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Your Opinion on Impeachment
I’d like to gauge the extent of support for, or opposition to, impeachment among the Ricochetti. Here’s what I ask you to do: I’m going to set forth two questions, and if you’re interested in participating, I ask that you answer them in the comments. This will work better if you refrain from commenting or arguing, and simply state your answers.
The two questions are:
- At this moment, do you support or oppose the impeachment and conviction of President Trump? I recommend that you answer either “support impeachment and conviction,” “oppose impeachment and conviction,” or “undecided.”
- Have you changed your mind on the question of impeachment and removal? I recommend that you answer either “I have changed my mind as events unfolded” or “I have not changed my mind as events unfolded.” The purpose of this question is to gauge whether additional consideration, during the past 8 days or so, has altered any initial opinion that you may have formed.
I should add that, by answering question 1, I do not think that you should be bound to that answer in the future. You may learn additional facts, or you may be persuaded by additional arguments, in either direction.
Prior to this recommended poll, I have two data points about the level of support for impeachment and conviction among folks on the political right:
- Among the Ricochetti, the data suggest that we are close to 50-50. Jon Gabriel posted (here) on January 6, stating that the President should be impeached, convicted, and removed, and that post currently has 47 likes. I posted (here) on January 8, strongly criticizing the call for impeachment, and that post currently has 50 likes.
- Among Republican Congressmen, 200 opposed impeachment, 10 voted for impeachment (with 1 absent and not yet determined).
My answers: I oppose impeachment and conviction. I have not changed my mind as events unfolded.
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Speaking of authoritarianism:
This one?
“In the end it is worse to suppress dissent than to run the risk of heresy.”
Or this one?
“Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law can save it.”
Or maybe this one?
“If we are to keep democracy, there must be a commandment: Thou shalt not ration justice.”
Perhaps this one?
“Counting heads is not an ideal way to govern, at least it is better than breaking them.”
This one. I’d love to see somebody explain why it’s wrong.
What then is the spirit of liberty? I cannot define it; I can only tell you my own faith. The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right; the spirit of liberty is the spirit which seeks to understand the minds of other men and women; the spirit of liberty is the spirit which weighs their interests alongside its own without bias; the spirit of liberty remembers that not even a sparrow falls to earth unheeded; the spirit of liberty is the spirit of Him who, near two thousand years ago, taught mankind that lesson it has never learned, but has never quite forgotten; that there may be a kingdom where the least shall be heard and considered side by side with the greatest.
With the exception of the Military and maybe some law enforcement, government is basically a Democrat endeavor, for Democrats by Democrats. This is just the Democrats starting the purge of non Democrats from the military. To be honest, at this point, if I was conservative I would get our of the military as fast as possible. Very little chance of career advancement and very high chance of being put in the line of harm for no reason. Democrats always protect their own.
This is the key part.
Basically, everybody is pro centralization, pro pushing everybody else around with government, pro stealing from each other. etc. You are stupid not to get in on the action.
This guy is about as low in the slimebucket as anyone in Congress, and that’s saying something.
Those are excellent points. If anything, one could argue that Trump as been too unwilling to exercise his power. Ann Coulter certainly thought that when it came to the immigration issue, and she became a rabid Anti-Trumper as a result.
Did we ever get a final count on the purpose of the thread? Jerry was doing some interim ones.
We do need a final count. What happen to Jerry?
Offput by posts not involving his question?
Final results through comment #254. I’m going to count this one closed at this point.
86% oppose impeachment/removal (102 of 119)
10% support impeachment/removal (12 of 119)
4% other response (5 of 119) — such as undecided, or support impeachment but not removal
Very few reported having changed their mind. 5 changed from support to oppose. 1 changed from oppose to support. I did not count any reporting a change to or from undecided.
Mega dittoes!!!!
I do not support this travesty, and I haven’t changed my mind. My position is hard as a diamond.
Shouldn’t that be maga dittoes?
Ditti?
I think those are like songs.
Kind of disappointed that the “likes” on Jon Gabriel’s semi-infamous post in the afternoon of 1/6 didn’t compare to the “support impeachment” here.