Inflation: This Time It Really Is Different

 

Both political parties have managed to dodge the bullet. Government deficit spending, borrowing, and money creation by the Fed have gone relentlessly up with no repercussions in either inflation or interest rates. In fact, those skyrocketing deficits and money creation have been rewarded with little inflation and historically low-interest rates. Lefties have even concocted Modern Monetary Theory (MMT), a formalized economic theory that says that the US can create all the money it wants with impunity. Feel free to spend away!

But interest rates have recently increased (dragging down the stock market) and I’m afraid that’s just the beginning. This article from AIER makes a convincing argument that the chickens have finally come home to roost.

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  1. RufusRJones Member
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    Ekosj: Lefties have even concocted Modern Monetary Theory (MMT), a formalized economic theory that says that the US can create all the money it wants with impunity.

    And everybody is going to lose all kinds of personal agency. It’s going to be terrible. If you want to hear it in plain English spend the dollar and watch this:

     

    https://www.realvision.com/shows/the-interview/videos/memories-of-1987-felix-zulaufs-outlook-on-equities-bonds-currencies-and-commodities?source_collection=b57c7eabfc3945a5a3b2b72f7bc45735

     

    Everything Moves Towards Communism All Of The Time™

    The Government Is Running Out Of Money™

    Government Is How We Steal From Each Other™

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  2. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Ekosj (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Interest rates make no sense right now.

    I had a small 1-year CD that was paying 1.5%. It renews next month. The highest interest rate available on any of the CDs from the same provider was 0.2%. But I could get 0.3% in their straight savings account.

    So why would anyone tie up their money in a CD when they could keep it in a demand account and “earn” more (not that .3% is earning…)

    I was a bank teller in the late 70s early 80’s. I remember opening CDs at 19.5%.

    Funny thing though.

    Lots of credit cards still charging 18% interest.

    Yeah, but for every $8,000 you put on the card, you get a $50 gift card to Shake Shack.  

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  3. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Competition in the free market will keep inflation in check for goods and services. It’s the government-regulated and government-supported utilities and other economic activities–the things like insurance and drivers’ licenses and college tuition and gas–that will see the biggest inflation.

    For utilities, generally their rate increases are governed by state commissions.  Their increases, again, generally, aren’t keeping up with inflation.  Say if the rates are locked for 3-4 years between filings, and the subsequent rate increase ask is 8%, they’re losing money due to inflation.

    That said, you’re right, I think, in that their will be federal money spent on “green energy”, in some form, which may end up in a combination of “free” infrastructure spending (similar to Obama-era stimulus dollars that went out for utility infrastructure investment), low-interest loans, etc.  I don’t think it’s a coincidence that utilities are all over new carbon-emission reduction targets.  They have to be, in large part, if the signals and direction from regulatory bodies are making the mandates, or approving those types of spending plans from the utilities that are developed to align with the larger EPA and DOE mandates.

    Not sure how those other elements are “gov’t regulated”, like the price of gas.  The gov’t doesn’t set gas prices.  Note that gas is not included in the normal inflation indices, because of its price volatility, amongst other things.

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  4. RufusRJones Member
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    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):
    That said, you’re right, I think, in that their will be federal money spent on “green energy”, in some form, which may end up in a combination of “free” infrastructure spending (similar to Obama-era stimulus dollars that went out for utility infrastructure investment), low-interest loans, etc. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that utilities are all over new carbon-emission reduction targets. They have to be, in large part, if the signals and direction from regulatory bodies are making the mandates, or approving those types of spending plans from the utilities that are developed to align with the larger EPA and DOE mandates.

    I can tell you based on watching real vision, hedge fund guys are totally licking their chops on this. It’s disgusting, but there is going to be a ton of money made by somebody.

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  5. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    No Caesar (View Comment):

    We have had inflation for 12 years now. It’s just been hidden from normal interest rates by the Fed. The Fed’s actions were good and wise for a while. However, long ago they became dangerous and harmful. It’s manifested in the crazy PEs in the stock market. The performance improvements from the digital world, along with the artificially low prices of Chinese imports, have kept the government’s inflation measurements down (and hence the Prime, etc.). Compare the price of specific items and services now, versus 10 years ago, versus 20 years ago, versus 30 years ago. Things like: lumber, a bottle of soda, a gallon of gas, an hour of an electrician’s time, items that have not been kept artificially low by Chinese slave labor.

    That the Treasury has not used the abnormally low interest rates of the 21st century to push the US debt into long-term vehicles will be greatly regretted soon.

    When it strikes it will be worsened because social security will be forced to pay more because of the overwhelming size of the Baby Boomer cohort on fixed incomes…

    Bottom line: we are screwed. And I think it will generally be a global phenomenon. I.e. there will not be another large currency to run to.

    Two or three years ago I did a price comparison of everything from cars and houses to washing machines and refrigerators to cans of tuna and condensed soup from 1960 to 2020 and the prices of each came out to nearly exactly 20 times higher today. (And incidentally the product quality and durability were better then.)

    At the time I did this prime rib had gone up in the past ten years form nearly $8 a pound to $12. Today at the same store it is selling for $16 and change. Interestingly, ox tails (normally considered poor folks food) has gone in the past 30 years from 39 cents a pound to $3.90 two years ago, to $7.49 today. Jumbo shrimp and lobster tails have similarly gone up from $8 or $9 a pound 20 years ago to $12 two or three years ago, to $16 and $18 a pound today.

    I wonder if the money supply has anything to do with it.

    You’re going to have a really hard time arguing the durability of 1960’s/1970’s era cars vs. today’s cars.  Particularly 1970s cars.

    In the jumbo shrimp example (not exactly a staple), 20 years of our low inflation rate yields you a price of about – $13.95, which is what you indicated above.  Which doesn’t mean it’s a huge inflation increase.  That’s a normal increase in price based on historical rates.

    https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

     

     

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  6. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Patriciajay (View Comment):
    Me too, with my mortgage. So how did it all end? I can’t remember exactly how we did it.

    We did it by creating future Trump supporters racists.

    FIFY!

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  7. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    This is the most succinct, easy to understand thing you’ll ever see you about what is going on right now. Before you watch it, look up the definitions of real and nominal interest rates.

     

     

    This is how we got into this mess. The second the Soviet Union fell they should have gotten every single unfunded liability under control. They did everything wrong in the face of the deflation from automation and globalize labor. This is screwing up the economy and it’s causing huge social problems. Promoting home ownership was evil. They should have let everything collapse in 2008.

    You cannot have a civilization without real positive interest rates. This whole mess is from politicians central planning so they can lie to everybody.

    If you want to take a stab at things that are much more technical, go over to the Grant Williams podcast and listen to the Lacey Hunt, Chris Cole, and Russell Napier interviews.

     

     

     

    Thanks – added to my Spotify “stuff”.

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  8. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gazpacho Grande’ (View Comment):
    That said, you’re right, I think, in that their will be federal money spent on “green energy”, in some form, which may end up in a combination of “free” infrastructure spending (similar to Obama-era stimulus dollars that went out for utility infrastructure investment), low-interest loans, etc. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that utilities are all over new carbon-emission reduction targets. They have to be, in large part, if the signals and direction from regulatory bodies are making the mandates, or approving those types of spending plans from the utilities that are developed to align with the larger EPA and DOE mandates.

    I can tell you based on watching real vision, hedge fund guys are totally licking their chops on this. It’s disgusting, but there is going to be a ton of money made by somebody.

    It’s already happened once, on a smaller scale.  DOE grants were free money given to utilities circa 2014/2015, the utilities spent the money, and can earn recovery on that capital spend (even though the capital cost them nothing).  Part of ARRA and “stimulus” spending.  

    The new one will be gigantic in comparison, in terms of spend.

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    This is the second time I have heard this. The Federal Reserve owns 20% of the TIPS bonds. These are the bonds that go up with inflation. Now you tell me, why in the hell isn’t this illegal? They are obviously trying to hide something and central plan just like the Soviets did.

     

     

    This is very good, but it’s just standard Austrian stuff. The video I posted above is the one to watch.

     

     

     

     

     

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  10. Kozak Member
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    David Foster (View Comment):

    Continuing on the theme of Inflation and Craziness…Sebastian Haffner’s great novel Little Man, What Now? is focused on a young couple in late Weimar, in a period when inflation is no longer the problem–unemployment is. But the psychological damage of the inflation lingers. The couple’s landlady cannot comprehend what has happened to her savings:

    Young people, before the war, we had a comfortable fifty thousand marks. And now that money’s all gone. How can it all be gone?…I sit here reckoning it up. I’ve written it all down. I sit here, reckoning. Here it says: a pound of butter, three thousand marks…can a pound of butter cost three thousand marks?…I now know that my money’s been stolen. Someone who rented here stole it…he falsified my housekeeping book so I wouldn’t notice. He turned three into three thousand without me realizing…how can fifty thousand have all gone?

    Read this and weep.

     

    When Money Dies

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  11. Kozak Member
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    My collection of inflation reminders…

     

    • #41
  12. RufusRJones Member
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    Welcome to communism comrades! The five-year plan will make sense to you intuitively after it kicks in. lol 

     

     

     

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  13. Flicker Coolidge
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    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    No Caesar (View Comment):

    We have had inflation for 12 years now. It’s just been hidden from normal interest rates by the Fed. The Fed’s actions were good and wise for a while. However, long ago they became dangerous and harmful. It’s manifested in the crazy PEs in the stock market. The performance improvements from the digital world, along with the artificially low prices of Chinese imports, have kept the government’s inflation measurements down (and hence the Prime, etc.). Compare the price of specific items and services now, versus 10 years ago, versus 20 years ago, versus 30 years ago. Things like: lumber, a bottle of soda, a gallon of gas, an hour of an electrician’s time, items that have not been kept artificially low by Chinese slave labor.

    That the Treasury has not used the abnormally low interest rates of the 21st century to push the US debt into long-term vehicles will be greatly regretted soon.

    When it strikes it will be worsened because social security will be forced to pay more because of the overwhelming size of the Baby Boomer cohort on fixed incomes…

    Bottom line: we are screwed. And I think it will generally be a global phenomenon. I.e. there will not be another large currency to run to.

    Two or three years ago I did a price comparison of everything from cars and houses to washing machines and refrigerators to cans of tuna and condensed soup from 1960 to 2020 and the prices of each came out to nearly exactly 20 times higher today. (And incidentally the product quality and durability were better then.)

    At the time I did this prime rib had gone up in the past ten years form nearly $8 a pound to $12. Today at the same store it is selling for $16 and change. Interestingly, ox tails (normally considered poor folks food) has gone in the past 30 years from 39 cents a pound to $3.90 two years ago, to $7.49 today. Jumbo shrimp and lobster tails have similarly gone up from $8 or $9 a pound 20 years ago to $12 two or three years ago, to $16 and $18 a pound today.

    I wonder if the money supply has anything to do with it.

    You’re going to have a really hard time arguing the durability of 1960’s/1970’s era cars vs. today’s cars. Particularly 1970s cars.

    In the jumbo shrimp example (not exactly a staple), 20 years of our low inflation rate yields you a price of about – $13.95, which is what you indicated above. Which doesn’t mean it’s a huge inflation increase. That’s a normal increase in price based on historical rates.

     

    Yes, 3% or so is considered standard or healthy.  But that $100 savings bond I got as a kid is worth $5 today.  Where did all this value go?

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  14. RufusRJones Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):
    Yes, 3% or so is considered standard or healthy. But that $100 savings bond I got as a kid is worth $5 today. Where did all this value go?

    The reason they babel like this is because the government and the financial system as set up requires it. It makes it safer for expanding credit all of the time. You can’t tax deflation even though people live better with slight deflation. It’s a terrible system given the deflation from automation and globalized labor. Just wait until they put robots in Vietnam and Africa. So now we are getting asset bubbles instead of CPI inflation. It favors capital over people and you can’t get any freaking interest on a savings account. It’s cruel and that is why you are getting socialism and populism.

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  15. Bob Thompson Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    It favors capital over people and you can’t get any freaking interest on a savings account. It’s cruel and that is why you are getting socialism and populism.

    This might include a point worthy of discussion. There’s corrupt capitalism, our present state, populism, and socialism. The present state certainly favors the elite. Populism is thought by many to be more favorable to the people, I don’t know, and many disagree. Socialism is an ideal never achieved in practice and where the full-fledged implementation has happened the ‘elite’ oppress the subjects. Up for discussion.

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  16. Bob Thompson Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    It favors capital over people and you can’t get any freaking interest on a savings account. It’s cruel and that is why you are getting socialism and populism.

    This might include a point worthy of discussion. There’s corrupt capitalism, our present state, populism, and socialism. The present state certainly favors the elite. Populism is thought by many to be more favorable to the people, I don’t know, and many disagree. Socialism is an ideal never achieved in practice and where the full-fledged implementation has happened the ‘elite’ oppress the subjects. Up for discussion.

    It looks as if the ‘elite’ do well under corrupt capitalism and the inevitable form of socialism but they don’t favor populism where the outcomes are less favorable, predictable, and/or manipulable. 

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  17. Flicker Coolidge
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    It favors capital over people and you can’t get any freaking interest on a savings account. It’s cruel and that is why you are getting socialism and populism.

    This might include a point worthy of discussion. There’s corrupt capitalism, our present state, populism, and socialism. The present state certainly favors the elite. Populism is thought by many to be more favorable to the people, I don’t know, and many disagree. Socialism is an ideal never achieved in practice and where the full-fledged implementation has happened the ‘elite’ oppress the subjects. Up for discussion.

    It looks as if the ‘elite’ do well under corrupt capitalism and the inevitable form of socialism but they don’t favor populism where the outcomes are less favorable, predictable, and/or manipulable.

    Steve Bannon put it well in a Frontline interview.  Unlimited immigration is good because it swamps the workforce with cheap labor which helps a corporation’s margin, though this decreases earning power of the existing population.  Free trade and using foreign work forces work well because this provides cheap overseas labor which is good for their margin, though it decreases the earning power of the existing population.  Populism doesn’t work well because it raises the earning power of the existing population.

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  18. RufusRJones Member
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    This is really technical, but some of you might like it.

     

    By way of background, I’ve been frustrated with a few things since the late 1990s. Most of my frustrations relate to how regulators, governments and central banks have repeatedly undermined the capitalist process of creative destruction by bailing out imprudent risk-takers.

    We got a taste of this in 1998 when the Fed bailed on LTCM, and a belly-full of it in 2008 when they changed the rules on mark-to-market accounting and bailed out the banking sector. Since then central banks have supported asset prices at every turn, with increasingly direct intervention, culminating in direct purchases of corporate credit in March of 2020.

    For the most part, Mike and I are frustrated about the same things: regulatory capture and a fundamental misalignment of political power and incentives, the compound effect of which is responsible for most of the forces that are tearing America apart from within.

    However, where my experience has festered and soured, Mike has been diagnosing the problems and seeking solutions.

    https://investresolve.com/podcasts/mike-green-the-fourth-turning-and-reimagining-the-american-dream/

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  19. RufusRJones Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    It favors capital over people and you can’t get any freaking interest on a savings account. It’s cruel and that is why you are getting socialism and populism.

    This might include a point worthy of discussion. There’s corrupt capitalism, our present state, populism, and socialism. The present state certainly favors the elite. Populism is thought by many to be more favorable to the people, I don’t know, and many disagree. Socialism is an ideal never achieved in practice and where the full-fledged implementation has happened the ‘elite’ oppress the subjects. Up for discussion.

    It looks as if the ‘elite’ do well under corrupt capitalism and the inevitable form of socialism but they don’t favor populism where the outcomes are less favorable, predictable, and/or manipulable.

    Steve Bannon put it well in a Frontline interview. Unlimited immigration is good because it swamps the workforce with cheap labor which helps a corporation’s margin, though this decreases earning power of the existing population. Free trade and using foreign work forces work well because this provides cheap overseas labor which is good for their margin, though it decreases the earning power of the existing population. Populism doesn’t work well because it raises the earning power of the existing population.

    The ultimate issue is, you can’t have an inflationist system if you want all of these Chamber of Commerce policies. It’s screws over too many people.

    You can have unlimited immigration, massive wage deflation from overseas and automation, if everything is going down in price all of the time. You really can. That’s what the Austrians say all of the time and I believe it. The problem is it would break the ruling class and the government. It would be chaos and nobody knows what would come out in the end of it.

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  20. Bob Thompson Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    The problem is it would break the ruling class and the government. It would be chaos and nobody knows what would come out in the end of it.

    I can’t link these two ideas. Is breaking the ruling class and the government chaos?

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  21. RufusRJones Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    The problem is it would break the ruling class and the government. It would be chaos and nobody knows what would come out in the end of it.

    I can’t link these two ideas. Is breaking the ruling class and the government chaos?

    I mean comprehensive chaos. The government would run out of money fast and asset prices would go down too much. There would be a debt implosion.

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  22. philo Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    The problem is it would break the ruling class and the government. It would be chaos and nobody knows what would come out in the end of it.

    I can’t link these two ideas. Is breaking the ruling class and the government chaos?

    Maybe. But we can only discuss Chaos while under the cone of silence.

    Cone of Silence – The Annotated Gilmore Girls

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  23. Flicker Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    It favors capital over people and you can’t get any freaking interest on a savings account. It’s cruel and that is why you are getting socialism and populism.

    This might include a point worthy of discussion. There’s corrupt capitalism, our present state, populism, and socialism. The present state certainly favors the elite. Populism is thought by many to be more favorable to the people, I don’t know, and many disagree. Socialism is an ideal never achieved in practice and where the full-fledged implementation has happened the ‘elite’ oppress the subjects. Up for discussion.

    It looks as if the ‘elite’ do well under corrupt capitalism and the inevitable form of socialism but they don’t favor populism where the outcomes are less favorable, predictable, and/or manipulable.

    Steve Bannon put it well in a Frontline interview. Unlimited immigration is good because it swamps the workforce with cheap labor which helps a corporation’s margin, though this decreases earning power of the existing population. Free trade and using foreign work forces work well because this provides cheap overseas labor which is good for their margin, though it decreases the earning power of the existing population. Populism doesn’t work well because it raises the earning power of the existing population.

    The ultimate issue is, you can’t have an inflationist system if you want all of these Chamber of Commerce policies. It’s screws over too many people.

    You can have unlimited immigration, massive wage deflation from overseas and automation, if everything is going down in price all of the time. You really can. That’s what the Austrians say all of the time and I believe it. The problem is it would break the ruling class and the government. It would be chaos and nobody knows what would come out in the end of it.

    Klaus Schwab says that automation will make most people unemployable but will still be good for profits.  Essentially, he advocates (in my interpretation) making the world a large global company town, with a stipend in digital currency being given to the unemployed and used by the unemployed to pay for what they individually want.  So, automation and a stipend for those displaced, is a good idea.

    I just don’t see why they’d want to continue subsidizing a population of unproductive users whose purchases are paid for by the company.

    • #53
  24. RufusRJones Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    It favors capital over people and you can’t get any freaking interest on a savings account. It’s cruel and that is why you are getting socialism and populism.

    This might include a point worthy of discussion. There’s corrupt capitalism, our present state, populism, and socialism. The present state certainly favors the elite. Populism is thought by many to be more favorable to the people, I don’t know, and many disagree. Socialism is an ideal never achieved in practice and where the full-fledged implementation has happened the ‘elite’ oppress the subjects. Up for discussion.

    It looks as if the ‘elite’ do well under corrupt capitalism and the inevitable form of socialism but they don’t favor populism where the outcomes are less favorable, predictable, and/or manipulable.

    Steve Bannon put it well in a Frontline interview. Unlimited immigration is good because it swamps the workforce with cheap labor which helps a corporation’s margin, though this decreases earning power of the existing population. Free trade and using foreign work forces work well because this provides cheap overseas labor which is good for their margin, though it decreases the earning power of the existing population. Populism doesn’t work well because it raises the earning power of the existing population.

    The ultimate issue is, you can’t have an inflationist system if you want all of these Chamber of Commerce policies. It’s screws over too many people.

    You can have unlimited immigration, massive wage deflation from overseas and automation, if everything is going down in price all of the time. You really can. That’s what the Austrians say all of the time and I believe it. The problem is it would break the ruling class and the government. It would be chaos and nobody knows what would come out in the end of it.

    Klaus Schwab says that automation will make most people unemployable but will still be good for profits. Essentially, he advocates (in my interpretation) making the world a large global company town, with a stipend in digital currency being given to the unemployed and used by the unemployed to pay for what they individually want. So, automation and a stipend for those displaced, is a good idea.

    I just don’t see why they’d want to continue subsidizing a population of unproductive users whose purchases are paid for by the company.

    I can’t look this up right now, but I have seen a good video of two Austrians explaining this very problem. If you just let everybody’s money improve in purchasing power i.e. no inflation, a little bit of deflation, basically nobody suffers very much. They should have been working on this since the mid 90s. 

    They should have been solving this 30 years ago.

     

    • #54
  25. Bob Thompson Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    I just don’t see why they’d want to continue subsidizing a population of unproductive users whose purchases are paid for by the company.

    Maybe this is what is behind all the measures that crop up pointing towards population control.

    • #55
  26. RufusRJones Member
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    There are clips of that video on YouTube if you don’t want to watch the whole thing.

    • #56
  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):
    I just don’t see why they’d want to continue subsidizing a population of unproductive users whose purchases are paid for by the company.

    Maybe because they get more of the production for themselves?  They get yachts and mansions and stuff, while the rest don’t.  Pretty much how it is now.

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  28. kedavis Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):
    Steve Bannon put it well in a Frontline interview. Unlimited immigration is good because it swamps the workforce with cheap labor which helps a corporation’s margin, though this decreases earning power of the existing population. Free trade and using foreign work forces work well because this provides cheap overseas labor which is good for their margin, though it decreases the earning power of the existing population. Populism doesn’t work well for the corporations because it raises the earning power of the existing population.

    An important distinction.

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  29. Flicker Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    Steve Bannon put it well in a Frontline interview. Unlimited immigration is good because it swamps the workforce with cheap labor which helps a corporation’s margin, though this decreases earning power of the existing population. Free trade and using foreign work forces work well because this provides cheap overseas labor which is good for their margin, though it decreases the earning power of the existing population. Populism doesn’t work well for the corporations because it raises the earning power of the existing population.

    An important distinction.

    I think, if Schwab is right, that corporations will ultimately control subsidiary governments, which will not be sovereign states.

    • #59
  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    Steve Bannon put it well in a Frontline interview. Unlimited immigration is good because it swamps the workforce with cheap labor which helps a corporation’s margin, though this decreases earning power of the existing population. Free trade and using foreign work forces work well because this provides cheap overseas labor which is good for their margin, though it decreases the earning power of the existing population. Populism doesn’t work well for the corporations because it raises the earning power of the existing population.

    An important distinction.

    I think, if Schwab is right, that corporations will ultimately control subsidiary governments, which will not be sovereign states.

    Given a choice, corporatist rule seems likely to be less onerous than ideological rule, especially if the ideology comes from either CCP or Sharia.

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