‘Weak God’ Clergy

 

I am an agnostic. As the Bible says God “works in mysterious ways.” For me, that mystery is such that I do not so much doubt God’s existence as I cannot comprehend God’s plan.

But there is a group of men and women for whom this ought not be said: the clergy. And yet far too many are not acting with certainty and conviction. Instapundit has pointed to a piece by Michael Walsh — Clergy Who Bowed to COVID Fears Need to Face a Reckoning — that highlights the fecklessness of clergy in the face of authority.

Like the doctors and nurses who suddenly discovered and complained that their work was dangerous—as if medicine were to be practiced simply as “wellness” and not when the Grim Reaper comes calling on the fields of battle or in the charnel houses of an epidemic—the clergy has all but admitted that what they do, or what they pretended to do, was a frivolity only to be practiced at the sufferance of the local commissars.

In 1844, when anti-Catholic nativists threatened to burn down Old St. Patrick’s Cathedral in New York City, Bishop John J. Hughes gathered his parishioners, some of them armed, and promised the Protestant mob that any assault on the church would be met with deadly force. If a single Catholic church was burned, “Dagger John” announced to the city, the despised immigrant Irish would burn New York to the ground. Not a church was touched.

As Glenn Reynolds said in conjunction with his link to the Walsh article: “Yeah, well, that kind of muscular Christianity has gone out of style.”

And that isn’t the only muscle that has gone flaccid. If you truly believe that God is in charge, you do not accede to government intrusions on religious practice. Faith persists even in the Age of Science, so why have so many clergy acceded to policies disrupting religious practice “in the name of science?” It can only be their own or their parishioner’s fear. If your religion cannot deal with that fear, then it is no religion at all. Your God is weak, and stupid, and uncaring, and useless. My suspicion is that God is none of these, but you are.

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  1. Jules PA Inactive
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):
    [T]here was a congregation a few miles west of here where the congregation, which was elderly in complexion, acted in rank rebellion against the governor’s restrictions, and a month later most of those parishioners were dead from Covid.

    A stiff price to pay for civic blasphemy. But no doubt they have been accepted into the arms of God. If God has a plan who is to say that their choice was wrong?

    I realize you are agnostic, but let me assure you that, in most denominations, providing leadership that results in the unnecessary deaths of more than half of your congregation is not viewed as laudatory, judicious, or gracious.

    Prohibiting people to make choices is not leadership, laudatory, judicious, or gracious. Especially in America, and especially when prohibitions interfere with the free exercise of worship. 

    What an inheritance of faith has been wasted and lost in this nation.

    Alas, there is nothing new under the sun. Not one thing. 

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  2. Jules PA Inactive
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):
    often see Catholicism and ambition as different sides of the same coin.

    Oh CarolJoy, that is just humanity, with sin and weakness on one side of the coin. The Church, any Church, is made of flawed people. 

    Our error is to believe that our leaders are exempt from foibles and sin. So to, worse, when leaders believe they are exempt. 

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  3. Jules PA Inactive
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    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Most clergy these days are afraid of losing their tax exemption, and I imagine they know that the parties in power now would yank it in a heartbeat.

    As to Northam, how does his approval of infanticide not make him “antichrist”?

    Northam is a mere minion, practically a choir boy, compared to the Antichrist. 

    We’ve seen nothing yet, but a mere shadow. LORD have mercy.

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  4. Jules PA Inactive
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I don’t think that this criticism is fair.

    True Christian leaders have to consider, among other things, Romans 13:1-7 (NIV translation):

    Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

    6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

    Perhaps the Epoch Times is not the best source of guidance for Christian believers.

    I don’t recall the details, but I do think that John MacArthur’s church in California struggled with these issues, though it generally managed to remain open.

    Mordechai refused to bow to the King. Escaped the gallows with G-d’s intervention.

    Daniel also, then sent to the lion’s den.

    Shadraak, Meshaak, Abednego, thrown to the fiery furnace.

    The line for absolute obedience requires discernment. And personal accountability, of course.

    Would that we all had the wisdom and savvy of Queen Esther.

    Or Solomon. 😉

    Or G-d. 🙏

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  5. Sisyphus Member
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    Aaron Miller (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):
    It is my understanding that both of our traditions hold that the eucharist is beneficial but not necessary to actual salvation.

    In Catholic theology, the blessed sacrament is Jesus Himself, body and soul; not a symbol or gesture, but His full presence. Of course, it is different than a face-to-face conversation and a handshake. But if you truly believed Christ was present and desired to see you there in His Father’s house, what could keep you from Him? What corruption could not be healed by His touch?

    It’s complicated. But it is arguably not coincidental that even many Catholics in America no longer accept the Church’s teaching about the real presence in the eucharist while bishops fail to publicly incorporate that faith into prudential judgments. As I told my bishop, it would help if the conference of US bishops would at least share their internal debates with the laypeople. The decision is theirs, but all would benefit from hearing their reasoning.

    If their reasoning is identical to that of secular officials, there is a problem.

    The real presence is my denomination’s doctrine as well, and we have not allowed the lockdown to suspend communion for more than a few weeks. And we celebrate communion with both sacraments, the body and the blood, as is the common tradition. The local Catholic parishes are also holding mass with communion here, though they only offer the body, not the blood. That was the practice here long before Covid, though. Amusingly, the Novus Ordo parish is urging distribution in the hand for health reasons while the Latin Rite parish is providing distribution on the tongue for health reasons (avoiding possible contamination from the receiver’s hand). 

    We are not seeing the situation Paddy’s Ireland and some of the states are where the virus has been seized as an excuse to shut down services entirely while liquor stores and the like operate with few restrictions.

    I also know by word of mouth that some priests and pastors are holding mass and communion in covert settings to frustrate the restrictions where they are plainly unjust. Back to the catacombs, if the situation calls for it.

    The restriction that most enrages me is when priests, or family too, for that matter, are not allowed access to the dying. As if PPE did not exist for them. With the PPE shortage resolved, this is simply evil. 

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  6. Sisyphus Member
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    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Most clergy these days are afraid of losing their tax exemption, and I imagine they know that the parties in power now would yank it in a heartbeat.

    As to Northam, how does his approval of infanticide not make him “antichrist”?

    I was speaking narrowly with regard to his positions on Covid. His worshipful adherence to the rites of infanticide are plainly antichrist in nature.

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  7. Sisyphus Member
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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):
    I realize you are agnostic, but let me assure you that, in most denominations, providing leadership that results in the unnecessary deaths of more than half of your congregation is not viewed as laudatory, judicious, or gracious.

    Fair enough.

    It’s a church not a nursing home… why can’t people sit/stand 6 feet apart? whatever… it’s been 55 weeks to ‘flatten the curve’

    The referred incident was in Spring of 2020. I was not there so I don’t know if they submitted to distancing. Open churches in Virginia, to my experience at least, observe the distancing between members of different households, require hand sanitization, and so on.

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  8. dukenaltum Inactive
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    Personally, I am continuously annoyed about the way the original team, (when they weren’t betraying him to his enemies), just ran away from the Second Person of the Trinity on Good Friday.   

    That’s Bishops for you.  

    It was providential for them that the Second Person of the Trinity overlooked that misjudgment and lack of courage on the following Sunday. 

    In these wicked days, Catholics should prepare for their own souls for martyrdom rather than worry about the failing of the other guy because no one gets the beatific vision based on the failings or success of others, especially clergy.  

    “It must be observed, however, that if the faith were endangered, a subject ought to rebuke his prelate even publicly.”
    St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica II, II, q. 33, a. 45

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  9. dukenaltum Inactive
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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):
    The Pope has become too political, opining on issues that have nothing to do with Catholicism and religion/spirituality

    The problem isn’t that Pope Francis has an opinion on issues but that he too frequently wrong in his opinions. 

     

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  10. dukenaltum Inactive
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):
    In the end I had to decide between the deep spiritual feeling of the Eucharist vs the coldness of the Catholic clergy. Catholicism lost.

    The perennial teaching of the Church is the Eucharist is the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ whether you experience a “deep spiritual feeling” or not and the Minister (Priest) in stark contrast is irrelevant.  

    Please be assured of my prayer for you.  

     

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  11. Old Bathos Member
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    In 1981, Ronald Reagan reached out to pro-life movement leaders to say he was ready to endorse the effort to repeal Roe with a constitutional amendment (BTW Joe Biden had already signed the pledge to support that).  Ted Kennedy’s staff told bureaucrats in the Catholic Church (many of whose income depended on administering federal contracts to provide social services) that they would move to cut the Church off from all such funds.  Whether it was the money threat or not, Catholic bishops were making noises like “too soon” or “would it look like interference in secular matters” and were anything but supportive.  Among them were the even more gutless bureaucrats who thought that burying reports of clerical sexual child abuse and effectively covering for predators was the right move.

    I am usually pleasantly surprised when clerics take tough, principled stands.  I have come not to expect it.  Cooperation with fascists makes others more compliant.  Compelling the police to arrest pastors but not operators of politically favored enterprises tends to clarify what the bad guys would rather keep muddied.

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  12. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    Jules PA (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I don’t think that this criticism is fair.

    True Christian leaders have to consider, among other things, Romans 13:1-7 (NIV translation):

    Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

    6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

    Perhaps the Epoch Times is not the best source of guidance for Christian believers.

    I don’t recall the details, but I do think that John MacArthur’s church in California struggled with these issues, though it generally managed to remain open.

    Mordechai refused to bow to the King. Escaped the gallows with G-d’s intervention.

    Daniel also, then sent to the lion’s den.

    Shadraak, Meshaak, Abednego, thrown to the fiery furnace.

    The line for absolute obedience requires discernment. And personal accountability, of course.

    Would that we all had the wisdom and savvy of Queen Esther.

    Or Solomon. 😉

    Or G-d. 🙏

    Yes, I know.  This is why I find it to be a difficult issue.

    I think that an even better example is from Acts 4, when Peter and John defied the command of the Jewish ruling counsel to cease preaching in the name of Jesus.

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  13. dukenaltum Inactive
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Reagan signed one of the first legalization of abortion into California law in 1967. His support of the Human Life Amendment was always tepid, but it was pushed vigorously by the many Catholics in his Administration.   

    In the two years following the Roe v. Wade decision (1975), U.S. bishops focused on passage of a Human Life Amendment to the U.S. Constitution which would ban abortion.  The threat of federal defunding of social program run by the Church was always present from the time of Johnson but it was not as potent as many believe.

    I have advocated for the elimination of tax exemption for all charitable and advocacy entities along with federal grants for social programs for decades. 

    The only real charity is private charity everything else is vote buying. 

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  14. OmegaPaladin Moderator
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):

    Part of the problem is that the early stages of the lockdown sounded reasonable, and no one was expecting a year long shutdown. Temporary remote worship seems a reasonable sacrifice to avoid spreading a disease.

    The problem of weakness does not come in until we start seeing essential business getting privileges, and the Church treated as worthless and unimportant. That was when to push back.

    You’re right, OP. It’s so hard to maintain perspective about next steps when you’re in the middle of chaos. I think we are going to be called to strengthen our resistance muscles or we will be lost.

    Let me expand a bit here.  Would it seem wise or foolish to hold services at a church in the predicted path of a hurricane or the danger zone of a wildfire?   I think the tests for such a stand are:  Is this something of permanent or near-permanent change?   Is this a general problem, or does this target our faith / all faiths specifically?  Is the danger being exaggerated by political leaders?

    What this crisis has exposed is just how relentlessly secular our political class is.  They don’t so much as hate religion as see it as useless, some minor amusement and community activity for those God people.  It’s like a sci-fi convention (JesusCon?) –  something very important to the fandom, but not really valuable to society.

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  15. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):
    What this crisis has exposed is just how relentlessly secular our political class is.  They don’t so much as hate religion as see it as useless, some minor amusement and community activity for those God people. 

    I agree to a point. But if someone or something interferes with their plans, annoyance can transform into anger and hatred. I’m not certain that isn’t going to happen.

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  16. Rodin Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):
    What this crisis has exposed is just how relentlessly secular our political class is. They don’t so much as hate religion as see it as useless, some minor amusement and community activity for those God people.

    I agree to a point. But if someone or something interferes with their plans, annoyance can transform into anger and hatred. I’m not certain that isn’t going to happen.

    Everything within the State, nothing without the State. They want you to know your religious practice is at their sufferance.

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