A Mess in Minneapolis, Again

 

Rioting in Minneapolis, again, after a police shooting.  I have no idea of the details (other than it was during a traffic stop) but look at this statement from the governor:

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz tweeted he was “closely monitoring the situation” and “praying for Daunte Wright’s family as our state mourns another life of a Black man taken by law enforcement.”

Holy moly.  Let’s encourage a race war, governor. Are these people insane?

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  1. tigerlily Member
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    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    And we still don’t know who killed Ashli Babbitt.

    I doubt we ever will.

    • #61
  2. kedavis Coolidge
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    They have got to stop arresting minorities or this stuff is going to get out of control.

    You joke, but that’s actually the viewpoint of certain leftist agitators — that it’s irresponsible to arrest minorities.

    Well if the police are not going to stop arresting minorities then they can at least remove all white people from the police force / legal system. It may be a time where whites are no longer allowed to work in the legal system because of the racist angle. Maybe we will have to have separate police / legal systems, the normal one for whites and another minority system that has relaxed laws that can be ignored and staffed only by minorities that are willing to use their lived experience to give minorities a break.

    They already have a side-step for that:  when black people are killed by black cops who have a black chief in a city with a black mayor and a black city council and maybe a black governor…  it’s because of “systemic racism.”

    • #62
  3. ctlaw Coolidge
    ctlaw
    @ctlaw

    Make of this what you will: 1) male cop’s TASER is in a cross-draw holster; 2) female cop’s pistol is a Glock with aftermarket three-dot sights.

     

    • #63
  4. Doctor Robert Member
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Medical device manufactures have been trying to idiot proof equipment for decades. It’s pretty much impossible.

    A friend who designed medical equipment told me how they designed a connector for a monitor that could only be connected one way. A frustrated MD who couldn’t get it to “work” proceeded to carve the connecter to make it fit. The idiots will find a way.

    I’m glad that MD is not my doctor.

    I once cleaned up the mess another Doc got into by bypassing the safety features on a device used to burn the inside of the uterus.  He had unknowingly perforated into the abdomen and thus burned the cecum, this required emergency surgery, hysterectomy and bowel resection.  I will never forget the mess we found.

    I can’t imagine how big the malpractice payment was on that, I know it settled was out of court.

    Safety Hint of the Day: if a surgical instrument has a safety feature, for God’s sake don’t bypass it. 

    • #64
  5. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Medical device manufactures have been trying to idiot proof equipment for decades. It’s pretty much impossible.

    A friend who designed medical equipment told me how they designed a connector for a monitor that could only be connected one way. A frustrated MD who couldn’t get it to “work” proceeded to carve the connecter to make it fit. The idiots will find a way.

    I’m glad that MD is not my doctor.

    I once cleaned up the mess another Doc got into by bypassing the safety features on a device used to burn the inside of the uterus. He had unknowingly perforated into the abdomen and thus burned the cecum, this required emergency surgery, hysterectomy and bowel resection. I will never forget the mess we found.

    I can’t imagine how big the malpractice payment was on that, I know it settled was out of court.

    Safety Hint of the Day: if a surgical instrument has a safety feature, for God’s sake don’t bypass it.

    I expect the settlement was well deserved, if not insufficient.  Those kinds of injuries could have pretty sever life-long consequences.

    • #65
  6. MiMac Thatcher
    MiMac
    @MiMac

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    I was listening to Megyn Kelly talking with Dershowitz about the Chauvin trial. They were discussing how the science and hard facts seem to be breaking toward the defense. So the prosecution is building it’s case on emotion, or at least using emotion as a primary, essential component. Dershowitz called it good lawyering and Kelly didn’t object. The other no-name lawyers Kelly had on were similarly caught up in horse-race type analysis and what works as opposed to what’s true.

    I understand why a defense case might try to bring in emotional appeals, and I understand why our system generally resists those attempts unless there is a clear relevance to supporting an essential element. What I don’t understand is how a prosecutor can conscientiously bring charges that he can’t support based on the facts and that he can only hope to prosecute if he gins up emotional appeals. Furthermore I don’t understand how uninvolved lawyers could take it all in such stride.

    This is our system turned on its head. This is a giant step to totalitarianism.

    Some people are simply too stupid to realize what they’re doing, yet somehow they find themselves in positions of power and influence. Others dare smart enough, but they only care about themselves. Others simply don’t care about liberty but they’re not exactly advertising it so the stupid are easily fooled by the irrelevant emotional appeals. Then there are the true believers in evil causes. Chief Arradondo and Gov Walz seem to be among these.

    You forgot the old dictum- the 1st casualty of a trial is the truth 

    • #66
  7. MiMac Thatcher
    MiMac
    @MiMac

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    There is a Japanese manufacturing concept called “Poka-yoke” (no, I do not know how to translate it). It is used to design parts that are assembled into products, and part of the design is to make it impossible to assemble it wrong, or backwards. Often it’s a tab or pin or cutout that makes it obvious to the worker that it can only work one way. The standard US power outlet has a mild form of this, where the wide plug side has to go into the wide socket side for proper grounding.

    Medical device manufactures have been trying to idiot proof equipment for decades. It’s pretty much impossible.

    A friend who designed medical equipment told me how they designed a connector for a monitor that could only be connected one way. A frustrated MD who couldn’t get it to “work” proceeded to carve the connecter to make it fit. The idiots will find a way.

    A)Your friend is most likely mistaken – only 1 specialty of MD ever really touches monitors.

    B) but otherwise his point is correct. A few years ago they came out with “needless” injection ports on intravenous tubing. The idea was to prevent need sticks among hospital staff- HIV you know. The problem was it was a “luer lock”mechanism- the same as used on automated blood pressure monitors. So, if you accidentally hooked the blood pressure monitor tubing to the IV you would likely kill the patient due to a lethal air embolism b/c the machine will pump air thru the tubing until the pressure in the tubing is 300mmHg (which it will never reach). After a number of deaths,they replaced EVERY automated blood pressure cuff in the country (there had to be a million+ of them) and replaced every such cuff and the tubing from the monitor with a non-lure lock mechanism.

    • #67
  8. MiMac Thatcher
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    @MiMac

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Make of this what you will: 1) male cop’s TASER is in a cross-draw holster; 2) female cop’s pistol is a Glock with aftermarket three-dot sights.

     

    The standard is for the TAZER to be on the nondominant  side

    • #68
  9. James Lileks Contributor
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    In at least one of the Matt  Helm movies starring Dean Martin, he had a gun that fires back at the holder if the trigger is pulled normally, and fires forward if the trigger is pushed.  It was effective, and funny.

    A small bright spot in a crude slack Bond spoof. It had a Bad Lair. (Scroll down a bit.)

    • #69
  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    In at least one of the Matt Helm movies starring Dean Martin, he had a gun that fires back at the holder if the trigger is pulled normally, and fires forward if the trigger is pushed. It was effective, and funny.

    A small bright spot in a crude slack Bond spoof. It had a Bad Lair. (Scroll down a bit.)

    Oh there was plenty of other fun in those movies.  Including one of the few screen appearances of Sharon Tate.

    And there was the gun that fired like 3 seconds AFTER the trigger is pulled…  The vest-button bombs…

    • #70
  11. Instugator Thatcher
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    ctlaw (View Comment):

    I wonder how experienced she was. In the Minneapolis area, it seems, based on the Damond and Floyd cases, that they have a heck of a lot of cops with fewer than 2 years on the job.

    Plus, they prioritize ‘diversity’ over competence. See Mohamed Noor.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/07/us/minneapolis-police-sentencing-mohamed-noor.html?0p19G=6214

    • #71
  12. Instugator Thatcher
    Instugator
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    I’m not impressed with the handcuffing of the subject. The subject should have been placed up against a solid part of car rather than the open drivers door, or face down on the the deck lid. A second officer should have had the subjects elbow pinned against his/her body with the instep of their boot against his heel. The second officer then can use their free hand to make it easier to handcuff the subjects second wrist. This allows the officer to assess attempts to resist, and it makes easier to take someone down to the pavement if that becomes necessary.

    The girlfriend should have been removed from the vehicle.

    I thought all these young black kids were getting “the talk” from their parents about how to interact with cops to avoid getting shot.

    So how come they keep resisting?

     

    They are taught the zeroth amendment by BLM.

    • #72
  13. Instugator Thatcher
    Instugator
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    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    And we still don’t know who killed Ashli Babbitt.

    Say her name!

    • #73
  14. OkieSailor Member
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    The view from my office lobby:

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Flammable. Bad choice.

    Brick and mortar takes a bit too long to construct.

    • #74
  15. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    OkieSailor (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    The view from my office lobby:

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Flammable. Bad choice.

    Brick and mortar takes a bit too long to construct.

    Might as well.  This isn’t going away.

    • #75
  16. Kozak Member
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    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    And we still don’t know who killed Ashli Babbitt.

    And we never will.

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  17. Kozak Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Medical device manufactures have been trying to idiot proof equipment for decades. It’s pretty much impossible.

    A friend who designed medical equipment told me how they designed a connector for a monitor that could only be connected one way. A frustrated MD who couldn’t get it to “work” proceeded to carve the connecter to make it fit. The idiots will find a way.

    I’m glad that MD is not my doctor.

    I once cleaned up the mess another Doc got into by bypassing the safety features on a device used to burn the inside of the uterus. He had unknowingly perforated into the abdomen and thus burned the cecum, this required emergency surgery, hysterectomy and bowel resection. I will never forget the mess we found.

    I can’t imagine how big the malpractice payment was on that, I know it settled was out of court.

    Safety Hint of the Day: if a surgical instrument has a safety feature, for God’s sake don’t bypass it.

    I expect the settlement was well deserved, if not insufficient. Those kinds of injuries could have pretty sever life-long consequences.

    Yeah. Thats an “open your wallet wide and shut the hell up ” moment.

    • #77
  18. Kozak Member
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    There is a Japanese manufacturing concept called “Poka-yoke” (no, I do not know how to translate it). It is used to design parts that are assembled into products, and part of the design is to make it impossible to assemble it wrong, or backwards. Often it’s a tab or pin or cutout that makes it obvious to the worker that it can only work one way. The standard US power outlet has a mild form of this, where the wide plug side has to go into the wide socket side for proper grounding.

    Medical device manufactures have been trying to idiot proof equipment for decades. It’s pretty much impossible.

    A friend who designed medical equipment told me how they designed a connector for a monitor that could only be connected one way. A frustrated MD who couldn’t get it to “work” proceeded to carve the connecter to make it fit. The idiots will find a way.

    A)Your friend is most likely mistaken – only 1 specialty of MD ever really touches monitors.

    B) but otherwise his point is correct. A few years ago they came out with “needless” injection ports on intravenous tubing. The idea was to prevent need sticks among hospital staff- HIV you know. The problem was it was a “luer lock”mechanism- the same as used on automated blood pressure monitors. So, if you accidentally hooked the blood pressure monitor tubing to the IV you would likely kill the patient due to a lethal air embolism b/c the machine will pump air thru the tubing until the pressure in the tubing is 300mmHg (which it will never reach). After a number of deaths,they replaced EVERY automated blood pressure cuff in the country (there had to be a million+ of them) and replaced every such cuff and the tubing from the monitor with a non-lure lock mechanism.

    Uh not really.  ER docs touch them.  Intensivists and Cardiologists touch them. Anesthesiologists touch them. Residents of lots of specialties touch them.  Particularly when you are dealing with a crisis.  Lots of different monitoring equipment out there. 

    • #78
  19. MiMac Thatcher
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    There is a Japanese manufacturing concept called “Poka-yoke” (no, I do not know how to translate it). It is used to design parts that are assembled into products, and part of the design is to make it impossible to assemble it wrong, or backwards. Often it’s a tab or pin or cutout that makes it obvious to the worker that it can only work one way. The standard US power outlet has a mild form of this, where the wide plug side has to go into the wide socket side for proper grounding.

    Medical device manufactures have been trying to idiot proof equipment for decades. It’s pretty much impossible.

    A friend who designed medical equipment told me how they designed a connector for a monitor that could only be connected one way. A frustrated MD who couldn’t get it to “work” proceeded to carve the connecter to make it fit. The idiots will find a way.

    A)Your friend is most likely mistaken – only 1 specialty of MD ever really touches monitors.

    B) but otherwise his point is correct. A few years ago they came out with “needless” injection ports on intravenous tubing. The idea was to prevent need sticks among hospital staff- HIV you know. The problem was it was a “luer lock”mechanism- the same as used on automated blood pressure monitors. So, if you accidentally hooked the blood pressure monitor tubing to the IV you would likely kill the patient due to a lethal air embolism b/c the machine will pump air thru the tubing until the pressure in the tubing is 300mmHg (which it will never reach). After a number of deaths,they replaced EVERY automated blood pressure cuff in the country (there had to be a million+ of them) and replaced every such cuff and the tubing from the monitor with a non-lure lock mechanism.

    Uh not really. ER docs touch them. Intensivists and Cardiologists touch them. Anesthesiologists touch them. Residents of lots of specialties touch them. Particularly when you are dealing with a crisis. Lots of different monitoring equipment out there.

    Touch isn’t the same as actually work with— and 3 of the 4 specialties you mentioned typical just say “nurse check……”. Most have little understanding of how they actually work (with one exception) and rarely do anything but look at the screen.

    • #79
  20. Kozak Member
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    There is a Japanese manufacturing concept called “Poka-yoke” (no, I do not know how to translate it). It is used to design parts that are assembled into products, and part of the design is to make it impossible to assemble it wrong, or backwards. Often it’s a tab or pin or cutout that makes it obvious to the worker that it can only work one way. The standard US power outlet has a mild form of this, where the wide plug side has to go into the wide socket side for proper grounding.

    Medical device manufactures have been trying to idiot proof equipment for decades. It’s pretty much impossible.

    A friend who designed medical equipment told me how they designed a connector for a monitor that could only be connected one way. A frustrated MD who couldn’t get it to “work” proceeded to carve the connecter to make it fit. The idiots will find a way.

    A)Your friend is most likely mistaken – only 1 specialty of MD ever really touches monitors.

    B) but otherwise his point is correct. A few years ago they came out with “needless” injection ports on intravenous tubing. The idea was to prevent need sticks among hospital staff- HIV you know. The problem was it was a “luer lock”mechanism- the same as used on automated blood pressure monitors. So, if you accidentally hooked the blood pressure monitor tubing to the IV you would likely kill the patient due to a lethal air embolism b/c the machine will pump air thru the tubing until the pressure in the tubing is 300mmHg (which it will never reach). After a number of deaths,they replaced EVERY automated blood pressure cuff in the country (there had to be a million+ of them) and replaced every such cuff and the tubing from the monitor with a non-lure lock mechanism.

    Uh not really. ER docs touch them. Intensivists and Cardiologists touch them. Anesthesiologists touch them. Residents of lots of specialties touch them. Particularly when you are dealing with a crisis. Lots of different monitoring equipment out there.

    Touch isn’t the same as actually work with— and 3 of the 4 specialties you mentioned typical just say “nurse check……”. Most have little understanding of how they actually work (with one exception) and rarely do anything but look at the screen.

    Believe in 30 years in the ER I’ve handled a lot of the equipment. Particularly when the nurse is having a problem with it or, it’s a crisis and I need it done right now.  The same in most specialties, especially when they are residents.   

    • #80
  21. MiMac Thatcher
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    There is a Japanese manufacturing concept called “Poka-yoke” (no, I do not know how to translate it). It is used to design parts that are assembled into products, and part of the design is to make it impossible to assemble it wrong, or backwards. Often it’s a tab or pin or cutout that makes it obvious to the worker that it can only work one way. The standard US power outlet has a mild form of this, where the wide plug side has to go into the wide socket side for proper grounding.

    Medical device manufactures have been trying to idiot proof equipment for decades. It’s pretty much impossible.

    A friend who designed medical equipment told me how they designed a connector for a monitor that could only be connected one way. A frustrated MD who couldn’t get it to “work” proceeded to carve the connecter to make it fit. The idiots will find a way.

    A)Your friend is most likely mistaken – only 1 specialty of MD ever really touches monitors.

    B) but otherwise his point is correct. A few years ago they came out with “needless” injection ports on intravenous tubing. The idea was to prevent need sticks among hospital staff- HIV you know. The problem was it was a “luer lock”mechanism- the same as used on automated blood pressure monitors. So, if you accidentally hooked the blood pressure monitor tubing to the IV you would likely kill the patient due to a lethal air embolism b/c the machine will pump air thru the tubing until the pressure in the tubing is 300mmHg (which it will never reach). After a number of deaths,they replaced EVERY automated blood pressure cuff in the country (there had to be a million+ of them) and replaced every such cuff and the tubing from the monitor with a non-lure lock mechanism.

    Uh not really. ER docs touch them. Intensivists and Cardiologists touch them. Anesthesiologists touch them. Residents of lots of specialties touch them. Particularly when you are dealing with a crisis. Lots of different monitoring equipment out there.

    Touch isn’t the same as actually work with— and 3 of the 4 specialties you mentioned typical just say “nurse check……”. Most have little understanding of how they actually work (with one exception) and rarely do anything but look at the screen.

    Believe in 30 years in the ER I’ve handled a lot of the equipment. Particularly when the nurse is having a problem with it or, it’s a crisis and I need it done right now. The same in most specialties, especially when they are residents.

    in over 30 years i’ve mostly seen ER docs mishandle monitors….

    By and large most ER docs aren’t emergency docs-unfortunately in the american medical system ERs are mostly walk in clinics and are overwhelmed by the mundane. They have an important function in mundane care for the indigent but it actually hurts the “system” in terms of its preparedness to handle REAL emergencies for most ERs in the USA. It is a longstanding problem for emergency medicine. But without serious changes there is no way for the ERs to avoid the problem-unless you are Shock Trauma in Maryland.

    • #81
  22. DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) Coolidge
    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!)
    @DonG

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Make of this what you will: 1) male cop’s TASER is in a cross-draw holster; 2) female cop’s pistol is a Glock with aftermarket three-dot sights.

     

    Uggh.  The training for MPD is for Taser to be holstered off-hand.  They should go further and get rid of cross-draw and require off-hand use.  Sufficient accuracy can be achieved for Taser use. 

    We really need an independent body certifying police departments for using best available training and equipment.  Administratively, policing is in dark ages.   

     

    • #82
  23. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Make of this what you will: 1) male cop’s TASER is in a cross-draw holster; 2) female cop’s pistol is a Glock with aftermarket three-dot sights.

     

    Uggh. The training for MPD is for Taser to be holstered off-hand. They should go further and get rid of cross-draw and require off-hand use. Sufficient accuracy can be achieved for Taser use.

    We really need an independent body certifying police departments for using best available training and equipment. Administratively, policing is in dark ages.

     

    This is what I hate about this stuff.  We are going to go into a whole thing on why the cops blew it.  Maybe they did.  But if this idiot just did what he was told and did not try to run away and fight the cops in the process this would not be an issue.  Frankly this young man died because he was stupid and did not follow instructions.  

    • #83
  24. Miffed White Male Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Make of this what you will: 1) male cop’s TASER is in a cross-draw holster; 2) female cop’s pistol is a Glock with aftermarket three-dot sights.

     

    Uggh. The training for MPD is for Taser to be holstered off-hand. They should go further and get rid of cross-draw and require off-hand use. Sufficient accuracy can be achieved for Taser use.

    We really need an independent body certifying police departments for using best available training and equipment. Administratively, policing is in dark ages.

     

    This is what I hate about this stuff. We are going to go into a whole thing on why the cops blew it. Maybe they did. But if this idiot just did what he was told and did not try to run away and fight the cops in the process this would not be an issue. Frankly this young man died because he was stupid and did not follow instructions.

    While true, that’s a discussion that cannot be had in the current climate.  You’ll be accused of blaming the victim.

     

    • #84
  25. Sisyphus Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Make of this what you will: 1) male cop’s TASER is in a cross-draw holster; 2) female cop’s pistol is a Glock with aftermarket three-dot sights.

     

    Uggh. The training for MPD is for Taser to be holstered off-hand. They should go further and get rid of cross-draw and require off-hand use. Sufficient accuracy can be achieved for Taser use.

    We really need an independent body certifying police departments for using best available training and equipment. Administratively, policing is in dark ages.

     

    This is what I hate about this stuff. We are going to go into a whole thing on why the cops blew it. Maybe they did. But if this idiot just did what he was told and did not try to run away and fight the cops in the process this would not be an issue. Frankly this young man died because he was stupid and did not follow instructions.

    Yes.

    • #85
  26. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    @DrewInWisconsin

    And they will give him the Trayvon Martin treatment, with the media only using pictures of the kid as a smiling 12 year old boy.

    • #86
  27. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    And they will give him the Trayvon Martin treatment, with the media only using pictures of the kid as a smiling 12 year old boy.

    Other pictures may get left out…

    • #87
  28. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Make of this what you will: 1) male cop’s TASER is in a cross-draw holster; 2) female cop’s pistol is a Glock with aftermarket three-dot sights.

     

    Uggh. The training for MPD is for Taser to be holstered off-hand. They should go further and get rid of cross-draw and require off-hand use. Sufficient accuracy can be achieved for Taser use.

    We really need an independent body certifying police departments for using best available training and equipment. Administratively, policing is in dark ages.

     

    This is what I hate about this stuff. We are going to go into a whole thing on why the cops blew it. Maybe they did. But if this idiot just did what he was told and did not try to run away and fight the cops in the process this would not be an issue. Frankly this young man died because he was stupid and did not follow instructions.

    While true, that’s a discussion that cannot be had in the current climate. You’ll be accused of blaming the victim.

     

    He is not a victim.  He is a criminal evading capture.

    • #88
  29. Doug Watt Member
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    @DougWatt

    As painful as it might be not only the Brooklyn, Minn. PD will have to examine their training model, and other police departments around the country should also take a look at went wrong on this traffic stop that included the discovery of a warrant. Traffic stops lead to many warrant discoveries across the United States.

    An investigation of an incident that goes wrong has two purposes. One is to evaluate an officer(s) actions to determine an officer’s fitness, and the second is to modify the training of officers if necessary.

    Police officers understand, or should understand that until you have handcuffed, searched, and placed a subject in the backseat of a police car you do not have full control of a subject. Anything can happen until that process is completed.

    A subject that resists arrest has no control over the situation either. Resisting arrest can lead to serious physical injury, or death to the subject, and to police officers as well.

    • #89
  30. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Instugator (View Comment):

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    I wonder how experienced she was. In the Minneapolis area, it seems, based on the Damond and Floyd cases, that they have a heck of a lot of cops with fewer than 2 years on the job.

    Plus, they prioritize ‘diversity’ over competence. See Mohamed Noor.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/07/us/minneapolis-police-sentencing-mohamed-noor.html?0p19G=6214

    That’s why I asked #59.

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