Government Tells Citizens ‘We Have to Break your Will’ on Climate

 

In life and death situations, there are no Marquess of Queensbury rules. Faced with an existential threat, nothing is off the table. Given the fact that the survival of the human race is at risk (not to mention the Obamas’, Kerrys’, and Kennedys’ waterfront estates), the State of Massachusetts has no choice.

“We have to break your will.”

So says Massachusetts Undersecretary for Climate, David Ismay. In a Zoom meeting with citizens of neighboring Vermont, Ismay was quite candid. He admits “I can’t even say this publicly”…

“60% of our emissions that need to be reduced come from you, the person up the street, the senior on a fixed income, right? There is no bad guy left. At least in Massachusetts … We have to break your will.”

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  1. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    So maddening to watch these petty little tyrants on their little power trips.

    Making a declaration of war against Americans; All the while watching China and India doing the majority of the damage to the atmosphere.

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  2. Kozak Member
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    Sounds like we are going to have to break his will.

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  3. Ekosj Member
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    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    So maddening to watch these petty little tyrants on their little power trips.

    Making a declaration of war against Americans: All the while watching China and India doing the majority of the damage to the atmosphere.

    Ismay may be a petty little tyrant.   But exactly because he’s a small fry he’s not going to go far afield from the party line.    I’m sure he’s only repeating what he’s heard on Zoom calls from the Xiden administration along with various and sundry experts.   They have the ability and the desire to try to do exactly that – Break our will to emit carbon.   

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  4. Bob Thompson Member
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    How do you explain Liz Cheney, who says Donald Trump is not the leader of the Republican Party? I have two questions. First, what other elected Republicans join Cheney and second, does anyone know who the leader of the Party is,  if not Trump?

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  5. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    So maddening to watch these petty little tyrants on their little power trips.

    Making a declaration of war against Americans: All the while watching China and India doing the majority of the damage to the atmosphere.

    Ismay may be a petty little tyrant. But exactly because he’s a small fry he’s not going to go far afield from the party line. I’m sure he’s only repeating what he’s heard on Zoom calls from the Xiden administration along with various and sundry experts. They have the ability and the desire to try to do exactly that – Break our will to emit carbon.

    In trying to understand people like Ismay, sometimes it’s useful to examine the characters of Ivanov and Gletkin in Darkness at Noon (Arthur Koestler).

    Little cogs in a wheel of tyranny that have the power of life and death over the helpless citizens.  

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  6. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    And meanwhile, US emissions are at the lowest they’ve been in decades thanks to the boom in natural gas. 

     It’s not about “climate change” with these people. It’s about making life nasty, brutish and short for the lower classes. The elites will still have their private jets. As John Kerry said, he pays carbon indulgences, so it’s okay for him. Not for you proles.

     

     

     

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  7. DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) Coolidge
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    How do you explain Liz Cheney, who says Donald Trump is not the leader of the Republican Party? I have two questions. First, what other elected Republicans join Cheney and second, does anyone know who the leader of the Party is, if not Trump?

    In a secret ballot about 2/3rds of House GOP voted to keep Cheney in leadership.   Thus, the majority of GOP politicians are not aligned with the majority of the members.

     

    The Climate Cult are dangerous and a die-off the world’s poor from their idiocy is a bonus for many of them.  Life should be cold, dark and painful for the pleebs.

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  8. MarciN Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    How do you explain Liz Cheney, who says Donald Trump is not the leader of the Republican Party? I have two questions. First, what other elected Republicans join Cheney and second, does anyone know who the leader of the Party is, if not Trump?

    By tradition, the leader of the party has always been the most recent Republican president. (By the way, that was true for the Democrats too. I imagine it still is, given the influence Obama has over the party.) He or she remains the head of the party until another Republican is elected president.

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  9. Bob Thompson Member
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    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    How do you explain Liz Cheney, who says Donald Trump is not the leader of the Republican Party? I have two questions. First, what other elected Republicans join Cheney and second, does anyone know who the leader of the Party is, if not Trump?

    In a secret ballot about 2/3rds of House GOP voted to keep Cheney in leadership. Thus, the majority of GOP politicians are not aligned with the majority of the members.

     

    The Climate Cult are dangerous and a die-off the world’s poor from their idiocy is a bonus for many of them. Life should be cold, dark and painful for the pleebs.

    The big kahuna is still the fixed election process we just went through. If Democrats, aka Communists, can hold the fort and make that election process normal, they won’t have a need to contest individual issues like climate change, free education, medical care, abortion, etc. Everything gets handled at the point where the idiots are installed in political power.

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  10. Bob Thompson Member
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    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    How do you explain Liz Cheney, who says Donald Trump is not the leader of the Republican Party? I have two questions. First, what other elected Republicans join Cheney and second, does anyone know who the leader of the Party is, if not Trump?

    In a secret ballot about 2/3rds of House GOP voted to keep Cheney in leadership. Thus, the majority of GOP politicians are not aligned with the majority of the members.

     

    The Climate Cult are dangerous and a die-off the world’s poor from their idiocy is a bonus for many of them. Life should be cold, dark and painful for the pleebs.

    Nothing here answered my questions.

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  11. Bob Thompson Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    How do you explain Liz Cheney, who says Donald Trump is not the leader of the Republican Party? I have two questions. First, what other elected Republicans join Cheney and second, does anyone know who the leader of the Party is, if not Trump?

    By tradition, the leader of the party has always been the most recent Republican president. By the way, that was true for the Democrats too. He or she remains the head of the party until another Republican is elected president.

    I know that. Who does Liz Cheney say is the leader of the Party? By the vote in the House minority they appear to give her some credence, so have her speak.

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  12. ctlaw Coolidge
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  13. The Reticulator Member
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    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    And meanwhile, US emissions are at the lowest they’ve been in decades thanks to the boom in natural gas.

    It’s not about “climate change” with these people. It’s about making life nasty, brutish and short for the lower classes. The elites will still have their private jets. As John Kerry said, he pays carbon indulgences, so it’s okay for him. Not for you proles.

    I’m in favor of doing things to lower US carbon emissions, but people like John Kerry and David Ismay are making it difficult when they want it the sacrifices to apply mostly to the peasants and proletariat.

    Speaking of making life nasty, brutish and short for the lower classes, this appeared on my Twitter last night:

    I checked it out, and the exemption doesn’t apply directly to first class and business class. It applies to people who have seats in which they can lie down fully and sleep, while they are sleeping, which pretty much means not the proles with travel budgets like yours and mine. 

     

     

     

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  14. TheRightNurse Member
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    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    And meanwhile, US emissions are at the lowest they’ve been in decades thanks to the boom in natural gas.

    It’s not about “climate change” with these people. It’s about making life nasty, brutish and short for the lower classes. The elites will still have their private jets. As John Kerry said, he pays carbon indulgences, so it’s okay for him. Not for you proles.

    Hey, if you can pay, you can play.  That’s how all of this works, right?  If you have money, you can have your rights.  The 2A with the taxes and fees, and now with CO2.  If you can afford it, you can do it.  It’s the rest of us that have to get it together, because we’re just the unwashed masses.

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  15. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    “The revolution is successful. But survival depends on drastic measures. Your continued existence represents a threat to the well-being of society. Your lives mean slow death to the more valued members of the colony. Therefore, I have no alternative but to sentence you to death. Your execution is so ordered, signed Kodos, Governor of Tarsus IV.”

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  16. MarciN Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    How do you explain Liz Cheney, who says Donald Trump is not the leader of the Republican Party? I have two questions. First, what other elected Republicans join Cheney and second, does anyone know who the leader of the Party is, if not Trump?

    By tradition, the leader of the party has always been the most recent Republican president. By the way, that was true for the Democrats too. He or she remains the head of the party until another Republican is elected president.

    I know that. Who does Liz Cheney say is the leader of the Party? By the vote in the House minority they appear to give her some credence, so have her speak.

    Oh, I see what you’re asking. Who does Liz Cheney think it is. Got it. I don’t know. 

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  17. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    TheRightNurse (View Comment):

    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    And meanwhile, US emissions are at the lowest they’ve been in decades thanks to the boom in natural gas.

    It’s not about “climate change” with these people. It’s about making life nasty, brutish and short for the lower classes. The elites will still have their private jets. As John Kerry said, he pays carbon indulgences, so it’s okay for him. Not for you proles.

    Hey, if you can pay, you can play. That’s how all of this works, right? If you have money, you can have your rights. The 2A with the taxes and fees, and now with CO2. If you can afford it, you can do it. It’s the rest of us that have to get it together, because we’re just the unwashed masses.

    That’s pretty much the way it is. Laws and rules for the little people, exemptions for the elite classes. 2020 put that on full display.

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  18. David Foster Member
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    You know, if I had an employee that went around saying that he needed to ‘break my will’ in order to implement some policy which he was in favor of…

    I’d fire him.

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  19. Bob Thompson Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    How do you explain Liz Cheney, who says Donald Trump is not the leader of the Republican Party? I have two questions. First, what other elected Republicans join Cheney and second, does anyone know who the leader of the Party is, if not Trump?

    By tradition, the leader of the party has always been the most recent Republican president. By the way, that was true for the Democrats too. He or she remains the head of the party until another Republican is elected president.

    I know that. Who does Liz Cheney say is the leader of the Party? By the vote in the House minority they appear to give her some credence, so have her speak.

    Oh, I see what you’re asking. Who does Liz Cheney think it is. Got it. I don’t know.

    This is a real puzzle in my opinion. All those votes to support Cheney in her current position with an election coming in less than 2 years and I get no sense whatsoever who they think is the leader of the Republican Party. I don’t think most of those Representatives who voted to retain her as the chair of the Republican Conference agree with her vote for impeachment or that Trump is not the leader of the Republican Party. I don’t see how this situation can stand without fireworks.

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  20. Bob Thompson Member
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    David Foster (View Comment):

    You know, if I had an employee that went around saying that he needed to ‘break my will’ in order to implement some policy which he was in favor of…

    I’d fire him.

    I brought Liz Cheney into this discussion because that is what I see there.

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  21. Bob Thompson Member
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    David Foster (View Comment):

    You know, if I had an employee that went around saying that he needed to ‘break my will’ in order to implement some policy which he was in favor of…

    I’d fire him.

    I sat here for a few minutes contemplating this statement. Any elected official in our government who supports the collective, and I think that will include almost all that are holding to close ties with China, all who favor medicare for all, free college education, and eliminating reliance on fossil fuels, should be fired by those who support the individual liberty guaranteed by our Constitution.

    BTW, all those people are Communists or Communists sympathizers whether they self-identify as such or not. Why do they avoid that? 

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  22. DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    I’m in favor of doing things to lower US carbon emissions

    Why?   CO2 is vital nutrient for plant-life (and thus all life) on this planet.   The earth has a flaw in that CO2 can be captured in shells/limestone and not recycled thus strangulating all life on earth.  Lucky for all life that humans can along to burn some coal.   The earth is greening and even Gaia is happy with more CO2.  Are you really “in favor of doing things” to harm all life on this planet (all life in the Universe as far as we know)?

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  23. The Reticulator Member
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    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    I’m in favor of doing things to lower US carbon emissions

    Why? CO2 is vital nutrient for plant-life (and thus all life) on this planet. The earth has a flaw in that CO2 can be captured in shells/limestone and not recycled thus strangulating all life on earth. Lucky for all life that humans can along to burn some coal. The earth is greening and even Gaia is happy with more CO2. Are you really “in favor of doing things” to harm all life on this planet (all life in the Universe as far as we know)?

    Yes, I want to destroy life as we know it. The universe just can’t get along if we don’t put all our fossil fuel reserves into earth’s atmosphere.

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  24. Joker Member
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    One problem with any liberal cause is that there’s no stated objective. There’s never a goal to be met where they walk away from the cause because their work is done. So when that point should be reached, they never see it coming.

    Once you hit the point where further steps will interfere with citizen’s constitutionally protected pursuit of happiness, you’re done. Absent a compelling State interest to which the citizens directly agree, mission accomplished. Go home knowing that you’ve executed the maximum amount of aggravation and expense on your fellow man and hope they never figure out that it was you inflicting the grief.

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  25. Miffed White Male Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    How do you explain Liz Cheney, who says Donald Trump is not the leader of the Republican Party? I have two questions. First, what other elected Republicans join Cheney and second, does anyone know who the leader of the Party is, if not Trump?

    By tradition, the leader of the party has always been the most recent Republican president. By the way, that was true for the Democrats too. He or she remains the head of the party until another Republican is elected president.

    Not when they lose.

    Carter wasn’t “the leader of the party” for the Democrats after 1980.

    HW Bush wasn’t the leader of the party after 1992.

     

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  26. Bob Thompson Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    How do you explain Liz Cheney, who says Donald Trump is not the leader of the Republican Party? I have two questions. First, what other elected Republicans join Cheney and second, does anyone know who the leader of the Party is, if not Trump?

    By tradition, the leader of the party has always been the most recent Republican president. By the way, that was true for the Democrats too. He or she remains the head of the party until another Republican is elected president.

    Not when they lose.

    Carter wasn’t “the leader of the party” for the Democrats after 1980.

    HW Bush wasn’t the leader of the party after 1992.

     

    You have any insights into who these people think is the leader? BTW, do you think Trump lost?

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  27. Miffed White Male Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    How do you explain Liz Cheney, who says Donald Trump is not the leader of the Republican Party? I have two questions. First, what other elected Republicans join Cheney and second, does anyone know who the leader of the Party is, if not Trump?

    By tradition, the leader of the party has always been the most recent Republican president. By the way, that was true for the Democrats too. He or she remains the head of the party until another Republican is elected president.

    Not when they lose.

    Carter wasn’t “the leader of the party” for the Democrats after 1980.

    HW Bush wasn’t the leader of the party after 1992.

     

    You have any insights into who these people think is the leader? BTW, do you think Trump lost?

    Yes, Trump lost.

    It takes a while for a new leader to emerge after a Presidential loss.  It usually starts with senior Congressional members, since they’re the ones in office who hold any power.

    After 1980, I think the leader of the Democrats, at least short term, was probably Tip O’Neil and George Mitchell.

    Immediately after 1992, I don’t recall exactly, but Gingrich emerged even before the 1994 midterms.  Jack Kemp was probably in the mix there as well.

    Today, it would probably be McConnell, until somebody else comes along.

     

     

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  28. Miffed White Male Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    How do you explain Liz Cheney, who says Donald Trump is not the leader of the Republican Party? I have two questions. First, what other elected Republicans join Cheney and second, does anyone know who the leader of the Party is, if not Trump?

    By tradition, the leader of the party has always been the most recent Republican president. By the way, that was true for the Democrats too. He or she remains the head of the party until another Republican is elected president.

    Not when they lose.

    Carter wasn’t “the leader of the party” for the Democrats after 1980.

    HW Bush wasn’t the leader of the party after 1992.

     

    And after a bit of thought, I’ll take it further – I don’t think anyone can convincingly argue that George W Bush was “leader of the Party” after 2008 – the party pretty much wanted nothing to do with him.  Reagan of course was not after 1988, since HW was in office.  Ford wasn’t after 1976, and Nixon certainly wasn’t.

    So you’re back to Ike in 1960.  Before my time, but someone will have to convince me that he was  the party leader.  And before that you’re back to Hoover.

    So what’s this alleged “tradition” that the party leader is the most recent President?

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  29. The Reticulator Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    How do you explain Liz Cheney, who says Donald Trump is not the leader of the Republican Party? I have two questions. First, what other elected Republicans join Cheney and second, does anyone know who the leader of the Party is, if not Trump?

    By tradition, the leader of the party has always been the most recent Republican president. By the way, that was true for the Democrats too. He or she remains the head of the party until another Republican is elected president.

    Not when they lose.

    Carter wasn’t “the leader of the party” for the Democrats after 1980.

    HW Bush wasn’t the leader of the party after 1992.

    And after a bit of thought, I’ll take it further – I don’t think anyone can convincingly argue that George W Bush was “leader of the Party” after 2008 – the party pretty much wanted nothing to do with him. Reagan of course was not after 1988, since HW was in office. Ford wasn’t after 1976, and Nixon certainly wasn’t.

    So you’re back to Ike in 1960. Before my time, but someone will have to convince me that he was the party leader. And before that you’re back to Hoover.

    So what’s this alleged “tradition” that the party leader is the most recent President?

    I’m pretty sure Goldwater was not party leader after the 1964 election.  That’s probably when I learned that a defeated candidate is not likely the leader going forward.

    Of course, you’re talking about presidents and not presidential candidates.

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  30. Bob Thompson Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    How do you explain Liz Cheney, who says Donald Trump is not the leader of the Republican Party? I have two questions. First, what other elected Republicans join Cheney and second, does anyone know who the leader of the Party is, if not Trump?

    By tradition, the leader of the party has always been the most recent Republican president. By the way, that was true for the Democrats too. He or she remains the head of the party until another Republican is elected president.

    Not when they lose.

    Carter wasn’t “the leader of the party” for the Democrats after 1980.

    HW Bush wasn’t the leader of the party after 1992.

     

    And after a bit of thought, I’ll take it further – I don’t think anyone can convincingly argue that George W Bush was “leader of the Party” after 2008 – the party pretty much wanted nothing to do with him. Reagan of course was not after 1988, since HW was in office. Ford wasn’t after 1976, and Nixon certainly wasn’t.

    So you’re back to Ike in 1960. Before my time, but someone will have to convince me that he was the party leader. And before that you’re back to Hoover.

    So what’s this alleged “tradition” that the party leader is the most recent President?

    I have not heard who the new leader is so it may be early to say who it is not.

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