Homeschooling and ‘Socialization’

 

My kids starting homeschooling 30 years ago, when homeschooling really wasn’t much of a thing. A question commonly asked back then, and probably still today, was “how will they be socialized?”

In fact, they all came out pretty well, at least in that regard. (Decades of having me as a dad has left some of them with an … unconventional … sense of humor, but that’s another story.)

I wonder how many of those who fretted about the socialization of homeschooled children — indeed, who worried about every aspect of homeschooling — are similarly concerned about the current government-and-teachers’-union-inspired catastrophe of scores of millions of unschooled children trapped in an unnecessary and counter-productive lockdown.

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  1. Henry Racette Member
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    Henry Racette: A question commonly asked back then, and probably still today, was “how will they be socialized?”

    We didn’t homeschool our kids, but whenever I here someone brings the question up, I say, “Socialized, as in going to a school where they can buy drugs, join gangs, get bullied, and harassed into having sex?”

    This was my thought following this thread. Everyone will respond differently, and for people who make friends easily, they may excel at socializing in schools. I didn’t, and so I preferred college to everything before it, because the garbage going on beforehand wasn’t there. You were either disciplined enough to complete the work and pass the classes, or you were out. The bullies and unserious students in high school weren’t disciplined enough to make it through.

    Yeah, the anti-homeschoolers think if kids are homeschooled, they won’t have any friends to socialize with. They don’t realize most neighborhoods are packed with school-aged children who know and play with each other . . .

    My sense is that children are much less likelt to ‘go out and play’ than they have been in the past. But I don’t have actual evidence to back me up.

    Without question. I’ve observed for years, as I drive through residential neighborhoods, how few children are outside anymore. Local high schools struggle to interest enough children in sports to field basketball, soccer, and even football teams.

    Screens.

    Screens are the Big Macs — no, the popcorn shrimp — of entertainment: quick hits of salt and fat, no investment, no reward, but transient easy satisfaction.

    I think we will look back someday on the screen revolution and realize that, like women in the workplace, like The Pill, like the automobile, it was an irreversible and socially transformative technology in ways we didn’t anticipate.

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  2. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    Henry Racette: A question commonly asked back then, and probably still today, was “how will they be socialized?”

    We didn’t homeschool our kids, but whenever I here someone brings the question up, I say, “Socialized, as in going to a school where they can buy drugs, join gangs, get bullied, and harassed into having sex?”

    This was my thought following this thread. Everyone will respond differently, and for people who make friends easily, they may excel at socializing in schools. I didn’t, and so I preferred college to everything before it, because the garbage going on beforehand wasn’t there. You were either disciplined enough to complete the work and pass the classes, or you were out. The bullies and unserious students in high school weren’t disciplined enough to make it through.

    Yeah, the anti-homeschoolers think if kids are homeschooled, they won’t have any friends to socialize with. They don’t realize most neighborhoods are packed with school-aged children who know and play with each other . . .

    My sense is that children are much less likelt to ‘go out and play’ than they have been in the past. But I don’t have actual evidence to back me up.

    Depends on the neighborhood, I suppose. Ours used to have wandering packs of kids moving from yard to yard. Helped that the kids next door were roughly the same age as ours. Plus some more farther down the block. Now that all these kids are teenagers, there’s not as much of that. But even if they’re doing that blasted screen-time stuff, they’re still likely to be in the backyard.

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  3. TBA Coolidge
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    Henry Racette: A question commonly asked back then, and probably still today, was “how will they be socialized?”

    We didn’t homeschool our kids, but whenever I here someone brings the question up, I say, “Socialized, as in going to a school where they can buy drugs, join gangs, get bullied, and harassed into having sex?”

    This was my thought following this thread. Everyone will respond differently, and for people who make friends easily, they may excel at socializing in schools. I didn’t, and so I preferred college to everything before it, because the garbage going on beforehand wasn’t there. You were either disciplined enough to complete the work and pass the classes, or you were out. The bullies and unserious students in high school weren’t disciplined enough to make it through.

    Yeah, the anti-homeschoolers think if kids are homeschooled, they won’t have any friends to socialize with. They don’t realize most neighborhoods are packed with school-aged children who know and play with each other . . .

    My sense is that children are much less likelt to ‘go out and play’ than they have been in the past. But I don’t have actual evidence to back me up.

    Without question. I’ve observed for years, as I drive through residential neighborhoods, how few children are outside anymore. Local high schools struggle to interest enough children in sports to field basketball, soccer, and even football teams.

    Screens.

    Screens are the Big Macs — no, the popcorn shrimp — of entertainment: quick hits of salt and fat, no investment, no reward, but transient easy satisfaction.

    I think we will look back someday on the screen revolution and realize that, like women in the workplace, like The Pill, like the automobile, it was an irreversible and socially transformative technology in ways we didn’t anticipate.

    ~waits for a Ricochet editor to tell us to stop posting and go outside. 

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  4. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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  5. Stad Coolidge
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    Henry Racette: A question commonly asked back then, and probably still today, was “how will they be socialized?”

    We didn’t homeschool our kids, but whenever I here someone brings the question up, I say, “Socialized, as in going to a school where they can buy drugs, join gangs, get bullied, and harassed into having sex?”

    This was my thought following this thread. Everyone will respond differently, and for people who make friends easily, they may excel at socializing in schools. I didn’t, and so I preferred college to everything before it, because the garbage going on beforehand wasn’t there. You were either disciplined enough to complete the work and pass the classes, or you were out. The bullies and unserious students in high school weren’t disciplined enough to make it through.

    Yeah, the anti-homeschoolers think if kids are homeschooled, they won’t have any friends to socialize with. They don’t realize most neighborhoods are packed with school-aged children who know and play with each other . . .

    My sense is that children are much less likelt to ‘go out and play’ than they have been in the past. But I don’t have actual evidence to back me up.

    No kidding.  See my post on RPGs (just up now).

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  6. The Reticulator Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Without question. I’ve observed for years, as I drive through residential neighborhoods, how few children are outside anymore. Local high schools struggle to interest enough children in sports to field basketball, soccer, and even football teams.

    Screens.

    Screens are the Big Macs — no, the popcorn shrimp — of entertainment: quick hits of salt and fat, no investment, no reward, but transient easy satisfaction.

    I think we will look back someday on the screen revolution and realize that, like women in the workplace, like The Pill, like the automobile, it was an irreversible and socially transformative technology in ways we didn’t anticipate.

    One thing that struck me when I started doing long-distance bicycle rides through Amish neighborhoods in 1996 was the sound of children playing outside. It made me realize that it was a long time since I had heard that. On weekends it might be more of an intergenerational group playing ball, and even during the week a young mother might be “playing” with her kids. One time a young mother was driving a horse-drawn, rubber-wheeled wagon full of children to who knows where, maybe to a play date, and seemed to be having as good a time as the kids. Reminded me of my own mother.

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  8. Bishop Wash Member
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Henry Racette: A question commonly asked back then, and probably still today, was “how will they be socialized?”

    We didn’t homeschool our kids, but whenever I here someone brings the question up, I say, “Socialized, as in going to a school where they can buy drugs, join gangs, get bullied, and harassed into having sex?”

    There have been a few reports of trans-students “de-transitioning” because of the lockdowns. Since it seems a lot of it is from peer pressure, some who haven’t been to school have decided that they really aren’t the opposite sex. One anecdote I heard was a school had six female students who had said that they were males. At least two had now decided that they weren’t and a few others were wavering.

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