A Mess in Minneapolis, Again

 

Rioting in Minneapolis, again, after a police shooting.  I have no idea of the details (other than it was during a traffic stop) but look at this statement from the governor:

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz tweeted he was “closely monitoring the situation” and “praying for Daunte Wright’s family as our state mourns another life of a Black man taken by law enforcement.”

Holy moly.  Let’s encourage a race war, governor. Are these people insane?

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  1. Sisyphus Member
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    Now they can acquit Chauvin with a deterioration in civic order.

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  2. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    They have got to stop arresting minorities or this stuff is going to get out of control.

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  3. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Tex929rr: “Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz tweeted he was “closely monitoring the situation” and “praying for Daunte Wright’s family as our state mourns another life of a Black man taken by law enforcement.””

    That is an absolutely incredible statement.  From the governor.  What on earth is he thinking?

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  4. JamesSalerno Coolidge
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    “In a statement, Brooklyn Center Police said that officers had stopped an individual shortly before 2 p.m. Sunday. After determining the driver had an outstanding warrant, police tried to arrest him. But the driver reentered the vehicle and drove away, police said. An officer fired at the vehicle, striking the driver. Police said the vehicle traveled several blocks before crashing into another vehicle. A female passenger sustained nonlife-threatening injuries.”

    And this probably covers less than 10% of what actually happened. Sad that everyone, including the city, feels the need to make “statements” with such little information.

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  5. American Abroad Thatcher
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    No, he is not insane.  Just playing into the narrative so that a fawning press will give favorable coverage in the next campaign. 

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  6. Kozak Member
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    Apparently the defense in the Chauvin case moved to sequester the jury after this shooting ( stunned they weren’t already) and the judge refused the motion.

     

    The fix is in.

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  7. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Coolidge
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    They have got to stop arresting minorities or this stuff is going to get out of control.

    You joke, but that’s actually the viewpoint of certain leftist agitators — that it’s irresponsible to arrest minorities.

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  8. Ron Selander Member
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    American Abroad (View Comment):

    No, he is not insane. Just playing into the narrative so that a fawning press will give favorable coverage in the next campai

    American Abroad (View Comment):

    No, he is not insane. Just playing into the narrative so that a fawning press will give favorable coverage in the next campaign.

    How, exactly, do you know that he is not insane?

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  9. American Abroad Thatcher
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    Ron Selander (View Comment):

    American Abroad (View Comment):

    No, he is not insane. Just playing into the narrative so that a fawning press will give favorable coverage in the next campai

     

    How, exactly, do you know that he is not insane?

    If you are a politician, the rational choice is to be a progressive.  You get an easy narrative to defend, and you get a compliant press to assure low-information voters that you are the right type of person who cares.  I grant that I have no first-hand knowledge of Walz’s sanity, but I pity the rational man in Minneapolis calling for a fair hearing regarding officers invovled in the George Floyd case or Daunte Wright shooting.  

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  10. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Coolidge
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    American Abroad (View Comment):
    I grant that I have no first-hand knowledge of Walz’s sanity

    He’s not clinically insane like Mark Dayton, . . . but I don’t think he’s that much better.

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  11. James Lileks Contributor
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    The view from my office lobby:

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  12. Sisyphus Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    The view from my office lobby:

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Flammable. Bad choice.

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  13. Headedwest Coolidge
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    The NY Post reports: “The black man who died during a traffic stop in Minnesota was fatally shot by an officer who mistook her gun for a Taser, officials said Monday, as they played body camera footage from the incident for the first time.”

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  14. Stad Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Apparently the defense in the Chauvin case moved to sequester the jury after this shooting ( stunned they weren’t already) and the judge refused the motion.

     

    The fix is in.

    Overturned on appeal . . .

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  15. Doug Watt Moderator
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    Unfortunately this story from the media is sadly lacking any real information. We know there was a warrant for his arrest, but we don’t know the what and why of the warrant.

    Was it a felony warrant, or a misdemeanor warrant? What type of crime concerns the warrant? That does not justify the violent response, and rioting to the incident from the community.

    The media will always highlight the family comments such as he was a good person, or he was turning his life around.

    Homicide investigations take time, and all deaths at the hand of another are called homicides, but there is a difference between homicide and murder. The shooting of paranoid schizophrenic man in Portland by police (threatening citizens and officers with an edged weapon) generated a 400 page report from homicide detectives. Unlike televised crime dramas it takes more than an hour to sort out the full story.

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  16. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    The NY Post reports: “The black man who died during a traffic stop in Minnesota was fatally shot by an officer who mistook her gun for a Taser, officials said Monday, as they played body camera footage from the incident for the first time.”

    Is that even possible?

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  17. Sisyphus Member
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    The NY Post reports: “The black man who died during a traffic stop in Minnesota was fatally shot by an officer who mistook her gun for a Taser, officials said Monday, as they played body camera footage from the incident for the first time.”

    Wow. Wrong time, wrong place, worst possible mistake. She is now the heart of the whirlwind. I haven’t seen a name yet. 

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  18. Doug Watt Moderator
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    The NY Post reports: “The black man who died during a traffic stop in Minnesota was fatally shot by an officer who mistook her gun for a Taser, officials said Monday, as they played body camera footage from the incident for the first time.”

    Is that even possible?

    Yes, if the Taser is holstered on the same side of the duty belt as the handgun that could be possible.

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  19. Ed G. Member
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    I was listening to Megyn Kelly talking with Dershowitz about the Chauvin trial. They were discussing how the science and hard facts seem to be breaking toward the defense. So the prosecution is building it’s case on emotion, or at least using emotion as a primary, essential component. Dershowitz called it good lawyering and Kelly didn’t object. The other no-name lawyers Kelly had on were similarly caught up in horse-race type analysis and what works as opposed to what’s true. 

    I understand why a defense case might try to bring in emotional appeals, and I understand why our system generally resists those attempts unless there is a clear relevance to supporting an essential element. What I don’t understand is how a prosecutor can conscientiously bring charges that he can’t support based on the facts and that he can only hope to prosecute if he gins up emotional appeals. Furthermore I don’t understand how uninvolved lawyers could take it all in such stride. 

    This is our system turned on its head. This is a giant step to totalitarianism. 

    Some people are simply too stupid to realize what they’re doing, yet somehow they find themselves in positions of power and influence. Others dare smart enough, but they only care about themselves. Others simply don’t care about liberty but they’re not exactly advertising it so the stupid are easily fooled by the irrelevant emotional appeals. Then there are the true believers in evil causes. Chief Arradondo and Gov Walz seem to be among these. 

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  20. Kozak Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    The view from my office lobby:

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Walls Don’t Work.  We’ve been told that by the Brightest Minds.

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  21. Kozak Member
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    The NY Post reports: “The black man who died during a traffic stop in Minnesota was fatally shot by an officer who mistook her gun for a Taser, officials said Monday, as they played body camera footage from the incident for the first time.”

    Is that even possible?

    Yes, if the Taser is holstered on the same side of the duty belt as the handgun that could be possible.

    Maybe  they need to redesign the Taser so it functions in a completely different manner from a firearm.

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  22. Doug Watt Moderator
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    The NY Post reports: “The black man who died during a traffic stop in Minnesota was fatally shot by an officer who mistook her gun for a Taser, officials said Monday, as they played body camera footage from the incident for the first time.”

    Is that even possible?

    Yes, if the Taser is holstered on the same side of the duty belt as the handgun that could be possible.

    Maybe they need to redesign the Taser so it functions in a completely different manner from a firearm.

    The Taser has a different paint color scheme than the handgun, and it does not weigh as much as a handgun. Bean bag shotguns have a different paint scheme than the regular shotgun, and a bean bag shotgun will not chamber a 12 gauge buckshot round, or a 12 gauge slug.

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  23. Kozak Member
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    The NY Post reports: “The black man who died during a traffic stop in Minnesota was fatally shot by an officer who mistook her gun for a Taser, officials said Monday, as they played body camera footage from the incident for the first time.”

    Is that even possible?

    Yes, if the Taser is holstered on the same side of the duty belt as the handgun that could be possible.

    Maybe they need to redesign the Taser so it functions in a completely different manner from a firearm.

    The Taser has a different paint color scheme than the handgun, and it does not weigh as much as a handgun. Bean bag shotguns have a different paint scheme than the regular shotgun, and a bean bag shotgun will not chamber a 12 gauge buckshot round, or a 12 gauge slug.

    So the officer panicked or was incompetent?  Still think the mechanism of the Taser should be different so this kind of “mistake” just does not happen.

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  24. Kozak Member
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    Oh brother.  She had plenty of time to realize her error before shooting.

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  25. Ed G. Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    The NY Post reports: “The black man who died during a traffic stop in Minnesota was fatally shot by an officer who mistook her gun for a Taser, officials said Monday, as they played body camera footage from the incident for the first time.”

    Is that even possible?

    Yes, if the Taser is holstered on the same side of the duty belt as the handgun that could be possible.

    Maybe they need to redesign the Taser so it functions in a completely different manner from a firearm.

    Some great ideas in the works from this promising young inventor…

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  26. Ed G. Member
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    I’m sorry for the glib post. I’ve been so wound up in ranting – I need some comic relief. 

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  27. Arthur Beare Member
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    JamesSalerno (View Comment):

    “In a statement, Brooklyn Center Police said that officers had stopped an individual shortly before 2 p.m. Sunday. After determining the driver had an outstanding warrant, police tried to arrest him. But the driver reentered the vehicle and drove away, police said. An officer fired at the vehicle, striking the driver. Police said the vehicle traveled several blocks before crashing into another vehicle. A female passenger sustained nonlife-threatening injuries.”

    This does not jjbe with the taser story at all.  There is no way a taser will penetrate a vehicle pulling away; probably would not even reach it.

     

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  28. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    So the officer panicked or was incompetent? Still think the mechanism of the Taser should be different so this kind of “mistake” just does not happen.

    There is a Japanese manufacturing concept called “Poka-yoke” (no, I do not know how to translate it). It is used to design parts that are assembled into products, and part of the design is to make it impossible to assemble it wrong, or backwards. Often it’s a tab or pin or cutout that makes it obvious to the worker that it can only work one way. The standard US power outlet has a mild form of this, where the wide plug side has to go into the wide socket side for proper grounding.

    If both the Taser and the gun have triggers that you pull, it’s an accident waiting to happen (and apparently just did). Most of the Taser images I pulled up in an image search have triggers, some rather like a pistol trigger.

    You could imagine a Taser that worked from a thumb button at the rear instead of a trigger, for example. Different direction, different finger.

     

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  29. ctlaw Coolidge
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    I wonder how experienced she was. In the Minneapolis area, it seems, based on the Damond and Floyd cases, that they have a heck of a lot of cops with fewer than 2 years on the job.

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  30. Sisyphus Member
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    Arthur Beare (View Comment):

    JamesSalerno (View Comment):

    “In a statement, Brooklyn Center Police said that officers had stopped an individual shortly before 2 p.m. Sunday. After determining the driver had an outstanding warrant, police tried to arrest him. But the driver reentered the vehicle and drove away, police said. An officer fired at the vehicle, striking the driver. Police said the vehicle traveled several blocks before crashing into another vehicle. A female passenger sustained nonlife-threatening injuries.”

    This does not jjbe with the taser story at all. There is no way a taser will penetrate a vehicle pulling away; probably would not even reach it.

     

    Looking at the video, I think she shoots when he slams the door closed just before pulling away. If she thought she was holding a taser, she was trying to beat the door slamming closed. Reactions and all of that. Hard to tell for sure. 

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