a matter of reason. If you’re looking for a tall dude, you’re more likely to find one if you pick among Dutchmen rather than Japanese. But a tall Japanese dude is still a tall dude.

    However, the claim that race is a meaningless social construct is empirically false. It is also a propaganda point of the radical Left. I recommend rejecting this claim.

    God’s name is not Murray. And the existence of “race” is not “empirically true”. It is a misguided and misfit mental construct.

    And God – whatever his name is – told you that when, exactly?

    Isn’t part of science – including according to Christians – discovering the wonders that God created? And why can’t race be part of that?

    I’ll joke with you.  Everyone knows his name is howard.

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  30. Bob Thompson Member
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    Barfly (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…: I have an interesting story to tell you.

    Wow. That’s some story. My goodness…

    Imagine trying to sit down & reason with someone who really believes that.

    No need to imagine. Every single person of the left believes like that. The specific content of their belief is relatively unimportant.

    Every one of them. That is not hyperbole – that fact could serve as a definition of people of the left. Your lefty friend at work believes like that. Your ditzy sister in law believes like that.

    We have a few people here at Ricochet who have told their story of having lived on the Left and I have not found them to be ditzy. Were they at one time and got over it? Does that mean there is hope?

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