‘Jesuit Calls for Ban on Young Catholics at Latin Mass’

 

Unfortunately, the headline for this post is not satirical. Jesuits are not alone in promoting the end of the Latin Mass. There are bishops that receive complaints from diocesan priests that wish to eliminate the Latin Mass.

As the pews fill in a parish that offers the Latin Mass, and as they empty in parishes that refuse to offer the Latin Mass, they beseech bishops to put an end to the Latin Mass. Lazy priests and parishioners that offer the catechesis of Oprah and Howard Stern, a foundation built upon sand, feel threatened.

There are priests that should spend more time with the Liturgy of the Hours, rather than reading the New York Times. Dissident priests that live in fear that something they say will not be published, or heard in the media that tries to shape popular opinion will not mollify the tyranny of cancel culture.

From Rorate Caeli:

Jesuit Father Thomas Reese, former editor-in-chief of America magazine (until Pope Benedict helped resolve the situation) has remained an often-quoted source for (dare I say, lazy) mainstream media reporters, and has written a column for Religion News Service. He is pictured below with the rest of the Jesuit community at Gonzaga High School in Washington, D.C. (yes, this is actually their website’s group photo) seated, second from the left.

In his latest manifesto, Reese not only calls for overturning Summorum Pontificum, he states:

After the Pauline reforms of the liturgy, it was presumed that the “Tridentine” or Latin Mass would fade away. Bishops were given the authority to suppress it in their dioceses, but some people clung to the old liturgy to the point of schism.

Benedict took away the bishops’ authority and mandated that any priest could celebrate the Tridentine Mass whenever he pleased.

It is time to return to bishops the authority over the Tridentine liturgy in their dioceses. The church needs to be clear that it wants the unreformed liturgy to disappear and will only allow it out of pastoral kindness to older people who do not understand the need for change. Children and young people should not be allowed to attend such Masses.

Unfortunately, Father Reese has some difficulty with one Pope. His solution is to give us thousands of Popes. It is not the Latin Mass that should fade away, Father Reese should fade away with his observations that are a mile wide and an inch deep.

Published in Religion & Philosophy
This post was promoted to the Main Feed by a Ricochet Editor at the recommendation of Ricochet members. Like this post? Want to comment? Join Ricochet’s community of conservatives and be part of the conversation. Get your first month free.

There are 39 comments.

Become a member to join the conversation. Or sign in if you're already a member.
  1. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    @kirkianwanderer, time to hit the warpath.

     

    • #1
  2. Sisyphus Member
    Sisyphus
    @Sisyphus

    If there is one note over the course of history that I have seen played and played again, it is the outlawing of Jesuits. Even in ostensibly Catholic countries. “Pope” Reese exemplifies their legendary hubris.

    • #2
  3. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    If there is one note over the course of history that I have seen played and played again, it is the outlawing of Jesuits. Even in ostensibly Catholic countries. “Pope” Reese exemplifies their legendary hubris.

    Isn’t the current Pope a Jesuit?

    • #3
  4. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Classic, actually. I do something that costs me customers, so I want the rules changed to inhibit my competitors. 

    • #4
  5. Sisyphus Member
    Sisyphus
    @Sisyphus

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    If there is one note over the course of history that I have seen played and played again, it is the outlawing of Jesuits. Even in ostensibly Catholic countries. “Pope” Reese exemplifies their legendary hubris.

    Isn’t the current Pope a Jesuit?

    Funny you should mention that.

    • #5
  6. Scott Wilmot Member
    Scott Wilmot
    @ScottWilmot

    The “reform” of the liturgy we got from the Second Vatican Council has been an abject failure. Fr. Reese proves this point.

    And we have a Jesuit pope who is happy that private mass has been banned in St. Peter’s with the relegation of the TLM to the lower levels of the basilica, outside of view of the public. This is a disgrace.

    Phil Lawler has a wonderful take on this ridiculous statement from Fr. Reese.

    • #6
  7. Seawriter Contributor
    Seawriter
    @Seawriter

    When the Catholic Church finally abandons Catholicism, consider attending an Orthodox Church.  It is compartmentalized so that if one group goes astray it does not take the rest with them.

    • #7
  8. DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) Coolidge
    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!)
    @DonG

    Jesuit Young Catholics Calls for Ban on Young Catholics Jesuits at Latin Mass’

    FIFY

    • #8
  9. Sisyphus Member
    Sisyphus
    @Sisyphus

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Jesuit Young Catholics Calls for Ban on Young Catholics Jesuits at Latin Mass’

    FIFY

    They burst into flame when they touch the knob on the sanctuary door anyway. Those Latin Mass guys have holy water and know how to use it.

    • #9
  10. She Reagan
    She
    @She

    A mother talked to her parish priest and told him that her son appeared to have a calling to study the priesthood.  She asked her priest which order he would recommend.

    The priest thought for a minute then said, “If he wants to become a Franciscan, he’ll have to study for six years.  If he wants to become a Dominican, he’ll have to study for ten years.  If he wants to become a Jesuit, he’ll have to study for fifteen years.”

    “That settles it!” Mom exclaimed.  “Please sign him up for the last option, Father.  He’s a little slow.”

    • #10
  11. Ekosj Member
    Ekosj
    @Ekosj

    When and where did the Jesuits go full-contact Marxist?  Was it as recently as the 70’s in South America?   I know they were always ‘global.’   Did that globalism put them in cahoots with International Socialism earlier and elsewhere?

    • #11
  12. Doug Watt Moderator
    Doug Watt
    @DougWatt

    She (View Comment):

    A mother talked to her parish priest and told him that her son appeared to have a calling to study the priesthood. She asked her priest which order he would recommend.

    The priest thought for a minute then said, “If he wants to become a Franciscan, he’ll have to study for six years. If he wants to become a Dominican, he’ll have to study for ten years. If he wants to become a Jesuit, he’ll have to study for fifteen years.”

    “That settles it!” Mom exclaimed. “Please sign him up for the last option, Father. He’s a little slow.”

    I will always recommend the Dominicans. As one Dominican said when he was sent to a Jesuit campus; I was sent to bring Christ back to a secular school.

    Queen, mother of mercy:
    our life, sweetness, and hope, hail.
    To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve.
    To you we sigh, mourning and weeping
    in this valley of tears.
    Turn then, our advocate,
    those merciful eyes
    toward us.
    And Jesus, the blessed fruit of thy womb,
    after our exile, show us.
    O clement, O loving, O sweet
    Virgin Mary.

    • #12
  13. William Fehringer Member
    William Fehringer
    @WilliamFehringer

    Si cum Jesuitis, non cum Jesu itis.

    • #13
  14. Doug Watt Moderator
    Doug Watt
    @DougWatt

    William Fehringer (View Comment):

    Si cum Jesuitis, non cum Jesu itis.

    If, with the Jesuits, are not you going with Jesus

    • #14
  15. HankRhody Freelance Philosopher Contributor
    HankRhody Freelance Philosopher
    @HankRhody

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    When the Catholic Church finally abandons Catholicism, consider attending an Orthodox Church. It is compartmentalized so that if one group goes astray it does not take the rest with them.

    We protestants tried that. There are… issues with the model.

    • #15
  16. Aaron Miller Member
    Aaron Miller
    @AaronMiller

    An option to celebrate the Mass in Latin should remain so that visiting foreigners can participate in a common language. It should not remain as a dodge of Vatican II. That would be no more Catholic than to ignore the Council of Trent or Nicea. 

    Nor should aesthetic preferences for particular music, such as Gregorian chant, or particular homilists dominate one’s choice of parish. Christianity is for meek and sacrificial servants trying to love neighbors in love of our shared Lord; not for self-interested customers in pursuit of a pleasant hour. The universality of Catholic worship should be evident in our appreciation of any priest speaking “in the person of Christ” and by the unending glory of Creation in which we participate, musically and otherwise.

    • #16
  17. JennaStocker Member
    JennaStocker
    @JennaStocker

    I have been very seriously, and prayerfully considering converting. I have much to learn and the more I read and consume the more I understand the breadth of what I do not know. Very humbling, as has been my journey for a long time. I have much to learn. It’s been enlightening to read the experiences and lessons from the community here. Thanks for adding to the richness of knowledge!

    • #17
  18. RushBabe49 Thatcher
    RushBabe49
    @RushBabe49

    Church Militant is an excellent source for things Catholic. I am Jewish and I learn something every day. 

    • #18
  19. Scott Wilmot Member
    Scott Wilmot
    @ScottWilmot

    JennaStocker (View Comment):
    I have been very seriously, and prayerfully considering converting.

    Fantastic. I will pray for you. We have a Ricochet Catholics group – feel free to drop by and ask questions if you have them. I came into full communion with the Catholic Church in 2004 – it was the best decision I ever made.

    • #19
  20. Scott Wilmot Member
    Scott Wilmot
    @ScottWilmot

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    An option to celebrate the Mass in Latin should remain so that visiting foreigners can participate in a common language. It should not remain as a dodge of Vatican II. That would be no more Catholic than to ignore the Council of Trent or Nicea. 

    I think you have this backwards, Aaron. SC called for the use of Latin to be preserved in the Latin rites. The use of the vernacular was the option (see SC 36). It should also be noted that Gregorian chant was to retain “pride of place” (see SC 116). V2 was dodged when Bugnini made up the Novus Ordo.

    I agree with you when you say that the mass is:

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    not for self-interested customers in pursuit of a pleasant hour

    The mass is to give glory to God for the salvation of souls. The TLM does this better than the NO. The NO has robbed us of a great heritage.

    • #20
  21. Philip Homer Member
    Philip Homer
    @Philopus

    My son John obtained a Masters degree from the School of Architecture at the University of Notre Dame in Indiana. The new dean of Architecture at the school where he obtained his undergraduate degree, the Catholic University of America, was visiting ND where he encountered my son. The dean, learning that John was a CUA graduate, asked him why he hadn’t attended ND for his bachelors degree; he responded without hesitation “I wanted to attend a Catholic university.”

    Note: ND is not a Jesuit university, it was founded and is still run by the Congregation of Holy Cross. This post originally attributed it to the Jesuits… if the shoe fits…

    • #21
  22. William Fehringer Member
    William Fehringer
    @WilliamFehringer

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    William Fehringer (View Comment):

    Si cum Jesuitis, non cum Jesu itis.

    If, with the Jesuits, are not you going with Jesus

    If you go with the Jesuits, you do not go with Jesus.

    • #22
  23. Basil Fawlty Member
    Basil Fawlty
    @BasilFawlty

    Philip Homer (View Comment):
    My son John obtained a Masters degree from the School of Architecture at the Jesuit University of Notre Damme in Indiana.

    They’re taking over everything!

    • #23
  24. Doug Watt Moderator
    Doug Watt
    @DougWatt

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):

    An option to celebrate the Mass in Latin should remain so that visiting foreigners can participate in a common language. It should not remain as a dodge of Vatican II. That would be no more Catholic than to ignore the Council of Trent or Nicea.

    Nor should aesthetic preferences for particular music, such as Gregorian chant, or particular homilists dominate one’s choice of parish. Christianity is for meek and sacrificial servants trying to love neighbors in love of our shared Lord; not for self-interested customers in pursuit of a pleasant hour. The universality of Catholic worship should be evident in our appreciation of any priest speaking “in the person of Christ” and by the unending glory of Creation in which we participate, musically and otherwise.

    Father Reese is not asking for any choice in this matter. He is asking that the bishops concede to his wishes to eliminate the Latin Mass, as well to not allow children to attend a Latin Mass. Bishops that do that will meet with his approval, and bishops that don’t will not receive his approval.

    There is room for both in the Catholic Church for both the Extraordinary Rite, and the English Mass.

    This list of the Catholic dioceses and archdioceses of the United States which includes both the dioceses of the Latin Church, which employ the Latin liturgical rites, and various other dioceses, primarily the eparchies of the Eastern Catholic Churches, which employ various Eastern Christian rites, and which are in full communion with the Pope in Rome. The Roman Catholic Archdiocese for the Military Services, USA is not a metropolitan diocese. The Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint Peter was established on January 1, 2012 for former Anglicans who join the Catholic Church.

     

    • #24
  25. dukenaltum Coolidge
    dukenaltum
    @dukenaltum

    Odd, that the report that ~65% of Catholic attending weekly mass (Novus Ordo) don’t believe in the perennial teaching of the Catholic Faith that the Eucharist is the body, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ, the second person of the Holy Trinity causes no concern for Father Reese but the one contingent of the Faithful that believes in the ancient teaching of the Bless Sacrament is intolerable and needs suppression.   

    What team is Father Reese on?  

    When the Jesuits are good no other order can contend with them for sanctity, courage, and genius.  They are the greatest of the Orders and the target of the ancient foe for this reason.  Pray for them.  

    • #25
  26. dukenaltum Coolidge
    dukenaltum
    @dukenaltum

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

     

    Father Reese is not asking for any choice in this matter. He is asking that the bishops concede to his wishes to eliminate the Latin Mass, as well to not allow children to attend a Latin Mass. Bishops that do that will meet with his approval, and bishops that don’t will not receive his approval.

    After 2020.  it is more likely that parents committed to the inculcation of the faith in their children will not comply with any order to desist.   

     

     

    • #26
  27. dukenaltum Coolidge
    dukenaltum
    @dukenaltum

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    An option to celebrate the Mass in Latin should remain so that visiting foreigners can participate in a common language. It should not remain as a dodge of Vatican II. That would be no more Catholic than to ignore the Council of Trent or Nicea.

    I think you have this backwards, Aaron. SC called for the use of Latin to be preserved in the Latin rites. The use of the vernacular was the option (see SC 36). It should also be noted that Gregorian chant was to retain “pride of place” (see SC 116). V2 was dodged when Bugnini made up the Novus Ordo.

    I agree with you when you say that the mass is:

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    not for self-interested customers in pursuit of a pleasant hour

    The mass is to give glory to God for the salvation of souls. The TLM does this better than the NO. The NO has robbed us of a great heritage.

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    An option to celebrate the Mass in Latin should remain so that visiting foreigners can participate in a common language. It should not remain as a dodge of Vatican II. That would be no more Catholic than to ignore the Council of Trent or Nicea.

    I think you have this backwards, Aaron. SC called for the use of Latin to be preserved in the Latin rites. The use of the vernacular was the option (see SC 36). It should also be noted that Gregorian chant was to retain “pride of place” (see SC 116). V2 was dodged when Bugnini made up the Novus Ordo.

    I agree with you when you say that the mass is:

    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    not for self-interested customers in pursuit of a pleasant hour

    The mass is to give glory to God for the salvation of souls. The TLM does this better than the NO. The NO has robbed us of a great heritage.

    Beyond true.   Deus Vult. 

    • #27
  28. Doug Watt Moderator
    Doug Watt
    @DougWatt

    Ekosj (View Comment):

    When and where did the Jesuits go full-contact Marxist? Was it as recently as the 70’s in South America? I know they were always ‘global.’ Did that globalism put them in cahoots with International Socialism earlier and elsewhere?

    Liberation Theology was introduced in The World Council of Churches during the Cold War, a group that the Catholic Church did not join. It’s a complex story, and not all Protestant denominations advocated for Liberation Theology. Not all Catholic orders succumbed to this heresy, but some did. Heresy builds upon heresy, and no one is more dangerous to Christianity, or Catholicism than the holier than though apostate.

    • #28
  29. Basil Fawlty Member
    Basil Fawlty
    @BasilFawlty

    Doug Watt: He is pictured below with the rest of the Jesuit community at Gonzaga High School in Washington, D.C.

    To be fair to my high school, I think Fr. Reese just lives at the school. Moving him from Dupont Circle to Eye Street was probably a reminder of his vows.

    • #29
  30. Flicker Member
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    dukenaltum (View Comment):

    Odd, that the report that ~65% of Catholic attending weekly mass (Novus Ordo) don’t believe in the perennial teaching of the Catholic Faith that the Eucharist is the body, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ, the second person of the Holy Trinity causes no concern for Father Reese but the one contingent of the Faithful that believes in the ancient teaching of the Bless Sacrament is intolerable and needs suppression.

    What team is Father Reese on?

    When the Jesuits are good no other order can contend with them for sanctity, courage, and genius. They are the greatest of the Orders and the target of the ancient foe for this reason. Pray for them.

    I’m not a practicing Roman Catholic, so maybe I have no place in internal disputes, but the Latin mass is called the vulgate, right?  It may be internationally or universally understood now, and that’s a good thing, but I’ve always been under the impression that the term “vulgate” originally meant the language of the masses, it was intended to make the mass more understandable to more or less everyone, and not be given in a ceremony that is understandable to only a few.  Have I always been wrong in this?

    As a child I never understood a single word of the Mass, except perhaps nominum or dominum patrii (if I have that right) and et spiritu sanctu and in English it would have helped me 100%.

    • #30