Calhoun County Republicans Censure Rep. Peter Meijer

 

The Executive Committee of the Republican Party of Calhoun County, MI, has sent a letter of censure to Rep. Peter Meijer. Meijer is the Representative from Michigan’s 3rd district, which is the district that had previously been represented by Justin Amash.

The censure was in response to Meijer’s vote to impeach President Trump, and also for his vote to certify the election results. Meijer’s district includes only a portion of Calhoun County; most of his district is the Grand Rapids area. There was a censure motion in the 3rd district GOP organization, too, but it failed in an 11-11 tie.

I didn’t vote for Meijer in the primary election, as he seemed too GOPe for my taste. But I did vote for him in November.

I have never gotten involved with the county GOP organization. I did a lot of volunteer work for a congressional campaign back in 1988, but it was either before or after that campaign when I talked to some of the county people and quickly got the impression that they were not interested in having the likes of me involved. I may not have had enough of a country club vibe. And maybe the feeling quickly became mutual. I’ve contributed to candidates, but I’ve never given a dime to any of the GOP organizations.

But this new news about censure got my curiosity up, and I checked out the website: https://calhouncountygop.com/

This is not your 1980s GOP. I see that our county commissioner is in one of the photos. He has not been your typical GOPer. He and a GOP colleague shook up our county highway department, basically gutting it and starting over, much to the dismay of Democrats who said it could have been done some other way (but of course wouldn’t have been done). Our commissioners transformed it into an efficient, effective organization that over the past six years or so has reversed the trend of deteriorating roads in our county.

I am for the first time since the late ’80s inclined to get involved and support the county GOP organization. There are monthly meetings with guest speakers, which might be a good way to meet people. And the announcements say nothing about masks.

Today someone on Twitter or Ricochet, I forget which, was saying that conservatives can expect to get nothing accomplished if they don’t get involved at the local level. So maybe it is time to do that, although it is with some trepidation that I’m considering it. One of the ways I’ve stayed conservative over the past few decades is by avoiding association with Republican conservatives. And I’m sure I wouldn’t agree with everything these people come up with. Maybe I’d end up supporting some candidates that I don’t prefer. Such has happened before, as supporting one candidate tends to become a package deal involving others. But I don’t even agree with myself most of the time. And I get the impression that with these people who were willing to stick out their necks and censure Meijer for his destructive behavior, that getting involved wouldn’t be a complete waste of time.

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  1. The Cynthonian Inactive
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    Try it….you might like it!   Worst case scenario…..you give up in disgust after a few months.  Best case:  you meet a bunch of like-minded locals and actually do some good.

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  2. Gary Robbins Member
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    In light of the devastating evidence that Trump summoned the mob, charged them up and then refused to do a doggone thing after the breached the Capitol and forced Pence to flee, clearly Peter Meijer did the right thing.  Inspired by your post, I gave him $50.  Then WinRed asked if I wanted to give money to anyone else, and showed 10 pictures of other members of congress.  I gave to $25 each to Congress Members Upton, Cheney, Gonzales and Katko, all of whom voted for impeachment.  Since the other six had not voted for impeachment, I gave them no money.  Thanks.

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  3. The Reticulator Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    In light of the devastating evidence that Trump summoned the mob, charged them up and then refused to do a doggone thing after the breached the Capitol and forced Pence to flee, clearly Peter Meijer did the right thing. Inspired by your post, I gave him $50. Then WinRed asked if I wanted to give money to anyone else, and showed 10 pictures of other members of congress. I gave to $25 each to Congress Members Upton, Cheney, Gonzales and Katko, all of whom voted for impeachment.

    That’s a good idea. But $50 is a bit on the cheap side, isn’t it? Couldn’t you add a zero or so to the amount?  And maybe get your buddies at the Bulwark/Lincoln Project to kick in some, too. During the primaries it would help to be able to point out what kind of people are contributing to his campaign.

    I’m pretty sure Meijer has quite a bit of his own money, as he is a member of the family that owns the Meijer chain of supermarkets. But for political viability he needs wide-based financial support. Surely you and your friends can help out. 

    The Trump flags are still flying in my neighborhood, btw.  

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  4. Gary Robbins Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    In light of the devastating evidence that Trump summoned the mob, charged them up and then refused to do a doggone thing after the breached the Capitol and forced Pence to flee, clearly Peter Meijer did the right thing. Inspired by your post, I gave him $50. Then WinRed asked if I wanted to give money to anyone else, and showed 10 pictures of other members of congress. I gave to $25 each to Congress Members Upton, Cheney, Gonzales and Katko, all of whom voted for impeachment.

    That’s a good idea. But $50 is a bit on the cheap side, isn’t it? Couldn’t you add a zero or so to the amount? And maybe get your buddies at the Bulwark/Lincoln Project to kick in some, too. During the primaries it would help to be able to point out what kind of people are contributing to his campaign.

    I’m pretty sure Meijer has quite a bit of his own money, as he is a member of the family that owns the Meijer chain of supermarkets. But for political viability he needs wide-based financial support. Surely you and your friends can help out.

    The Trump flags are still flying in my neighborhood, btw.

    First, I am not the Bulwark or the Lincoln Project.  The Bulwark is not the Lincoln Project or me.  The Lincoln Project is not me or the Bulwark.  Also, after there were concerns raised in Ricochet about the Lincoln Project back in the fall, I switched my contributions from the Lincoln Project to Republican Voters Against Trump.

    Second, Trump is not the Republican Party.  The Republican Party is not Trump.

    Third, the Trump flags have been coming down after their owners realize how Trump organized The Big Lie that the election was stolen after 60+ unsuccessful lawsuits, and that Trump summoned the rioters, set the fuse, and worst of all, refused to protect Mike Pence or the Capitol Police even after he realized that the Capitol had been breached, and Pence was in danger.

    For future reference:  https://ricochet.com/888962/the-house-managers-video/, https://ricochet.com/891152/the-rioters-break-into-the-capitol/, https://ricochet.com/891914/failure-to-protect-what-did-the-president-know-and-when-did-he-know-it/.

    The Whig Party died after having four of our first 15 Presidents, due to the issue of Slavery being extended to the Territories.  The Republican Party will die if it does not reject Trump.  The Republican Party not only has a hardy “Never Trump” portion, but also a growing and much larger “Never Again Trump” portion of voters who voted for Trump in 2020, but will never do so again after The Big Lie, and the Trump Capitol Riot.  In 2020, the Never Trumpers were able to swing the election in Arizona and Georgia, and maybe also in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.  With the Never Again Trumpers, victory with Trump will be impossible in the 2024 election, and the Midterm Elections in 2022.

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  5. Doctor Robert Member
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    Can we get off of the Gary/Poster tit for tat now, and discuss the point of the post?  Thatwould be the importance of getting involved locally.

    Thanks

     

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  6. Kozak Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    In light of the devastating evidence that Trump summoned the mob,

    Asked for a peaceful protest by patriots.

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    charged them up and then refused to do a doggone thing after the breached the Capitol and forced Pence to flee

    Told them to disperse and go home.

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    clearly Peter Meijer did the right thing. Inspired by your post, I gave him $50. Then WinRed asked if I wanted to give money to anyone else, and showed 10 pictures of other members of congress. I gave to $25 each to Congress Members Upton, Cheney, Gonzales and Katko, all of whom voted for impeachment. Since the other six had not voted for impeachment, I gave them no money. Thanks.

    Still doing the work of Democrats.

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  7. Kozak Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    First, I am not the Bulwark or the Lincoln Project.

    Nope you just support them financially, as you keep reminding people.

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    I switched my contributions from the Lincoln Project to Republican Voters Against Trump.

    The acronym is almost perfect, RvAT.

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Second, Trump is not the Republican Party. The Republican Party is not Trump.

    He was just the wildly popular with Republican president who got more votes for President then any other Republican in history and had the election stolen from him.  Most of us are not going to forget who helped persecute him.

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Third, the Trump flags have been coming down after their owners realize how Trump organized The Big Lie that the election was stolen after 60+ unsuccessful lawsuits, and that Trump summoned the rioters, set the fuse, and worst of all, refused to protect Mike Pence or the Capitol Police even after he realized that the Capitol had been breached, and Pence was in danger.

    The Trump flags re coming down because it is frankly dangerous to fly one or have any public association with Trump because of he witch hunt your friends on the Left are conducting, hounding people off of social media and using the dreaded McCarthyite tactics to destroy their careers.

    Question.

    You constantly refer to Mike Pence in a positive way.  Yet you informed us over and over and over that any Republican who “bent the knee” must be swept away, and destroyed because Orange Man Very Bad.

    So. Who Bent The Knee more then Pence, who agreed to be Trumps VP and was largely loyal to him for the 4 years.

    Can’t wait to see the pretzel you become to justify this contradiction.

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  8. Kozak Member
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    @Kozak

    I will be eternally grateful to Trump for removing the scales from my eyes and showing just how corrupt and self serving the GOP establishment and most of it’s candidates are.  I will be much more skeptical of any candidates from dog catcher to  president from now on.   If they have a whiff of the globalist, chamber of commerce, Uniparty  about them, I will refuse to vote for them.

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  9. The Reticulator Member
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Can we get off of the Gary/Poster tit for tat now, and discuss the point of the post? Thatwould be the importance of getting involved locally.

    Thanks

    For one, it would be interesting to hear of other Ricocheteers’ involvement with their local GOP organizations. 

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  10. Goldgeller Member
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    I wouldn’t have voted to impeach Trump nor would I have voted to censure Rep. Meijer. He seems like a good guy. I’m not close to any of the stores but I’d gladly shop there if I were. I do think it’s a little wild that Republicans censured other Republicans for voting to impeach Trump ( I can see why they’d vote to impeach) but exercised little to no oversight over Trump when he said bizarre things. Had they done so– been more forceful in pushing back on Trump’s excesses– perhaps Trump would be in office right now. 

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  11. The Reticulator Member
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    Goldgeller (View Comment):
    I’m not close to any of the stores but I’d gladly shop there if I were.

    We do most of our grocery shopping at the local Meijer store. You can’t blame the whole family for one black sheep.  

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  12. The Cynthonian Inactive
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Can we get off of the Gary/Poster tit for tat now, and discuss the point of the post? Thatwould be the importance of getting involved locally.

    Thanks

    For one, it would be interesting to hear of other Ricocheteers’ involvement with their local GOP organizations.

    I was a member and officer of my county central committee for about 8 years in the 90s. I probably would have kept doing it, except I moved to an area (King County, Washington) where the party structures are very weak.   Apparently they like it that way here.  I’m about to move again, this time to Arizona, where I plan to get involved again.

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  13. Taras Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    First, I am not the Bulwark or the Lincoln Project.

    Nope you just support them financially, as you keep reminding people.

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    I switched my contributions from the Lincoln Project to Republican Voters Against Trump.

    The acronym is almost perfect, RvAT.

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Second, Trump is not the Republican Party. The Republican Party is not Trump.

    He was just the wildly popular with Republican president who got more votes for President then any other Republican in history and had the election stolen from him. Most of us are not going to forget who helped persecute him.

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Third, the Trump flags have been coming down after their owners realize how Trump organized The Big Lie that the election was stolen after 60+ unsuccessful lawsuits, and that Trump summoned the rioters, set the fuse, and worst of all, refused to protect Mike Pence or the Capitol Police even after he realized that the Capitol had been breached, and Pence was in danger.

    The Trump flags re coming down because it is frankly dangerous to fly one or have any public association with Trump because of he witch hunt your friends on the Left are conducting, hounding people off of social media and using the dreaded McCarthyite tactics to destroy their careers.

    Question.

    You constantly refer to Mike Pence in a positive way. Yet you informed us over and over and over that any Republican who “bent the knee” must be swept away, and destroyed because Orange Man Very Bad.

    So. Who Bent The Knee more then Pence, who agreed to be Trumps VP and was largely loyal to him for the 4 years.

    Can’t wait to see the pretzel you become to justify this contradiction.

    I’ve finally figured out @garyrobbins, specifically his bizarre claim to be a “Reagan Republican”.

    Gary comes from the Mirror Universe.  Where Ronald Reagan was a socialist (with a goatee, of course) who bankrupted the U.S. to keep the Soviet Union afloat;  and Ted Kennedy was a principled anti-communist and libertarian.

    Everything immediately falls into place.  In that sense, yes, Gary Robbins is a “Reagan Republican”.

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  14. Gary Robbins Member
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    Taras (View Comment):

    Gary comes from the Mirror Universe. Where Ronald Reagan was a socialist (with a goatee, of course) who bankrupted the U.S. to keep the Soviet Union afloat; and Ted Kennedy was a principled anti-communist and libertarian.

    There is a truism that almost any situation can be address from a scene in Star Trek.  From “Mirror, Mirror” in Star Trek, the Original Series (TOS):

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  15. Kozak Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    The Whig Party died after having four of our first 15 Presidents, due to the issue of Slavery being extended to the Territories. The Republican Party will die if it does not reject Trump.

    Oh on the contrary. The GOP will go the way of the Whip party if they don’t learn from Trump and try to go back to the same old same old Uniparty, Globalist, Chamber of Commerce, losers they have been for quite awhile now.

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  16. Kozak Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    In light of the devastating evidence that Trump summoned the mob, charged them up and then refused to do a doggone thing after the breached the Capitol and forced Pence to flee, clearly Peter Meijer did the right thing. Inspired by your post, I gave him $50. Then WinRed asked if I wanted to give money to anyone else, and showed 10 pictures of other members of congress. I gave to $25 each to Congress Members Upton, Cheney, Gonzales and Katko, all of whom voted for impeachment. Since the other six had not voted for impeachment, I gave them no money. Thanks.

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  17. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    The Republican Party will die if it does not reject Trump.

    I think the party should examine MAGA policies because they are probably pretty close to 100% the best policies. It doesn’t have to be personally about Trump anymore I don’t think,

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  18. Gary Robbins Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    In light of the devastating evidence that Trump summoned the mob, charged them up and then refused to do a doggone thing after the breached the Capitol and forced Pence to flee, clearly Peter Meijer did the right thing. Inspired by your post, I gave him $50. Then WinRed asked if I wanted to give money to anyone else, and showed 10 pictures of other members of congress. I gave to $25 each to Congress Members Upton, Cheney, Gonzales and Katko, all of whom voted for impeachment. Since the other six had not voted for impeachment, I gave them no money. Thanks.

    In 1868. not a single Democrat Senator voted for the conviction of Andrew Johnson.  In 1999, not a single Democrat Senator voted for the conviction of Bill Clinton.  In 2020, for the very first time, a Senator from the President’s party voted to convict Trump.  In 2020, seven Republican Senators voted to convict Trump.  That is a breakthrough.  

    After the vote Mitch McConnell stated that Trump was practically and morally responsible for the Trump Riot on January 6, 2021.

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  19. Gary Robbins Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    The Republican Party will die if it does not reject Trump.

    I think the party should examine MAGA policies because they are probably pretty close to 100% the best policies. It doesn’t have to be personally about Trump anymore I don’t think,

    Many of Trump’s policies were good ones, namely taxes, regulations, judges and the Abraham Accords.  The problem is Trump’s complete lack of character, and his overt incitement of violence not just on January 5, 2021, but since 2016 when he refused to agree to the peaceful transfer of power.  

    The future of the party is not with MAGA, nor NT.  The future of the party are the “Never Again Trumpers” or NAT, such as Liz Cheney, Nikki Haley, and Mitch McConnell.  They voted for Trump in 2020, but after the Trump riot of 1/6, will never vote for him again. 

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  20. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    In light of the devastating evidence that Trump summoned the mob, charged them up and then refused to do a doggone thing after the breached the Capitol and forced Pence to flee, clearly Peter Meijer did the right thing. Inspired by your post, I gave him $50. Then WinRed asked if I wanted to give money to anyone else, and showed 10 pictures of other members of congress. I gave to $25 each to Congress Members Upton, Cheney, Gonzales and Katko, all of whom voted for impeachment. Since the other six had not voted for impeachment, I gave them no money. Thanks.

    <img class=”aligncenter size-full wp-image-894179 lazyloaded” src=”https://cdn.ricochet.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Screen-Shot-2021-02-14-at-2.02.38-PM.png” alt=”” width=”954″ height=”938″ /><img class=”aligncenter size-full wp-image-894179″ src=”https://cdn.ricochet.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Screen-Shot-2021-02-14-at-2.02.38-PM.png” alt=”” width=”954″ height=”938″ />

    In 1868. not a single Democrat Senator voted for the conviction of Andrew Johnson. In 1999, not a single Democrat Senator voted for the conviction of Bill Clinton. In 2020, for the very first time, a Senator from the President’s party voted to convict Trump. In 2020, seven Republican Senators voted to convict Trump. That is a breakthrough.

    After the vote Mitch McConnell stated that Trump was practically and morally responsible for the Trump Riot on January 6, 2021.

    The Founders never intended for impeachment to be used without wide bipartisan support. Threatening Nixon with it was the only one that made sense. They never should be doing this without substantial polling of the Senators / the public and full due process. 

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  21. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    The Republican Party will die if it does not reject Trump.

    I think the party should examine MAGA policies because they are probably pretty close to 100% the best policies. It doesn’t have to be personally about Trump anymore I don’t think,

    Many of Trump’s policies were good ones, namely taxes, regulations, judges and the Abraham Accords. The problem is Trump’s complete lack of character, and his overt incitement of violence not just on January 5, 2021, but since 2016 when he refused to agree to the peaceful transfer of power.

    The future of the party is not with MAGA, nor NT. The future of the party are the “Never Again Trumpers” or NAT, such as Liz Cheney, Nikki Haley, and Mitch McConnell. They voted for Trump in 2020, but after the Trump riot of 1/6, will never vote for him again.

    Do you really think people in this orbit can deal with the media, the cultural issues, the chamber of commerce, being more constructive about winning a war / using the military or whatever, making sure the workingman isn’t screwed by government policy, and the globalists etc. in the sense of what was constructive from Trump? I think your examples are pretty ridiculous in this sense. 

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  22. RufusRJones Member
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    For what it’s worth, the main guy in Minnesota that led me to be persuaded towards Trump is clearly expecting other guys to take over for Trump. I highly doubt it’s anybody Gary likes.

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  23. Gary Robbins Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    For what it’s worth, the main guy in Minnesota that led me to be persuaded towards Trump is clearly expecting other guys to take over for Trump. I highly doubt it’s anybody Gary likes.

    It won’t be a NT.  But it will be a NAT.

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  24. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    For what it’s worth, the main guy in Minnesota that led me to be persuaded towards Trump is clearly expecting other guys to take over for Trump. I highly doubt it’s anybody Gary likes.

    It won’t be a NT. But it will be a NAT.

    This is what it comes down to. Let’s just say it’s binary for purposes of clarity. NAT is not going to engage with broad MAGA approaches. I would be highly surprised if it were otherwise. Is that going to net out for conservatives and the country? I say no. I say the best thing for the country is a broad MAGA approach which is going to come from a non-NAT division. 

    Your favored division might get power, but I don’t think it’s good for the country or the right. It’s not going to push back Socialism very well, either.

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  25. RufusRJones Member
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    I think it’s been a million years since I’ve had a great engagement like that with Gary. lol

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  26. Gary Robbins Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    For what it’s worth, the main guy in Minnesota that led me to be persuaded towards Trump is clearly expecting other guys to take over for Trump. I highly doubt it’s anybody Gary likes.

    It won’t be a NT. But it will be a NAT.

    This is what it comes down to. Let’s just say it’s binary for purposes of clarity. NAT is not going to engage with broad MAGA approaches. I would be highly surprised if it were otherwise. Is that going to net out for conservatives and the country? I say no. I say the best thing for the country is a broad MAGA approach which is going to come from a non-NAT division.

    Your favored division might get power, but I don’t think it’s good for the country or the right. It’s not going to push back Socialism very well, either.

    Trump lost Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania by .2%, .3%, .6% and 1.2%.  That was the impact of the NT’s.  But a too Trumpy MAGA candidate will also lose the NAT vote which is much larger than the NT vote.

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  27. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    But a too Trumpy MAGA candidate will also lose the NAT vote which is much larger than the NT vote.

    What this comes down to is broad MAGA policy is superior which works against the selfish interests of a lot of NAT + NT. 

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  28. RufusRJones Member
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    This is a perfect example of the broad MAGA agenda. If you haven’t seen this yet, it is epic. Everybody is talking about it.

     

     

     

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  29. Taras Coolidge
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    @Taras

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    For what it’s worth, the main guy in Minnesota that led me to be persuaded towards Trump is clearly expecting other guys to take over for Trump. I highly doubt it’s anybody Gary likes.

    It won’t be a NT. But it will be a NAT.

    This is what it comes down to. Let’s just say it’s binary for purposes of clarity. NAT is not going to engage with broad MAGA approaches. I would be highly surprised if it were otherwise. Is that going to net out for conservatives and the country? I say no. I say the best thing for the country is a broad MAGA approach which is going to come from a non-NAT division.

    Your favored division might get power, but I don’t think it’s good for the country or the right. It’s not going to push back Socialism very well, either.

    Trump lost Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania by .2%, .3%, .6% and 1.2%. That was the impact of the NT’s. But a too Trumpy MAGA candidate will also lose the NAT vote which is much larger than the NT vote.

    Actually the Idiot Libertarian* vote made the difference in the first three, and almost the fourth.

    Of course, this is without estimating how many Biden votes were fraudulent or illegal.  It probably didn’t matter if a few stuck-up sticky-beak Republicans pooh-poohed that crude fellow Trump:  Democratic machines could have churned out a few thousand more Biden votes if they had been needed.

    In Florida in 2000, the Democratic machines were wrong-footed when the media mistakenly called the state for Gore.  In 2016, of course, they were all sure Hillary was a lock.  Maybe a Republican can win the Presidency only when the establishment isn’t looking!

    *Libertarians for Socialism, Suppression of Free Speech, and Foreign Wars.  If the Libertarian Party had been around in 1864, McClellan and the slave interest would have won the election.

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  30. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    The Republican Party will die if it does not reject Trump.

    I think the party should examine MAGA policies because they are probably pretty close to 100% the best policies. It doesn’t have to be personally about Trump anymore I don’t think,

    Many of Trump’s policies were good ones, namely taxes, regulations, judges and the Abraham Accords. The problem is Trump’s complete lack of character, and his overt incitement of violence not just on January 5, 2021, but since 2016 when he refused to agree to the peaceful transfer of power.

    The future of the party is not with MAGA, nor NT. The future of the party are the “Never Again Trumpers” or NAT, such as Liz Cheney, Nikki Haley, and Mitch McConnell. They voted for Trump in 2020, but after the Trump riot of 1/6, will never vote for him again.

    Do you really think people in this orbit can deal with the media, the cultural issues, the chamber of commerce, being more constructive about winning a war / using the military or whatever, making sure the workingman isn’t screwed by government policy, and the globalists etc. in the sense of what was constructive from Trump? I think your examples are pretty ridiculous in this sense.

    In 2024, Nikki Haley will probably be Donald Trump’s running mate.

    N.B.:  Somebody reported that, if Trump started a third party, 70% of Republicans would follow him there.  True, NATs can be an annoyance, until you spray them with insecticide.

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