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Your Opinion on Impeachment
I’d like to gauge the extent of support for, or opposition to, impeachment among the Ricochetti. Here’s what I ask you to do: I’m going to set forth two questions, and if you’re interested in participating, I ask that you answer them in the comments. This will work better if you refrain from commenting or arguing, and simply state your answers.
The two questions are:
- At this moment, do you support or oppose the impeachment and conviction of President Trump? I recommend that you answer either “support impeachment and conviction,” “oppose impeachment and conviction,” or “undecided.”
- Have you changed your mind on the question of impeachment and removal? I recommend that you answer either “I have changed my mind as events unfolded” or “I have not changed my mind as events unfolded.” The purpose of this question is to gauge whether additional consideration, during the past 8 days or so, has altered any initial opinion that you may have formed.
I should add that, by answering question 1, I do not think that you should be bound to that answer in the future. You may learn additional facts, or you may be persuaded by additional arguments, in either direction.
Prior to this recommended poll, I have two data points about the level of support for impeachment and conviction among folks on the political right:
- Among the Ricochetti, the data suggest that we are close to 50-50. Jon Gabriel posted (here) on January 6, stating that the President should be impeached, convicted, and removed, and that post currently has 47 likes. I posted (here) on January 8, strongly criticizing the call for impeachment, and that post currently has 50 likes.
- Among Republican Congressmen, 200 opposed impeachment, 10 voted for impeachment (with 1 absent and not yet determined).
My answers: I oppose impeachment and conviction. I have not changed my mind as events unfolded.
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It doesn’t work that way. He can be barred from being appointed to a position, but impeachment and conviction does not limit whom the people can elect into office. That’s a very important difference, and was intentional. The people can elect whomever they want to any office, except that the President has to be a natural citizen over the age of 35. We don’t work for Congress, they work for us, they can’t tell us whom we elect to office.
I oppose
I have not changed my mind
I oppose impeachment and conviction. I have not changed my mind as events unfolded.
The impeached circus is a monumental farce and waste of political capital and energy – just like it was in January 2020 when the nation was focused on impeachment while Chinese COVID-19 was disseminating throughout the world. As a country, we have much bigger matters to pay attention to than squashing Trump into oblivion. Suck it up and MOVE ON! I think everyone is a little nuts to allow Trump take up so much space in their heads – pro or con.
Never. We can never forgive the perfidy to our nation and its ballot procedures, and the unwillingness to even investigate the very serious and substantial allegations. If there were nothing to those allegations, they would have dealt with it. Since they refused to, that shows that they didn’t want their sins exposed, neither the democrats nor the GOPe.
(I’d like to discuss these, but I appreciate that @arizonapatriot requested not to in this thread.)
Oppose
No
Comparing Congress to the “Upper Class Twit of the Year” Contest is awfully insulting…to the Upper Class Twits.
Oppose
No
I oppose impeachment and conviction.
I have not changed my mind as events unfolded.
I oppose impeachment and conviction.
I have change my mind as events unfolded, and I recognized this was deeply partisan stunt meant to destroy Donald Trump and more importantly fracture the Republican party and give the Democrats control of the government for a generation.
I agree with you. But a reckoning on the election fraud committed in this election is NOT going to happen! While we are crying in our Wheaties about it and otherwise occupied, the fascists are moving on to something else. I’m a realist. We need to have energy and social capital for the next battle – which in part may be shoring up election systems to avoid this in the future, but election 2020 is a done deal.
I oppose impeachment and conviction. I have not changed my mind as events unfolded.
Obama outdid Nixon.
Oppose
No
Updated counts through #165.
There is 1 undecided, and 2 who supported impeachment but not conviction.
Notes for possible clarification:
If any (or all) of the three Ricochetti listed above wish to clarify, I will include your votes in the next update.
What he said, except that I would add future presidents to the statement about previous presidents.
I oppose impeachment and conviction.
I have not changed my mind as events unfolded.
Have you counted the mail-in ballots yet?
You will have to wait until the polls are closed and the “no to impeachment” poll watchers are sent home.
I oppose impeachment and conviction.
I continue to do so and it would take a lot to change my mind in this case.
I’ve tabulated on my own 889 votes for impeachment. I don’t have a paper trail and don’t know who these people are, but trust me they’re there. Impeachment for the win!!!
Separate the mail-in ballot envelopes from the enclosed ballots and shred the envelopes immediately.
Will do.
He’s not a threat to be elected to anything. The worst he could be is a spoiler.
Could you clarify about whether you also oppose impeachment (now)? My impression is that you supported impeachment all along, previously supported conviction, but now oppose conviction. I’ll hold off on counting your vote for now (but want to, whatever it is, so please respond if you are able).
And cause a water leak in Jerry’s house.
He currently has a large plurality of Republicans in favor of him running in 2024; I think impeaching him (and falsely accusing those morons in DC of ‘insurrection’) is a pretty despicable thing to do on that basis, but he could definitely win the primary election (and its not even outside the realm of possibility of him winning the Presidential election if Biden/Harris screw up enough, but I would agree its highly unlikely at this point). Of course, destroying the Republican party in order to save it seems like a questionably effective tactic in itself.