Can the Democrat Party Survive Without Identity Politics? (Part 2)

 

On the other hand, there may be a more relevant question facing us today: can the Democrat Party survive with identity politics?

Four years ago I wrote an article with the above title. I speculated about the inherent instability of a political movement that is based on identity politics. I suspected that once such a movement achieved power, that the smoldering internecine battles would turn ugly (and perhaps violent) and tear the power structure apart. This brief article asked a lot of questions, but I put the third paragraph in italics, as I think that is our primary concern here today – four years after I wrote this:

I read a fascinating article by Paul Mirengoff a few days ago on PowerLine, with a similar title. I made a quick post over breakfast to get the opinion of my esteemed Ricochet colleagues (…and the rest of you, too!). I have given this a great deal of thought since then, because it highlights a dichotomy I’ve never been able to resolve. The Democrat party has been the party of identity politics for as long as I can remember (I’m 48 years old). It has always reminded me of European governments, which are typically incredibly complex coalitions of many different groups who have little in common. These groups need each other in order to project power, but they don’t necessarily like each other all that much. The Democrat party includes trial lawyers, unionized factory workers who drive huge pickup trucks, environmental wackos who drive Priuses, teachers’ unions, and so on. They have nothing in common, other that their desire for power. I can understand that. I was an athlete for a long time, and I had to work with people that I didn’t necessarily like if I wanted to win. That’s the way the world works.

What I find confusing is the concept that the Democrat party, at its core, ultimately wants socialism. How is it that such a hyper-fragmented group has collectivism as its ultimate goal? How do they intend for that to work? If that is their goal, why would they take this approach? How do they see this working – if they’ve spent the last 50 years accentuating the divisions between people, how do they envision all of us living together as one, as if we were all Danish or something?

So, getting to Mr. Mirengoff’s question, “Can the Democrat Party Survive Without Identity Politics?” I think that without identity politics, the Democrat party ceases to exist tomorrow afternoon. On the other hand, even as the Democrat party rides this wave of identity politics to power, the inherent conflict from their predictable power struggle will become increasingly difficult to control as they gain more influence, and any real power they have will rapidly devolve into internecine infighting, which may become violent. We may be seeing the beginnings of this already.

The conservative movement (I hesitate to type “Republican party” here…) is based on ideology. This ideological cost of admission may limit the growth of the movement, but I think (hope?) that whatever is built will tend to be more stable and sustainable, because those involved have at least something in common.

Again, though, I just don’t understand the Democrat party. What is their goal, and how do they intend to attain it? Do those two things match? Am I missing something? A lot of my friends are liberals because media, teachers, peer pressure etc told them that liberals are nice, and they are nice, so they must be liberals. But somebody in the Democrat party must be giving more thought to strategy than to tactics. What are they thinking? How do they intend to achieve a collectivist society by intentionally dividing it into smaller and smaller pieces?

Am I missing something?

So here we are four years later. What do you think? Is the Democratic Party becoming more ruthless and intolerant because they’re in the process of cementing their control of the American political system for the foreseeable future?

Or is the Democrat party becoming more ruthless and intolerant because, after leveraging the divisions between various identity groups to gain power, they now need to enforce more conformity among these various groups to maintain a stable power structure?

I’m not sure. And I’ll bet you would get different answers if you asked Nancy Pelosi, or AOC, or Kamala Harris, or Joe Manchin, or Maxine Waters, or Pete Buttigieg, or Rashida Tlaib, or Chuck Schumer, or Mark Zuckerberg, or Al Gore, or any number of other leading Democrats. They probably all have different plans, I suppose.

But surely somebody at the top has a plan, somewhere.

On the other hand, perhaps not. The President is generally in charge of his political party. But Joe Biden is clearly not in charge of anything. So perhaps that creates a power vacuum at the top, that creates the instability we’re seeing in the Democratic Party today.

If that’s the case, then this is going to be a very interesting four years.

But one would think that there is a plan behind the increasing ruthlessness and intolerance we’re seeing from the Democrat party. There must be a plan, right?

I wonder what that plan is, exactly?

Because if they’re not careful, the Democrat party is going to destroy itself.  This doesn’t seem to be sustainable long-term.

Leftists movements that seek to control their populations require a dominant leader: A Stalin, or a Castro, or a Mao, or a Hitler, or a Chavez, or someone like that to scare the opposition into compliance, and to keep their followers in line. Once that leader dies, then that political system becomes extremely unstable very quickly. Of course, by the time their leader dies, they’ve generally had several decades to establish bureaucracies and power structures to attempt to hold everything together after they’re gone. But it doesn’t generally work. Things get unstable quickly.

The leftist wing of the Democratic Party recently gained control of the most powerful country in the world, by using identity politics, which naturally creates conflict. And now that they’re in power, it’s hard to say who’s in control. This would seem to be extremely unstable.

And again, I just don’t see how this could be sustainable long-term.

And I suspect that the higher-ups in the party can see this fairly clearly, as they watch cities burn across the country they now rule.

Surely they have a plan to stabilize their control of the power they just won.

Surely. Right?

So what do you think? Can the Democratic Party survive with identity politics?

And more importantly, can America?

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  1. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    Dr. Bastiat:

    Surely they have a plan to stabilize their control of the power they just won.

    Surely. Right?

    Yes. It involves marching the dissenters to the guillotines.

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  2. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    Tex929rr (View Comment):
    Shoot, I’m just waiting for the first leftie to notice that all the violence against Asian-Americans is coming from another minority group.

    They’ve noticed. They’re preventing that information from coming out. (See the Project Veritas CNN vid. The CNN drone makes it very clear they know that it’s young black men attacking Asians. They admit that they hide this fact because it’s not helpful to the BLM cause.)

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  3. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    you need to see “Justified” hitler art episode.

    Note that that clip gives away the “twist” ending. (If you can call it that.)

    But yeah, that was a good episode.

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  4. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    My view is that there is a world-wide movement afoot among elites to control the planet and eliminate religion, particularly Christianity, and the American form of government (based as it is on the concept that Rights come from God), which they view as the great obstacles to consolidation of  power. There is tacit agreement in worldview of all of these elites. from the CCP leadership to European political and economic and academic leadership, to most American elites. This is underpinned by a world view that is entirely secular, and that views humans from a minimalist perspective, eg, humans, a dangerous species, are an obstacle to their control. Thus those who do not agree with their world view must be suppressed, and possibly destroyed.

    This is a philosophical perspective that began with the Renaissance. Petrarch and his fellow travelers, while affirming the verities of Christianity, began to point to ancient Rome and Greece as possessors of superior ethics, art, philosophy, and virtue (see the recent book Virtue Politics, by James Hankins–or consider Nietzsche’s Anti-Christ screed in which he advocated killing all Christians, a culmination of his admiration of the ancient Greeks and  Romans, a view shared by Heidegger, the philosopher to the Nazis). The Renaissance was followed by the Enlightenment, with the skepticism of Hume and the materialism and denial of human transcendence of Adam Smith, which was itself an attack on Religion, and the elevation of Reason, so called. Which engendered the French Revolution and its Terror. That led in the 19th Century to the advent of Communism, LeCompteanism, Progressivism, and other “isms” that were all based on a falsehood at their core: The non-transcendence of Man, yet the myth of the capacity of men to control the physical world and its inhabitants. And to see the future, eg, the “heat death” of Capitalism.

    This gave us ultimately such things as the Mexican Revolution (the first strictly atheist and Communist Revolution) followed by the Russian Revolution and the rise of Communism in the 20th Century, that ultimately conflicted with it’s near relatives, Fascism and Naziism, and collapsed (the Russian version at least) or appeared to transform itself (the CCP version). The core philosophy of our time has been laid out by such as Richard Rorty, the Existentialists, the Post-modernists. The “Spirit of the Age” is pure secularism, a denial of the Transcendence of Humans, the denial of God. This despite the claim of our elites to acknowledge Deity, as does Joe Biden, while behaving in a hostile way toward religion.

    In the place of religion is substituted Government as the ecclesiastical structure and Environmentalism as its faith. Doubters and heretics will be burned at the stake. Any means necessary to bend that iron ‘arc of history’ toward (social) justice and equity will be employed. It is not a conspiracy; it is a world view–a philosophy. The great project is the Immanentizing of the Eschaton.

    The Leftists will not be deterred.

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  5. Sisyphus Member
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    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):

    In the place of religion is substituted Government as the ecclesiastical structure and Environmentalism as its faith. Doubters and heretics will be burned at the stake. Any means necessary to bend that iron ‘arc of history’ toward (social) justice and equity will be employed. It is not a conspiracy; it is a world view–a philosophy. The great project is the Immanentizing of the Eschaton.

    So don’t buy their junk, visit their septic social sites, consume their vile entertainments, or patronize their establishments. For starters. Not angry enough yet? Your vote no longer counts. Your skin color is your identity. Your military has instituted political officers. Your “elected” representatives hide behind troops and fences while waving the Biden family’s favorite cartels and slave traffickers through the border. And the hammer and sickle conducts terror operations in your cities. If you aren’t angry enough yet, I have no use for you.

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  6. Rōnin Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Whenever I see a picture of Rashida Tlaib, I find it hard to believe there was a man on this Earth who impregnated her twice . . .

    Alcohol, lots of alcohol, and a free sandwich when your done.

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  7. Rōnin Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: establish bureaucracies and power structures to attempt to hold everything together after they’re gone. But it doesn’t generally work. Things get unstable quickly.

    Do you see any instability in China? I don’t.

    I don’t either.

    But the Chinese have a strong leader, and a homogeneous population.

    When the Mandate of Heaven goes, it goes fast.

    It must be remembered that the Chinese culture and society has existed in some form over the past 3000 years.  When a social/political system fails them, China brakes apart into its 3-6 basic regions that can support and feed themselves and starts again.  So, you can have an Imperial China, but it will be socially and culturally Chinese.  You can have an attempt at a democratic China (under Chiang Kai-shek), but it will be socially and culturally Chinese.  You can have a Marxist/Communist China under Mao, but it will be socially and culturally Chinese.  Heck, you can conquer China, but it will remain socially and culturally Chinese (see Genghis Khan).  The Chinese flow like water through time, and like water the Chinese are ever changing direction, speed and depth to adapt and meet the needs of the current time and circumstance they may find themselves in, but always remaining Chinese.  In some ways the Chinese culture is similar to the Jewish culture in its tenacity to survive, except the Chinese have never lost their homeland.

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  8. Sisyphus Member
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    Rōnin (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: establish bureaucracies and power structures to attempt to hold everything together after they’re gone. But it doesn’t generally work. Things get unstable quickly.

    Do you see any instability in China? I don’t.

    I don’t either.

    But the Chinese have a strong leader, and a homogeneous population.

    When the Mandate of Heaven goes, it goes fast.

    It must be remembered that the Chinese culture and society has existed in some form over the past 3000 years. When a social/political system fails them, China brakes apart into its 3-6 basic regions that can support and feed themselves and starts again. So, you can have an Imperial China, but it will be socially and culturally Chinese. You can have an attempt at a democratic China (under Chiang Kai-shek), but it will be socially and culturally Chinese. You can have a Marxist/Communist China under Mao, but it will be socially and culturally Chinese. Heck, you can conquer China, but it will remain socially and culturally Chinese (see Genghis Khan). The Chinese flow like water through time, and like water the Chinese are ever changing direction, speed and depth to adapt and meet the needs of the current time and circumstance they may find themselves in, but always remaining Chinese. In some ways the Chinese culture is similar to the Jewish culture in its tenacity to survive, except the Chinese have never lost their homeland.

    Do not underestimate the damage done. The Chinese are human like everyone else. Like in Russia, even once the CCP dissolves the pathologies will persist for generations. It is not altogether clear given their great success with the corporate press, the corrupt political elite, and the Never Trumpers that true support for our Constitution will outlast the CCP assault. 

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