‘Never Again Trump’ or ‘Stop Talking About Trump?’

 

On another post, there was a discussion about 20 percent of Republicans being “Never Again Trump” and what this means for the future of the party.

I think there may be an issue with lumping NAT with Never Trump. I think that a measurable portion of Never Again Trump may actually be “stop talking about Trump.” People tired of the drama and fights of the last few years and ready to move on.

If this is the case, then a candidate can’t count on their votes by running on an anti-Trump platform. These may be very separate groups that agree on Trump personally but not on ” down-ballot” candidates.

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  1. Hoyacon Member
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    “Nevers” and “always'” bother me.  I’d like to see a new conservative star or two emerge, but don’t consider myself a “never again.”  This requires too much thought over too much time to start tossing around “nevers.”

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  2. Arahant Member
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    @Arahant

    I do agree with Hoyacon above. But I do look at Trump’s age and think, not such a great idea in 2024. I am hoping for a new star to rise.

    But I think he did a great job in his four years.

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  3. Jager Coolidge
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    @Jager

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    “Nevers” and “always’” bother me. I’d like to see a new conservative star or two emerge, but don’t consider myself a “never again.” This requires too much thought over too much time to start tossing around “nevers.”

    I would prefer someone new. The biggest problem there is I have no idea who that new person would be.

    Thus I can not be Never about Trump. The next election will again be a choice. If my choice is Trump or Harris, I will vote Trump. If my primary choice is Trump or Romney I will vote Trump. 

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  4. Flicker Coolidge
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    @Flicker

    If Trump increased Republican market share, how is it that 20% of Republicans are NT or Never-land Trump or whatever.  Is this 20% a guess?  Or whom did they get it from?

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  5. E. Kent Golding Moderator
    E. Kent Golding
    @EKentGolding

    I do not want Trump to be our next nominee for two reasons:  Age,  and I think he would lose.  I would vote against him in the primaries. Again.   And I would vote for him in the general. Again.

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  6. Randy Webster Inactive
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    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    I do not want Trump to be our next nominee for two reasons: Age, and I think he would lose. I would vote against him in the primaries. Again. And I would vote for him in the general. Again.

    My feelings precisely.

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  7. Stina Inactive
    Stina
    @CM

    Flicker (View Comment):

    If Trump increased Republican market share, how is it that 20% of Republicans are NT or Never-land Trump or whatever. Is this 20% a guess? Or whom did they get it from?

    There was a survey done that was linked a while ago in another GR post. 5-15% of Rs were NT and disagreed with every policy of Trump. The 20% NAT group agreed with nearly every Trump policy but would rather someone other than Trump in 2024.

    To say Robbins is misrepresenting them is an under statement.

    I would rather someone other than Trump in 2024, but if it’s between him and an NT champion, Trump all the way.

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    I do not want Trump to be our next nominee for two reasons: Age, and I think he would lose. I would vote against him in the primaries. Again. And I would vote for him in the general. Again.

    My feelings precisely.

    And that might be the best description of Never-Again-Trump-ers.  At least if they have any sense.  The Never-Trump-ers would vote for Biden again, or Harris or whoever, and hence readily deserve the scorn that is heaped upon them.

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  9. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    I do not want Trump to be our next nominee for two reasons: Age, and I think he would lose. I would vote against him in the primaries. Again. And I would vote for him in the general. Again.

    My feelings precisely.

    This is how he won the first time around. I think people underestimate his powers at their own peril. The man can’t drive down the street without a parade of supporters showing up and that’s been the case for years now. If anything his following has only become more passionate since we’ve seen the attempted dismantling of his policies and people are learning all of the things he accomplished over the last four years, not the least of which was taking on the swamp, and demonstrating how untrustworthy the news media, polling data, government agencies, GOP and so many other institutions have become. 

    Every time the FBI arrests another patriot for daring to stand up for freedom, Trump’s base grows. 

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  10. Boney Cole Member
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    @BoneyCole

    Trump greatly expanded the Republican vote (by 10 to 15 million).  He brought in a much more diverse electorate as well .  My first reaction is gratitude for bringing the Republican Party into the 21st century.   In this century we have lots of battles to fight, and so far Trump is the one willing to to do it in a manner that can hope to bring victory.  DeSantis is the only other  one in the ballpark at this point. 
    The never Trumpers are only happy in defeat.  They want to lose so they can pontificate without responsibility.  They don’t want to be on the field, they want to sip lattes in the skybox.  We have to leave them behind. They were not part of the 74 million. They do not want to be part of the 74 million. 

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  11. Flicker Coolidge
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    If Trump increased Republican market share, how is it that 20% of Republicans are NT or Never-land Trump or whatever. Is this 20% a guess? Or whom did they get it from?

    There was a survey done that was linked a while ago in another GR post. 5-15% of Rs were NT and disagreed with every policy of Trump. The 20% NAT group agreed with nearly every Trump policy but would rather someone other than Trump in 2024.

    To say Robbins is misrepresenting them is an under statement.

    I would rather someone other than Trump in 2024, but if it’s between him and an NT champion, Trump all the way.

    I kind of thought so.

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  12. Hoyacon Member
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    Jager (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    “Nevers” and “always’” bother me. I’d like to see a new conservative star or two emerge, but don’t consider myself a “never again.” This requires too much thought over too much time to start tossing around “nevers.”

    I would prefer someone new. The biggest problem there is I have no idea who that new person would be.

    I joined in the chorus of criticism of Governor Noem here over the transgender issue, although some others cautioned against a rush to judgment.

    I saw her on Ingraham’s show last night discussing the immigration crisis –basically, don’t even think about sending anyone to SD–and she was very impressive to my eyes.

    Then there’s DeSantis.  So DeSantis/Noem.  Not bad.

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  13. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    Boney Cole (View Comment):
    The never Trumpers are only happy in defeat.  They want to lose so they can pontificate without responsibility.  They don’t want to be on the field, they want to sip lattes in the skybox.  We have to leave them behind. They were not part of the 74 million. They do not want to be part of the 74 million. 

    Truer words were never spoken!

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  14. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    If Trump increased Republican market share, how is it that 20% of Republicans are NT or Never-land Trump or whatever. Is this 20% a guess? Or whom did they get it from?

    There was a survey done that was linked a while ago in another GR post. 5-15% of Rs were NT and disagreed with every policy of Trump. The 20% NAT group agreed with nearly every Trump policy but would rather someone other than Trump in 2024.

    To say Robbins is misrepresenting them is an under statement.

    I would rather someone other than Trump in 2024, but if it’s between him and an NT champion, Trump all the way.

    I kind of thought so.

    It’s the NT champions who are most despised in certain circles. They’re also likely to never understand why. 

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  15. TBA Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    If Trump increased Republican market share, how is it that 20% of Republicans are NT or Never-land Trump or whatever. Is this 20% a guess? Or whom did they get it from?

    Eh. People never seem to shut up about politicians but most of them only vote once, in private, per election. 

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  16. TBA Coolidge
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    @RobtGilsdorf

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    If Trump increased Republican market share, how is it that 20% of Republicans are NT or Never-land Trump or whatever. Is this 20% a guess? Or whom did they get it from?

    There was a survey done that was linked a while ago in another GR post. 5-15% of Rs were NT and disagreed with every policy of Trump. The 20% NAT group agreed with nearly every Trump policy but would rather someone other than Trump in 2024.

    To say Robbins is misrepresenting them is an under statement.

    I would rather someone other than Trump in 2024, but if it’s between him and an NT champion, Trump all the way.

    I kind of thought so.

    It’s the NT champions who are most despised in certain circles. They’re also likely to never understand why.

    “I stabbed my friends in the back for you guys! How come you don’t likeeeeee me?” 

     

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    If Trump increased Republican market share, how is it that 20% of Republicans are NT or Never-land Trump or whatever. Is this 20% a guess? Or whom did they get it from?

    There was a survey done that was linked a while ago in another GR post. 5-15% of Rs were NT and disagreed with every policy of Trump. The 20% NAT group agreed with nearly every Trump policy but would rather someone other than Trump in 2024.

    To say Robbins is misrepresenting them is an under statement.

    I would rather someone other than Trump in 2024, but if it’s between him and an NT champion, Trump all the way.

    I kind of thought so.

    It’s the NT champions who are most despised in certain circles. They’re also likely to never understand why.

    “I stabbed my friends in the back for you guys! How come you don’t likeeeeee me?”

     

    That would be why they’re despised/not trusted by the other side.  Not quite the same as why they’re despised and not trusted by what was supposed to be their own side.

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  18. TBA Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    If Trump increased Republican market share, how is it that 20% of Republicans are NT or Never-land Trump or whatever. Is this 20% a guess? Or whom did they get it from?

    There was a survey done that was linked a while ago in another GR post. 5-15% of Rs were NT and disagreed with every policy of Trump. The 20% NAT group agreed with nearly every Trump policy but would rather someone other than Trump in 2024.

    To say Robbins is misrepresenting them is an under statement.

    I would rather someone other than Trump in 2024, but if it’s between him and an NT champion, Trump all the way.

    I kind of thought so.

    It’s the NT champions who are most despised in certain circles. They’re also likely to never understand why.

    “I stabbed my friends in the back for you guys! How come you don’t likeeeeee me?”

     

    That would be why they’re despised/not trusted by the other side. Not quite the same as why they’re despised and not trusted by what was supposed to be their own side.

    True, that. 

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  19. kedavis Coolidge
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    TBA (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    If Trump increased Republican market share, how is it that 20% of Republicans are NT or Never-land Trump or whatever. Is this 20% a guess? Or whom did they get it from?

    There was a survey done that was linked a while ago in another GR post. 5-15% of Rs were NT and disagreed with every policy of Trump. The 20% NAT group agreed with nearly every Trump policy but would rather someone other than Trump in 2024.

    To say Robbins is misrepresenting them is an under statement.

    I would rather someone other than Trump in 2024, but if it’s between him and an NT champion, Trump all the way.

    I kind of thought so.

    It’s the NT champions who are most despised in certain circles. They’re also likely to never understand why.

    “I stabbed my friends in the back for you guys! How come you don’t likeeeeee me?”

     

    That would be why they’re despised/not trusted by the other side. Not quite the same as why they’re despised and not trusted by what was supposed to be their own side.

    True, that.

    But you’re right in that they do seem to be entirely clueless about it.

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  20. Gary Robbins Member
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    I had a full day in trial today and I have more of it coming tomorrow, but I have a few minutes to comment since I have be dragged into this conversation.  (“Every time I try to get out, they pull me back in!” from The Godfather, Part III.)  Here is the quote from the NYT about the five current factions in the Republican Party at https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/12/us/politics/republican-factions-.html:

    The group identified as “Die-hard Trumpers” — supporters of the former president who would back him in a hypothetical primary regardless of who else was running but who don’t believe in QAnon conspiracy theories — comprised 27 percent of the Republican voters surveyed. Another 28 percent comprised the “Trump Boosters,” Republicans who said they approve of how Mr. Trump did his job, but only a slight majority of them support him being the nominee again, and they are more supportive of the Republican Party than Mr. Trump personally.

    The “Never Trump” Republicans comprised 15 percent of the Republicans surveyed. Another 20 percent were described as “Post-Trump G.O.P.,” who like Mr. Trump but want to see someone else as the party’s nominee.

    The “Infowars G.O.P.” voters, named for the conspiracy-laden news outlet that was founded by Alex Jones, comprised 10 percent of the voters surveyed, far from a majority but a significant enough portion of voters that, in a multicandidate primary, could play a factor. Only 13 percent of all the voters surveyed believed in QAnon conspiracy theories, the poll showed, but 69 percent of the “Infowars G.O.P.” voters backed those theories.

    This was a poll of 1264 Republican Voters by a polling firm who used to work for Trump.  15% plus 20% equals 35% of Republican Voters.  Good luck winning without us.  For me, Trumpism is not just a stain that can be washed off, it is a tattoo which is difficult to remove.  We shall see what happens in the Special Election in Texas Congressional District 6 on May 1st where Michael Wood is fighting to make it to the runoff, hopefully against a Democrat.  See my posts at:  https://ricochet.com/934646/politico-on-michael-wood-in-texas-6-special-election-on-may-1st/, https://ricochet.com/931796/the-candidate-forum-in-texas-6-special-election/ and https://ricochet.com/928799/the-dallas-morning-news-endorses-a-nat-in-texas-cd-6/

    Edit. Note:  I carry on this conversation in Comments 44 and 46.  Gary

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  21. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Here is the quote from the NYT about the five current factions in the Republican Party

    And Gary provides the comment that illustrates the point.

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  22. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Here is the quote from the NYT about the five current factions in the Republican Party

    And Gary provides the comment that illustrates the point.

    No doubt without realizing it, yet again.

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  23. RufusRJones Member
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    The article wasn’t explicit about who commissioned the poll. You have to assume that it was the paper. 

    For your consideration. Article and SoundCloud interview.

     

     

     

    Ron DeSantis is the perfect candidate. He gets all of Trump’s policies and issues, particularly with institutions, and will capitalize on what Trump has already done. He has a law degree and he knows more about civics and government. He has actual government executive experience.

    The percentage of Never Trump that are against Trump’s policies are awful people. 

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  24. Hoyacon Member
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    @Hoyacon

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I had a full day in trial today and I have more of it coming tomorrow, but I have a few minutes to comment since I have be dragged into this conversation. (“Every time I try to get out, they pull me back in!” from The Godfather, Part III.) Here is the quote from the NYT about the five current factions in the Republican Party at https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/12/us/politics/republican-factions-.html:

    Per usual, we’ve been down this road before in another one of your posts over a month ago.  That post generated a lot of critical comments on the rather ridiculous NYT story.  Also per usual, none of those comments seem to have had any effect.

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  25. Percival Thatcher
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    The percentage of Never Trump that are against Trump’s policies are awful people. 

    The percentage of Never Trump who are against Trump’s policies is proof that some tents are too big.

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  26. Stad Coolidge
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    @Stad

    Flicker (View Comment):

    If Trump increased Republican market share, how is it that 20% of Republicans are NT or Never-land Trump or whatever. Is this 20% a guess? Or whom did they get it from?

    Probably made up.  The only polls I trust are the ones that show the general public’s trust in the MSM, experts, and polls at record lows . . .

    • #26
  27. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    Boney Cole (View Comment):
    The never Trumpers are only happy in defeat.  They want to lose so they can pontificate without responsibility.  They don’t want to be on the field, they want to sip lattes in the skybox.  We have to leave them behind. They were not part of the 74 million. They do not want to be part of the 74 million. 

    They are also anti-freedom, anti-limited government, and anti-patriotic.  I’m not going by their words, but their support for a party and candidates who are those things . . .

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  28. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    A more accurate name for Never Trumpers is America Lasters.

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  29. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Democracy) Coolidge
    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Democracy)
    @GumbyMark

    Voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020.  We were faced with binary choice and will once again in 2024.  But now things are open and it is not a binary.  I have no interest in Trump 2024 or with making the run up to it all about him which would be his natural inclination.  Is there a candidate who can understand the strengths and weaknesses of Trump and build upon that?  That’s what I’m looking for.

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  30. Postmodern Hoplite Coolidge
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    @PostmodernHoplite

    Hang On (View Comment):

    A more accurate name for Never Trumpers is America Lasters.

    AKA, “Democrats”.

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