The Chinese Timetable

 

What is the Chinese timetable for invading Taiwan?

Before he passed, my World of Tanks friend was convinced that China would never invade Taiwan, and if they did, could not do it successfully. I always disagreed because history is replete with examples of countries overestimating what they could and could not do in a conflict. Think Operation Barbarossa in WWII.

But, does China need to invade Taiwan? Likely they do, eventually. The question is how patient can they be?  To Beijing, Taiwan is part of China and must be reunited. How would the US react if California or Texas were to secede?

Long-term, China assumes it will win but will more recent developments force their hands earlier than they might want? China certainly has a looming demographic crisis. The one-child policy has altered their demographics to a point that it’s s almost catastrophic. Their population is aging and they do t have enough young workers to care for them. Couple that with the ~40MM surplus in males that won’t t be getting married and having kids, and the strain that puts on women who increasingly seek careers for themselves and not bearing lots of kids and you add more fuel to a potential fire.

What spark can set off this fire? Well, one would be economic failure by China. They have been lucky to date that they haven’t hit a major economic turndown like the Japanese did in the ’90s with the lost decade, but the odds favor such an issue. This is more likely to happen if the US actually leads an international coalition to limit China’s abuses of the WTO and other trade treaties.

I’d recommend this article that got me thinking about this on a rainy Sunday morning.

Some questions that I ponder.

First, could we project power into the China Sea and stop an invasion of Taiwan? Such an invasion would likely not be like D-day, but rather more like the Vicksburg campaign. An economic and maritime blockade until Taiwan is forced to capitulate. Do we have the carriers and sea power to break such a blockade?  Maybe. Our carriers are great, but can we sustain such an action for longer than a few months?

This brings to mind our second issue. Does the US have the endurance for such a conflict? Remembering 1991, that was a short and relatively bloodless conflict (for the US). 2003 was also relatively short and bloodless as well, but the aftermath was so taxing that it may have permanently damaged our psyche in a similar way to Viet Nam. There are similarities that deserve a deeper discussion I think. I have doubts that our putative leaders could actually gin up enough fervor to sustain anything longer than a six-month effort.

Lastly, the potential for a conflict to expand into a general war is not insignificant. There is no way that we can beat China in a general war, and they cannot beat us. Neither side could invade the other and win, absent the use of nuclear weapons. It would be a titanic clash of two Kaiju pounding each other and destroying the world around them until they are spent. Long before that happens the US government would collapse, and likely the Chinese as well.

And we haven’t discussed the issues of Chinese ownership of our debt and how much manufacturing is done in China. If we thought the toilet paper crisis was bad, think about how many things are Made in China that we wouldn’t be able to purchase.

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  1. TheRightNurse Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Regardless of if China released COVID by accident, their failure to cooperate with the WHO ended up causing millions deaths. 

    But I thought they were cooperating with the WHO?  Unless you mean to support the Trump Administration’s position that they weren’t and were instead stalling and providing minimal data?

    But I’m sure USA Today is totally on top of this.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2021/03/29/joint-who-china-draft-report-animals-likely-source-covid-ap/7045089002/

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  2. Hang On Member
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    Why is anyone afraid of China in the long run? They are going to have a population implosion and the US and China will have the same number of people by the end of the century.

    It is the short term that China is a problem. And China is very unlikely to take Taiwan if we keep our nerve and sell Taiwan the right equipment. 

    The way of emasculating China is to have the kind of military R&D program Reagan quickly ramped up making everything the Soviet Union had obsolete. This means heads rolling at the Pentagon and reading the riot act to defense contractors, thus making Capitol Hill nervous.  But that can be easily overcome by focusing law enforcement on all the money the Hill and K Street are taking from foreign governments, including the Chinese.

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  3. Raxxalan Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Dbroussa: How would the US react if California or Texas were to secede?

    It’s more like what would happen if a rebel movement overthrew the US government, except for in Hawaii where the US government went into exile. Would the rebels insist Hawaii was still part of the US under the new regime? That’s a closer parallel to the PRC vs. Republic of China situation.

     Except for distance.  Hawaii is very far from the mainland of the United states.   RoC is very close to the PRC.  I think the US would have to let Hawaii go.   Key West or Galveston Island might be another matter;  Although admittedly they are much smaller and could never really be self sufficient but the distance scale is not insignificant.  

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  4. Raxxalan Member
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    TheRightNurse (View Comment):
    But to Taiwan, apparently China is a part of Taiwan.  At least in the sense that Taiwan is the “Real China” and the PRC is the invaders

    Technically Taiwan should be the one with a seat on the UN security council.  The UN was arranged from the victorious powers of  WWII, the UK, US, and Russia obviously.  Chiang Kai-Shek’s China also bled the Japanese during the war.  In fact at the time if I remember correctly he was fighting both the Japanese and Mao.   Mao didn’t contribute anything to defeating Imperial Japan.  

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  5. Raxxalan Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):
    I’m not sure we have either the force to defeat the Chinese in their backyard or the will to use it.   Recent war games in a US v China conflict have the US being defeated…badly.

    I think that reflects very badly on the state of our military planners and their creativity.  I can think of quite a few ways just of the top of my head to keep the PRC off balance, and all I am is a sad middle aged historical wargame enthusiast.  Don’t get me wrong I think you are quite right, based on everything I have read, but that is a very sad commentary on the state of creativity in our multi-billion dollar military.   

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    If I were a Chinese military planner, I would advise against any invasion of Taiwan as too expensive and risky. It would be far cheaper and safer to: 1) continue building up military strength to the point where an invasion could be carried out very quickly, 2) intensify diplomatic and economic efforts to isolate Taiwan, and 3) wait for the emergence of Taiwanese leaders who would accept one of those we-promise-but-not-really deals like they used with Hong Kong.

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  7. Bob Thompson Member
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    KevinKrisher (View Comment):

    If I were a Chinese military planner, I would advise against any invasion of Taiwan as too expensive and risky. It would be far cheaper and safer to: 1) continue building up military strength to the point where an invasion could be carried out very quickly, 2) intensify diplomatic and economic efforts to isolate Taiwan, and 3) wait for the emergence of Taiwanese leaders who would accept one of those we-promise-but-not-really deals like they used with Hong Kong.

    Well, yes. Just look how playing the long game has positioned the Progressives in America.

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  8. Raxxalan Member
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    KevinKrisher (View Comment):

    If I were a Chinese military planner, I would advise against any invasion of Taiwan as too expensive and risky. It would be far cheaper and safer to: 1) continue building up military strength to the point where an invasion could be carried out very quickly, 2) intensify diplomatic and economic efforts to isolate Taiwan, and 3) wait for the emergence of Taiwanese leaders who would accept one of those we-promise-but-not-really deals like they used with Hong Kong.

    That is a good strategy for China; however, there are two factors I think that will militate against it.  The first most important one is Xi’s age and vanity.  I think he wants this done on his watch and at 67 he doesn’t have forever to wait.  I think at best, for us anyway,  there is about a decade worth of wiggle room.   The second is that broadly speaking China itself is in a demographic decline which also means it has a limited time horizon if reunification is a national priority.  

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