Feeding the Gulag?

 

The new Secretary of State has opined that the US should allow Hong Kong refugees from Beijing’s repression to come to the United States. It is my opinion that most of those refugees fleeing communist repression might just have a bias toward Liberty. Given what the new regime has planned for the freedom-lovers already here (total repression), might they just be inviting in their sworn enemies? Might they just be inviting in, people like the ones they have already defined as “domestic terrorists” and destined for the internal US gulag?

I am in favor of all Hong Kongers being offered asylum in the US as soon as possible, before the Communists prevent their leaving entirely. I would just hate to see them all subjected to exactly what they left Hong Kong to get away from.

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  1. Sisyphus Member
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    @Sisyphus

    Michael Yon just posted an impassioned plea that we do just that.

    United States should take 100,000 Hong Kongers today. Danger is proximate and severe. Hong Kongers should go to front of line for asylum.

    This is not mere economic migration. Hong Kongers face both soft and hard genocide. They are good people with strong minds and work ethnic. Family people. They assimilate easily.

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  2. Ray Kujawa Coolidge
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    @RayKujawa

    We wouldn’t happen to have an extradition treaty with the PRC, would we? That would be really bad.

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  3. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    @HartmannvonAue

    Ray Kujawa (View Comment):

    We wouldn’t happen to have an extradition treaty with the PRC, would we? That would be really bad.

    I checked Ray and the answer is no. 

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  4. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    I like the idea of benefiting from a Hong Kong brain drain, but I’d like to know what the PRC operative-to-refugee rate will be. 

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  5. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    TBA (View Comment):

    I like the idea of benefiting from a Hong Kong brain drain, but I’d like to know what the PRC operative-to-refugee rate will be.

    They’re already sending over plenty via the Confucius Societies and foreign students enrolled at our universities. Then there’s Mlle. Fang Fang. It’s worth thinking about, but not worth worrying about.

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  6. Gary Robbins Reagan
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    This is timely and great post.

    Our country has greatly benefited from the addition of the Vietnamese “Boat People” and Cuban refugees.  Freedom loving, educated, entrepreneurial people are a welcome addition to our country.

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  7. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…
    @ArizonaPatriot

    I disagree.  It does not seem at all reasonable to allow something like 7.5 million people into our country.  That would be a huge influx, with incalculable effects.  Some effects would probably be good, some bad.  For one thing, what would it do to our housing market?

    It seems quite lacking in analysis to assume that absolutely everyone in HK is a great person, and would contribute mightily to the US.  I imagine that some would, and some wouldn’t.

    What are the criteria for giving this great treatment to HK?  Many people are oppressed throughout the world.  Even many in other parts of China. Are we to admit them all?

    No, that would be impossible.  They would probably number in the billions.

    If we don’t let in all of them, where do you draw the line?  This becomes the problem.  I strongly recommend Douglas Murray’s book The Strange Death of Europe on this point.

    Frankly, I find this approach to look like unrealistic virtue-signaling, without thinking through the ramifications.  It may be a good idea to offer a refuge so some people.  I’m in a rather anti-immigration mood right now, not out of any dislike for immigrants in principle, but because we’re having enough cultural problems without exacerbating them through an influx of foreigners.

    You know, it is often free-market libertarian-types who object to policies that have no limiting principle.  What is the limiting principle applicable to the people of HK, or others who are oppressed throughout the world?  I do find the “limiting principle” concept to be unsophisticated, as it’s usually a question of balancing competing interests, rather than drawing a bright line.  But even so, we should be considering the balance of interests.

    There seems to be no consideration of these issues.

    And don’t tell me that the HKers are good capitalists.  They may well be, and that’s better than being a ChiCom.  But there is much more to culture than free-market economics.

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  8. HeavyWater Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    This is timely and great post.

    Our country has greatly benefited from the addition of the Vietnamese “Boat People” and Cuban refugees. Freedom loving, educated, entrepreneurial people are a welcome addition to our country.

    I agree.  Not only that.  Asian-Americans earn, on average, higher per capita incomes than other Americans.  Also, Asian-Americans have lower rates of crime and divorce than other Americans.

    As Paul McCartney sang in the mid-1970s: Let ’em in.

     

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  9. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    @ArizonaPatriot

    I particularly like your comment, HW.  As if we should base immigration policy on silly songs by former Beatles.

    I know that you did say more.  You base it on averages, of “Asian Americans” broadly.  You address nothing about the potential problems in the housing market, the labor market, the schools, other infrastructure, and myriad other portions of our complex nation and economy if we allow 7.5 million — 7.5 MILLION!!! — people into the country.

    How would you even put a roof over their head?

    Do you not think that they might displace some American workers?

    But no, all of you, virtue-signal away.  This is why we lose politically.

    President Trump correctly gauged the attitude of the bulk of the American people — and especially of Republicans — on the issue of immigration.  But no, you all decide to side with Biden’s SecState.  Without giving it more than a moment’s thought, as far as I can tell, as your arguments are all feel-good platitudes and cliches.

    We haven’t even considered the negative effect that this policy may have on China.  If there’s ever going to be change in China, it will require brave people to oppose their wicked regime.  It is not an easy task, and I do not envy them the persecution that they will face.  But if we give them an outlet, it is less likely that the pressures will build inside China that could actually lead to some improvement.

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  10. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    @RushBabe49

    Who would you rather have?  The wealthy, productive, skilled Hong Kongers, or the poor, unskilled Mexicans and Central Americans already massing at our southern border waiting to cross illegally at Biden’s invitation?

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  11. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    We can absorb the HKers with no problem.

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    We haven’t even considered the negative effect that this policy may have on China.

    I have.

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  12. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    @ArizonaPatriot

    Percival (View Comment):

    We can absorb the HKers with no problem.

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    We haven’t even considered the negative effect that this policy may have on China.

    I have.

    On the first point, please explain how we could absorb 7.5 million people “with no problem.”  Please cite any prior examples of large, short-term immigration at anywhere near this level.

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  13. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    @ArizonaPatriot

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Who would you rather have? The wealthy, productive, skilled Hong Kongers, or the poor, unskilled Mexicans and Central Americans already massing at our southern border waiting to cross illegally at Biden’s invitation?

    I would rather have neither, which is the result under current law.

    I dislike our new President’s policy toward Mexican immigration, and I dislike his policy toward HK immigration.  There is one minor caveat to this, which is that I have not heard or read a statement by the President himself on the issue, but rather from his SecState, which I assume represents administration policy.

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  14. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    We can absorb the HKers with no problem.

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    We haven’t even considered the negative effect that this policy may have on China.

    I have.

    On the first point, please explain how we could absorb 7.5 million people “with no problem.” Please cite any prior examples of large, short-term immigration at anywhere near this level.

    7.5 million, the vast majority of which are educated to a higher level than the average American?

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  15. TBA Coolidge
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    @RobtGilsdorf

    Percival (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    We can absorb the HKers with no problem.

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    We haven’t even considered the negative effect that this policy may have on China.

    I have.

    On the first point, please explain how we could absorb 7.5 million people “with no problem.” Please cite any prior examples of large, short-term immigration at anywhere near this level.

    7.5 million, the vast majority of which are educated to a higher level than the average American?

    So you’re staying they’ll steal all the jobs Mexican immigrants aren’t skilled enough for? ;) 

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  16. Percival Thatcher
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    @Percival

    TBA (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    We can absorb the HKers with no problem.

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    We haven’t even considered the negative effect that this policy may have on China.

    I have.

    On the first point, please explain how we could absorb 7.5 million people “with no problem.” Please cite any prior examples of large, short-term immigration at anywhere near this level.

    7.5 million, the vast majority of which are educated to a higher level than the average American?

    So you’re staying they’ll steal all the jobs Mexican immigrants aren’t skilled enough for? ;)

    Compete maybe. Not steal.

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  17. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    @RushBabe49

    No, the Hong Kongers will start their own companies and maybe employ all the Mexicans, teach them to be hard workers and conservatives, and drive the Democrats crazy when their imports vote them out of office.

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  18. JimGoneWild Coolidge
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    RushBabe49: I would just hate to see them all subjected to exactly what they left Hong Kong to get away from.

    What? Making solar panels? And taking those jobs from American ex-oil pipeline workers!? 

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