A Mess in Minneapolis, Again

 

Rioting in Minneapolis, again, after a police shooting.  I have no idea of the details (other than it was during a traffic stop) but look at this statement from the governor:

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz tweeted he was “closely monitoring the situation” and “praying for Daunte Wright’s family as our state mourns another life of a Black man taken by law enforcement.”

Holy moly.  Let’s encourage a race war, governor. Are these people insane?

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  1. Kozak Member
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    Arthur Beare (View Comment):

    JamesSalerno (View Comment):

    “In a statement, Brooklyn Center Police said that officers had stopped an individual shortly before 2 p.m. Sunday. After determining the driver had an outstanding warrant, police tried to arrest him. But the driver reentered the vehicle and drove away, police said. An officer fired at the vehicle, striking the driver. Police said the vehicle traveled several blocks before crashing into another vehicle. A female passenger sustained nonlife-threatening injuries.”

    This does not jjbe with the taser story at all. There is no way a taser will penetrate a vehicle pulling away; probably would not even reach it.

     

    Watch the video. She shoots before the car pulls away.

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  2. Kozak Member
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    There is a Japanese manufacturing concept called “Poka-yoke” (no, I do not know how to translate it). It is used to design parts that are assembled into products, and part of the design is to make it impossible to assemble it wrong, or backwards. Often it’s a tab or pin or cutout that makes it obvious to the worker that it can only work one way. The standard US power outlet has a mild form of this, where the wide plug side has to go into the wide socket side for proper grounding.

     

     

    Medical device manufactures have been trying to idiot proof equipment for decades.  It’s pretty much impossible.

    A friend who designed medical equipment told me how they designed a connector for a monitor that could only be connected one way.  A frustrated MD who couldn’t get it to “work” proceeded to carve the connecter to make it fit.   The idiots will find a way.

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  3. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Medical device manufactures have been trying to idiot proof equipment for decades. It’s pretty much impossible.

    A friend who designed medical equipment told me how they designed a connector for a monitor that could only be connected one way. A frustrated MD who couldn’t get it to “work” proceeded to carve the connecter to make it fit. The idiots will find a way.

    I’m glad that MD is not my doctor.

     

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  4. James Lileks Contributor
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    ctlaw (View Comment):

    I wonder how experienced she was. In the Minneapolis area, it seems, based on the Damond and Floyd cases, that they have a heck of a lot of cops with fewer than 2 years on the job.

    Brooklyn Center Police Chief described her as “a very senior officer.”

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  5. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    I wonder how experienced she was. In the Minneapolis area, it seems, based on the Damond and Floyd cases, that they have a heck of a lot of cops with fewer than 2 years on the job.

    Brooklyn Center Police Chief described her as “a very senior officer.”

    As in . . . octogenarian?

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  6. DJ EJ Member
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    Idiotic tweets like that are par for the course for Upper Midwestern governors. Here’s the tweet thread from my blandly tyrannical Wisconsin governor Tony Evers only a few hours after the Jacob Blake shooting in Kenosha:

    “Tonight, Jacob Blake was shot in the back multiple times, in broad daylight, in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Kathy and I join his family, friends, and neighbors in hoping earnestly that he will not succumb to his injuries.” 11:35pm August 23rd, 2020

    While we do not have all of the details yet, what we know for certain is that he is not the first Black man or person to have been shot or injured or mercilessly killed at the hands of individuals in law enforcement in our state or our country.” 11:35pm August 23rd, 2020

    We stand with all those who have and continue to demand justice, equity, and accountability for Black lives in our country—lives like those of George Floyd, of Breonna Taylor, Tony Robinson, Dontre Hamilton, Ernest Lacy, and Sylville Smith.” 11:35pm August 23rd, 2020

    “And we stand against excessive use of force and immediate escalation when engaging with Black Wisconsinites.” 11:35pm August 23rd, 2020

    I have said all along that although we must offer our empathy, equally important is our action. In the coming days, we will demand just that of elected officials in our state who have failed to recognize the racism in our state and our country for far too long.” 11:35pm August 23rd, 2020

    Initial observations are that this thread was thought out beforehand and copied and pasted to post all at once at 11:35pm, that there are some incredible and dangerous assumptions made without knowing the specifics (“while we do not have all of the details yet”), and that the governor is taking a definite view of the incident, assuming that racism was involved, and was accusing the Kenosha police of excessive force without knowing the details of the incident.

    And what did we learn later as an actual investigation took place? Blake had been to this address (his ex’s) previously where he was already charged with breaking and entering, sexual assault, and theft. She called the police when he showed up again on August 23rd and was in the process of stealing her car and kidnapping children that she had custody of. He resisted arrest, wrestled with the officers, had been tased twice, and was armed with a knife while walking toward the vehicle with children in it.

    We all know what happened in Kenosha in the days that followed when Evers only sent a token National Guard force to protect just the government buildings, while BLM and Antifa rioters burned the rest of Kenosha to the ground and shots were fired (the Kyle Rittenhouse incident). Evers sent additional National Guard after the town was a smoldering ruin and the press and polling turned against him.

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  7. DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) Coolidge
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    The view from my office lobby:

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    The way things are going, you better add razor wire, a moat, and some gators.

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  8. Doug Watt Member
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    I’m not impressed with the handcuffing of the subject. The subject should have been placed up against a solid part of car rather than the open drivers door, or face down on the the deck lid. A second officer should have had the subjects elbow pinned against his/her body with the instep of their boot against his heel. The second officer then can use their free hand to make it easier to handcuff the subjects second wrist. This allows the officer to assess attempts to resist, and it makes it easier to take someone down to the pavement if that becomes necessary.

    The girlfriend should have been removed from the vehicle.

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  9. Jim McConnell Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    The view from my office lobby:

     

     

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  10. Miffed White Male Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    The NY Post reports: “The black man who died during a traffic stop in Minnesota was fatally shot by an officer who mistook her gun for a Taser, officials said Monday, as they played body camera footage from the incident for the first time.”

    Is that even possible?

    Yes, if the Taser is holstered on the same side of the duty belt as the handgun that could be possible.

    Maybe they need to redesign the Taser so it functions in a completely different manner from a firearm.

    Push the trigger forward instead of pull it back?

     

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  11. Miffed White Male Member
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    I’m not impressed with the handcuffing of the subject. The subject should have been placed up against a solid part of car rather than the open drivers door, or face down on the the deck lid. A second officer should have had the subjects elbow pinned against his/her body with the instep of their boot against his heel. The second officer then can use their free hand to make it easier to handcuff the subjects second wrist. This allows the officer to assess attempts to resist, and it makes easier to take someone down to the pavement if that becomes necessary.

    The girlfriend should have been removed from the vehicle.

    I thought all these young black kids were getting “the talk” from their parents about how to interact with cops to avoid getting shot.

    So how come they keep resisting?

     

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  12. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    I’ll chime in, once again, to caution against a rush to judgment.  Details are usually sketchy in such events, and often wrong.  Videos are usually clipped and taken out of context.

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  13. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I’ll chime in, once again, to caution against a rush to judgment. Details are usually sketchy in such events, and often wrong. Videos are usually clipped and taken out of context.

    And as we’ve seen many times, n a video shows only one angle of view, and rarely shows the full time period of an interaction. [I have not watched the video, and do not intend to, as I know that more information will come out later that may put an entirely different “spin” on the video that is currently available. ]

    I don’t think it helpful that yet another politician, President Biden, has added his own speculation to the mix without pointing out the limitations of the video. 

    I know that politicians, such as the governor and the president, have an insatiable desire to have their faces appear on camera, but what do they really think they are accomplishing with their speculations and platitudes?

     

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  14. Sisyphus Member
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I’ll chime in, once again, to caution against a rush to judgment. Details are usually sketchy in such events, and often wrong. Videos are usually clipped and taken out of context.

    And as we’ve seen many times, n a video shows only one angle of view, and rarely shows the full time period of an interaction. [I have not watched the video, and do not intend to, as I know that more information will come out later that may put an entirely different “spin” on the video that is currently available. ]

    I don’t think it helpful that yet another politician, President Biden, has added his own speculation to the mix without pointing out the limitations of the video.

    I know that politicians, such as the governor and the president, have an insatiable desire to have their faces appear on camera, but what do they really think they are accomplishing with their speculations and platitudes?

    Biden wants to outdo Obama in everything. Obviously, mouthing off about legal cases with no information is an are where Obama is world champion. Schmucks.

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  15. DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I’ll chime in, once again, to caution against a rush to judgment. Details are usually sketchy in such events, and often wrong. Videos are usually clipped and taken out of context.

    Not this time.    This is not the first time a cop/security guard confused their gun for a Taser.  It probably won’t be last without much better training.  Off hand being the most obvious.   Every time a plane crashes in this country an investigation is done to decide if some procedure or human interface needs improving.   We don’t do that for police interactions and many more Americans (including cops) die from police interactions than plane crashes. 

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  16. TBA Coolidge
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    The NY Post reports: “The black man who died during a traffic stop in Minnesota was fatally shot by an officer who mistook her gun for a Taser, officials said Monday, as they played body camera footage from the incident for the first time.”

    Is that even possible?

    I’m sure that with the proper amount of adrenaline I could mistake a football for a gun. 

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  17. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    I was listening to Megyn Kelly talking with Dershowitz about the Chauvin trial. They were discussing how the science and hard facts seem to be breaking toward the defense. So the prosecution is building it’s case on emotion, or at least using emotion as a primary, essential component. Dershowitz called it good lawyering and Kelly didn’t object. The other no-name lawyers Kelly had on were similarly caught up in horse-race type analysis and what works as opposed to what’s true.

    I understand why a defense case might try to bring in emotional appeals, and I understand why our system generally resists those attempts unless there is a clear relevance to supporting an essential element. What I don’t understand is how a prosecutor can conscientiously bring charges that he can’t support based on the facts and that he can only hope to prosecute if he gins up emotional appeals. Furthermore I don’t understand how uninvolved lawyers could take it all in such stride.

    This is our system turned on its head. This is a giant step to totalitarianism.

    Some people are simply too stupid to realize what they’re doing, yet somehow they find themselves in positions of power and influence. Others dare smart enough, but they only care about themselves. Others simply don’t care about liberty but they’re not exactly advertising it so the stupid are easily fooled by the irrelevant emotional appeals. Then there are the true believers in evil causes. Chief Arradondo and Gov Walz seem to be among these.

    I understand that many on here consider me cynical.  This is why.  Our legal system is not about right or wrong, not really about legal and not legal and justice is not even in the mix.  It is all about politics and gaining advantage.  Chauvin will most likely go to jail because of politics.  People’s agendas and careers are on the line.  There is money to be made.  There are political points to be scored and outrage to be harvested.  The whole mess is disgusting.   

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  18. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    I wonder how experienced she was. In the Minneapolis area, it seems, based on the Damond and Floyd cases, that they have a heck of a lot of cops with fewer than 2 years on the job.

    Brooklyn Center Police Chief described her as “a very senior officer.”

    Soon to be an very senior ex-officer.

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  19. TBA Coolidge
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    I was listening to Megyn Kelly talking with Dershowitz about the Chauvin trial. They were discussing how the science and hard facts seem to be breaking toward the defense. So the prosecution is building it’s case on emotion, or at least using emotion as a primary, essential component. Dershowitz called it good lawyering and Kelly didn’t object. The other no-name lawyers Kelly had on were similarly caught up in horse-race type analysis and what works as opposed to what’s true.

    I understand why a defense case might try to bring in emotional appeals, and I understand why our system generally resists those attempts unless there is a clear relevance to supporting an essential element. What I don’t understand is how a prosecutor can conscientiously bring charges that he can’t support based on the facts and that he can only hope to prosecute if he gins up emotional appeals. Furthermore I don’t understand how uninvolved lawyers could take it all in such stride.

    This is our system turned on its head. This is a giant step to totalitarianism.

    Some people are simply too stupid to realize what they’re doing, yet somehow they find themselves in positions of power and influence. Others dare smart enough, but they only care about themselves. Others simply don’t care about liberty but they’re not exactly advertising it so the stupid are easily fooled by the irrelevant emotional appeals. Then there are the true believers in evil causes. Chief Arradondo and Gov Walz seem to be among these.

    They are afraid. 

    They are afraid that if they don’t try to prosecute, they will be though of as racist and/or the city will burn (more). 

    Once they start prosecuting, they become afraid that if they lose the case, the city will burn (more). 

    They are no longer in charge of justice, the mob is. 

    That they act this way is one of the thousands of kinds of corruption natural to mankind. I would pity them more, but the costs from this will be deep and long-lasting. 

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  20. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    They have got to stop arresting minorities or this stuff is going to get out of control.

    You joke, but that’s actually the viewpoint of certain leftist agitators — that it’s irresponsible to arrest minorities.

    Well if the police are not going to stop arresting minorities then they can at least remove all white people from the police force / legal system.  It may be a time where whites are no longer allowed to work in the legal system because of the racist angle.  Maybe we will have to have separate police / legal systems, the normal one for whites and another minority system that has relaxed laws that can be ignored and staffed only by minorities that are willing to use their lived experience to give minorities a break.

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  21. TBA Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    There is a Japanese manufacturing concept called “Poka-yoke” (no, I do not know how to translate it). It is used to design parts that are assembled into products, and part of the design is to make it impossible to assemble it wrong, or backwards. Often it’s a tab or pin or cutout that makes it obvious to the worker that it can only work one way. The standard US power outlet has a mild form of this, where the wide plug side has to go into the wide socket side for proper grounding.

     

     

    Medical device manufactures have been trying to idiot proof equipment for decades. It’s pretty much impossible.

    A friend who designed medical equipment told me how they designed a connector for a monitor that could only be connected one way. A frustrated MD who couldn’t get it to “work” proceeded to carve the connecter to make it fit. The idiots will find a way.

    Designer: “It’s idiot proof!” 

    Idiot: “You do realize I’m going to have to ask you to hold my beer at this point, right?” 

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  22. TBA Coolidge
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    They have got to stop arresting minorities or this stuff is going to get out of control.

    You joke, but that’s actually the viewpoint of certain leftist agitators — that it’s irresponsible to arrest minorities.

    Well if the police are not going to stop arresting minorities then they can at least remove all white people from the police force / legal system. It may be a time where whites are no longer allowed to work in the legal system because of the racist angle. Maybe we will have to have separate police / legal systems, the normal one for whites and another minority system that has relaxed laws that can be ignored and staffed only by minorities that are willing to use their lived experience to give minorities a break.

    Because racism is ‘systemic’, no matter what color a cop is, he is deputized as white. 

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  23. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    They have got to stop arresting minorities or this stuff is going to get out of control.

    You joke, but that’s actually the viewpoint of certain leftist agitators — that it’s irresponsible to arrest minorities.

    Well if the police are not going to stop arresting minorities then they can at least remove all white people from the police force / legal system. It may be a time where whites are no longer allowed to work in the legal system because of the racist angle. Maybe we will have to have separate police / legal systems, the normal one for whites and another minority system that has relaxed laws that can be ignored and staffed only by minorities that are willing to use their lived experience to give minorities a break.

    Because racism is ‘systemic’, no matter what color a cop is, he is deputized as white.

    Maybe, but there is not doubt that they get really jassed when a white is involved.  Sure they can claim the black cop is white but it does not have the same effect.  Whites need to step away and let the black community deal with itself.  They hate whites and frankly I am tired of getting blamed for something I am not involved with.  Let the black community handle their own issues.  If black community wants a world of gang banging, theft and rape then who are the whites to take away their culture?   

    • #53
  24. Doug Watt Member
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    Warrant info:

    Wright had a warrant out for his arrest after he failed to appear in court on charges that he fled from officers and possessed a gun without a permit during a run-in with Minneapolis police in June, according to the Associated Press. Police received a call in that case that a man, who was later identified as Wright, was waving a gun.

    Claims are being made that he didn’t know about the warrant, but I find that hard to believe that he didn’t know about his court date. He ran before and he got away with that. That does not excuse the officer that believed she had a taser in her hand. Resisting arrest, and running did not work out the second time due to a tragic accident.

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  25. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    I was listening to Megyn Kelly talking with Dershowitz about the Chauvin trial. They were discussing how the science and hard facts seem to be breaking toward the defense. So the prosecution is building it’s case on emotion, or at least using emotion as a primary, essential component. Dershowitz called it good lawyering and Kelly didn’t object. The other no-name lawyers Kelly had on were similarly caught up in horse-race type analysis and what works as opposed to what’s true.

    I understand why a defense case might try to bring in emotional appeals, and I understand why our system generally resists those attempts unless there is a clear relevance to supporting an essential element. What I don’t understand is how a prosecutor can conscientiously bring charges that he can’t support based on the facts and that he can only hope to prosecute if he gins up emotional appeals. Furthermore I don’t understand how uninvolved lawyers could take it all in such stride.

    This is our system turned on its head. This is a giant step to totalitarianism.

    Some people are simply too stupid to realize what they’re doing, yet somehow they find themselves in positions of power and influence. Others dare smart enough, but they only care about themselves. Others simply don’t care about liberty but they’re not exactly advertising it so the stupid are easily fooled by the irrelevant emotional appeals. Then there are the true believers in evil causes. Chief Arradondo and Gov Walz seem to be among these.

    They are afraid.

    They are afraid that if they don’t try to prosecute, they will be though of as racist and/or the city will burn (more).

    Once they start prosecuting, they become afraid that if they lose the case, the city will burn (more).

    They are no longer in charge of justice, the mob is.

    That they act this way is one of the thousands of kinds of corruption natural to mankind. I would pity them more, but the costs from this will be deep and long-lasting.

    I don’t think they are afraid at all.  From what I know of these type they are true believers in it for the $$$

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  26. TBA Coolidge
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    I was listening to Megyn Kelly talking with Dershowitz about the Chauvin trial. They were discussing how the science and hard facts seem to be breaking toward the defense. So the prosecution is building it’s case on emotion, or at least using emotion as a primary, essential component. Dershowitz called it good lawyering and Kelly didn’t object. The other no-name lawyers Kelly had on were similarly caught up in horse-race type analysis and what works as opposed to what’s true.

    I understand why a defense case might try to bring in emotional appeals, and I understand why our system generally resists those attempts unless there is a clear relevance to supporting an essential element. What I don’t understand is how a prosecutor can conscientiously bring charges that he can’t support based on the facts and that he can only hope to prosecute if he gins up emotional appeals. Furthermore I don’t understand how uninvolved lawyers could take it all in such stride.

    This is our system turned on its head. This is a giant step to totalitarianism.

    Some people are simply too stupid to realize what they’re doing, yet somehow they find themselves in positions of power and influence. Others dare smart enough, but they only care about themselves. Others simply don’t care about liberty but they’re not exactly advertising it so the stupid are easily fooled by the irrelevant emotional appeals. Then there are the true believers in evil causes. Chief Arradondo and Gov Walz seem to be among these.

    They are afraid.

    They are afraid that if they don’t try to prosecute, they will be though of as racist and/or the city will burn (more).

    Once they start prosecuting, they become afraid that if they lose the case, the city will burn (more).

    They are no longer in charge of justice, the mob is.

    That they act this way is one of the thousands of kinds of corruption natural to mankind. I would pity them more, but the costs from this will be deep and long-lasting.

    I don’t think they are afraid at all. From what I know of these type they are true believers in it for the $$$

    Both things can be true if the prosecutors believe they will lose their positions depending on the outcome of the case. 

    • #56
  27. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    And we still don’t know who killed Ashli Babbitt.

    • #57
  28. TBA Coolidge
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Warrant info:

    Wright had a warrant out for his arrest after he failed to appear in court on charges that he fled from officers and possessed a gun without a permit during a run-in with Minneapolis police in June, according to the Associated Press. Police received a call in that case that a man, who was later identified as Wright, was waving a gun.

    Claims are being made that he didn’t know about the warrant, but I find that hard to believe that he didn’t know about his court date. He ran before and he got away with that. That does not excuse the officer that believed she had a taser in her hand. Resisting arrest, and running did not work out the second time due to a tragic accident.

    This case aside, as a general rule; suspects who miss court dates for charges of illegal possession or illegal use of firearms have already distinguished themselves as both non-compliant and dangerous. 

    Another thought; just because she says ‘taser’ doesn’t mean she wasn’t aware that she had a pistol in hand. It may have been part of a strategy (don’t ask me what the strategy was, I don’t know, and it is possible she didn’t know what the strategy was either). 

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
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    ctlaw (View Comment):

    I wonder how experienced she was. In the Minneapolis area, it seems, based on the Damond and Floyd cases, that they have a heck of a lot of cops with fewer than 2 years on the job.

    Could she be Somali?  They seem to have a problem there too.

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    The NY Post reports: “The black man who died during a traffic stop in Minnesota was fatally shot by an officer who mistook her gun for a Taser, officials said Monday, as they played body camera footage from the incident for the first time.”

    Is that even possible?

    Yes, if the Taser is holstered on the same side of the duty belt as the handgun that could be possible.

    Maybe they need to redesign the Taser so it functions in a completely different manner from a firearm.

    Push the trigger forward instead of pull it back?

     

    In at least one of the Matt  Helm movies starring Dean Martin, he had a gun that fires back at the holder if the trigger is pulled normally, and fires forward if the trigger is pushed.  It was effective, and funny.

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