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We’ve all read the news: Twitter has banned the President of the United States and many of his supporters from their service. Hosting enterprises like Amazon Web Services have tossed conservative-leaning sites from their servers. Apple and Google have removed apps like Parler from their app stores.

So, is Ricochet vulnerable?

No. This community is hosted by Astroluxe, a hosting enterprise founded by like-minded businesspeople. One of them is an old friend of Ricochet’s, Charles Cooke, the original Conservatarian. The other is John Ekdahl, who in addition to being a web developer extraordinaire, is also a fierce 1st Amendment advocate. We’re proud to be in business with them.

Charlie had this to say about hosting Ricochet in this perilous moment: “The Internet was designed to be a distributed, open platform on which people could speak without permission and argue as they saw fit. Astroluxe is committed to that idea, even as others rush to abandon it. We’re proud to host Ricochet, and a host of other websites, on which a broad range of opinions are shared.”

All of which is to say this: Ricochet is here to stay. We’re not worried about being “deplatformed” or tossed off a hosting site. Our hosting partners and our members have the same unwavering bedrock commitment to liberty, freedom of speech, and spirited civil conversation.

To our fellow members, our deepest thanks. To those who have yet to join, we’re eager to have you. To the entire community, we are here to stay.

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  1. lowtech redneck Coolidge
    lowtech redneck
    @lowtech redneck

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    I just sort of figured we were too squishy to bother banning.

    It will eventually be our turn.

    • #31
  2. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
    Gazpacho Grande'
    @ChrisCampion

    I figure we’re all going to get what we deserve, good and hard.

    But that’s not necessarily bad.  It could be that we all get tacos.

    • #32
  3. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
    Gazpacho Grande'
    @ChrisCampion

    On a slightly more serious note.  OK, semi-serious.

    My company uses a third-party hosting provider, for project management software.  There’s a long list of reasons why we didn’t have internal IT support this (we are a very large company, and the group using this provider is only a part of the overall enterprise), but it made a lot of sense to do this years ago and it’s still a good model.

    This provider has been doing a lot more updating and patching around security, though, in the past year, than they ever have before.  Mandated, mandatory, DHS “stuff”, which I put into a large bucket because I’m not a technical guy.  But they are mandated to do this, because some of the providers other customers have even slight and tangential relationships with gov’t entities.

    If you fall anywhere near in that bucket, you’re now mandated.  Which means, essentially, some level of control.  This can be easily and broadly expanded, because if you’re using the service to do business, and/or you do business with the gov’t, you’ll snap into line, because revenue and you like to make your mortgage payments until that big $600 bucks lands in your checking account.  That the feds know the numbers to.

    So while I don’t think Ricochet falls into the danger zone or anything, nor should it, there’s a whole world of regulations and requirements that may or may not come down, and to assume there won’t be impacts is interesting.

    One last thing:   The Christmas Day bombing that blew up an AT&T site – one hell of a lot of traffic flowed through that location, including stuff for utilities, and the like.  To say that there now won’t be a massive spend on hardening (stifle a chuckle at “hardening”), required now by the government, would likely be an error.  I’m assuming fallout for this will go beyond small potatoes, as it impacted first responders, FirstNet, and data carried by utilities (not just for metering, either).

     

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  4. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
    Gazpacho Grande'
    @ChrisCampion

    One hopes that Ricochet doesn’t fall under the watchful eye of Californians.

    http://www.danielgreenfield.org/2021/01/californias-internet-censorship-office.html

     

    “Report misinformation,” a flier from California’s Office of Election Cybersecurity blares. Social media users are urged to report “misleading” materials to the Secretary of State’s office.

    A government office created by California Democrats is monitoring hashtags, classifying political speech it opposes by “threat level”, taking screenshots of posts, and then storing the information indefinitely, before reporting the offending speech to social media companies for censorship.

    “Election Security is our number one priority,” the Office claims. But its focus isn’t securing elections by fighting hackers or voter fraud. Instead it’s fighting “the spread of mis- and disinformation”. That’s an Orwellian way of saying that it’s fighting and censoring online speech.

    “We created the CA Office of Election Cybersecurity to keep your vote safe – so you don’t have to worry! The Office is a non-partisan government arm dedicated to ensuring your vote is safe,” Secretary of State’s office unconvincingly tweeted.

     

     

     

    • #34
  5. David March Coolidge
    David March
    @ToryWarWriter

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    David March (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Are they up for hosting Parler? That would show how dedicated they are.

    Parlers problem, is they used Amazon for a lot more than just hosting them.

    Amazon may have violated the Sherman Anti-trust Act in cancelling Parler

     

    That may well all turn out to be true.  But numerous websites knew years ago, not to trust the Big Three.  Yet Parler went and did it anyways.  Which was stupid.

    • #35
  6. Dr. Jimmy Carter Member
    Dr. Jimmy Carter
    @JimmyCarter

    EJHill (View Comment):

    I just want to say I’m totally in favor of the retro-avatar accompanying this post. Still my personal favorite. Bold and not at all guitar picky.

    • #36
  7. Charlotte Member
    Charlotte
    @Charlotte

    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):

    One hopes that Ricochet doesn’t fall under the watchful eye of Californians.

    http://www.danielgreenfield.org/2021/01/californias-internet-censorship-office.html

     

    “Report misinformation,” a flier from California’s Office of Election Cybersecurity blares. Social media users are urged to report “misleading” materials to the Secretary of State’s office.

    A government office created by California Democrats is monitoring hashtags, classifying political speech it opposes by “threat level”, taking screenshots of posts, and then storing the information indefinitely, before reporting the offending speech to social media companies for censorship.

    “Election Security is our number one priority,” the Office claims. But its focus isn’t securing elections by fighting hackers or voter fraud. Instead it’s fighting “the spread of mis- and disinformation”. That’s an Orwellian way of saying that it’s fighting and censoring online speech.

    “We created the CA Office of Election Cybersecurity to keep your vote safe – so you don’t have to worry! The Office is a non-partisan government arm dedicated to ensuring your vote is safe,” Secretary of State’s office unconvincingly tweeted.

     

     

     

    This is horrifying. And so un-American. Doesn’t anyone in California care?

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  8. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    Can somebody point me at Astroluxe?  Searches on the internet return inconclusive.  If these folk are truly conservative and will not roll to the coming government actions then I would love to move my and my customers platforms over to it.

    The only thing I can find is https://astroluxe.io/ which seems to be blocked at many of my work locations firewalls.

    • #38
  9. Sisyphus Member
    Sisyphus
    @Sisyphus

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Can somebody point me at Astroluxe? Searches on the internet return inconclusive. If these folk are truly conservative and will not roll to the coming government actions then I would love to move my and my customers platforms over to it.

    The only thing I can find is https://astroluxe.io/ which seems to be blocked at many of my work locations firewalls.

    That looks like the right link. Maybe Tor in?

    • #39
  10. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    Great news!  Thanks for the info . . .

    • #40
  11. Front Seat Cat Member
    Front Seat Cat
    @FrontSeatCat

    We are witnessing a rapid acceleration into an Orwellian world based on fear and control. People are desperate for peace and sanity, so will they sign on to any means to get there? It seems so – giving these big platforms so much power didn’t happen just yesterday.  I have yet to see the documentary The Social Dilemma, but people that have worked at these places have been sounding the alarm for years. 

    Also disrespect for law and order, censoring history or rewriting it to suit a new narrative didn’t just happen yesterday either.  The Great Reset if you look it up, covers a great deal more power and control at the hands of a few. We’ve had our issues in this country, we’re not perfect, but we witnessed a weird change in 2008 when Obama was elected. I didn’t vote for him, but I thought he would be good for the country, and especially for people of color.  The opposite happened – nothing improved, and things got more heated and divided. That made no sense, unless you read Rules for Radicals, the Sal Alinsky manual that he and Hilary lived by. Then it starts to make sense. This has nothing to do with skin color or gender.

    Many of Obama’s former aides are part of the WEF Great Reset, and now we are seeing a recreation of his administration coming back with the Biden election. This is not conspiracy – what we used to laugh about when they used terms like New World Order. This is how it’s achievable – exactly what is unfolding.  https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/

    This was planned before the pandemic, and will we ever learn the truth about how that started?  I’m glad Ricochet is here. There is no reason for it not to be, just like there is no reason for the silencing of our fellow citizens on any other forum. 

    • #41
  12. Britanicus Member
    Britanicus
    @Britanicus

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    ….

    Trump and other conservative voices have been eliminated on Twitter and Facebook…for what?

    A slight nitpick on my part that derails the conversation (sorry), but do you really think Trump is a conservative? On what grounds? Is he socially conservative? Fiscally conservative? He hasn’t shown much respect for institutions or tradition recently, at any rate.

     

    • #42
  13. Z in MT Member
    Z in MT
    @ZinMT

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    David Foster (View Comment):

    Thanks for the info. How confident are you that Astroluxe itself isn’t vulnerable to political cutoff by their upstream Internet provider(s)?…and that these IPs themselves are not vulnerable political cutoff by the even-further-upstream providers of interconnection and caching services?

    I know this question sounds paranoid, but I was recently told of an analysis by someone who is a specialist in telecom T&Cs that such things are actual possibilities.

     

    From Charlie:

    Internet providers can’t do that because they are common carriers. The data center could (it would be unprecedented but its technically possible), but I don’t worry about that that given our relationship with them. And if they did, we’d just move to a different one.

    This statement by Charlie is so naive. “Data centers could, but we have a good relationship.” Famous last words for any personal or business relationship.

    • #43
  14. Z in MT Member
    Z in MT
    @ZinMT

    @Fron Seat Cat

    I recently watched The Social Dilemma and it is not about Social media being biased and censorious, it is making the case that the social media companies are only motivated by money and not censorious enough! 

    • #44
  15. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Can somebody point me at Astroluxe? Searches on the internet return inconclusive. If these folk are truly conservative and will not roll to the coming government actions then I would love to move my and my customers platforms over to it.

    The only thing I can find is https://astroluxe.io/ which seems to be blocked at many of my work locations firewalls.

    That looks like the right link. Maybe Tor in?

    That is correct and I added it to the post as well.

    PM me and we can get you a good price on hosting through the deal we have with them.

    • #45
  16. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):
    One last thing: The Christmas Day bombing that blew up an AT&T site – one hell of a lot of traffic flowed through that location, including stuff for utilities, and the like. To say that there now won’t be a massive spend on hardening (stifle a chuckle at “hardening”), required now by the government, would likely be an error. I’m assuming fallout for this will go beyond small potatoes, as it impacted first responders, FirstNet, and data carried by utilities (not just for metering, either).

    The AT&T bombing is concerning.  I have been around the internet for quite a while.  It was designed to distributed and self healing.  For that much data to flow through Nashville and be knocked off line by a single bombing sort of indicates a forcing of data channels for other means. Nashville going off line should have maybe had an effect on the local area but should not have knocked down significant functionality in KY, IN, TN, GA, NC, SC, AL.  

    Back when we (the industry) was designing this stuff the key was distributed networks with lots of routes, data centers and syncs.  Mainframes were dead because it meant choke points and single points of failure.  We wanted DISTRIBUTED computing.  For some reason we have decided to go back to the centralized model with all the issues were designed against in the first place.

    • #46
  17. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Can somebody point me at Astroluxe? Searches on the internet return inconclusive. If these folk are truly conservative and will not roll to the coming government actions then I would love to move my and my customers platforms over to it.

    The only thing I can find is https://astroluxe.io/ which seems to be blocked at many of my work locations firewalls.

    That looks like the right link. Maybe Tor in?

    Not behind company firewalls.  

    • #47
  18. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    Britanicus (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    ….

    Trump and other conservative voices have been eliminated on Twitter and Facebook…for what?

    A slight nitpick on my part that derails the conversation (sorry), but do you really think Trump is a conservative? On what grounds? Is he socially conservative? Fiscally conservative? He hasn’t shown much respect for institutions or tradition recently, at any rate.

     

    He is not a socialist and he loves America.  By today standards that makes him a Conservative.  
    Not that I agree much.

    • #48
  19. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    Z in MT (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    David Foster (View Comment):

    Thanks for the info. How confident are you that Astroluxe itself isn’t vulnerable to political cutoff by their upstream Internet provider(s)?…and that these IPs themselves are not vulnerable political cutoff by the even-further-upstream providers of interconnection and caching services?

    I know this question sounds paranoid, but I was recently told of an analysis by someone who is a specialist in telecom T&Cs that such things are actual possibilities.

     

    From Charlie:

    Internet providers can’t do that because they are common carriers. The data center could (it would be unprecedented but its technically possible), but I don’t worry about that that given our relationship with them. And if they did, we’d just move to a different one.

    This statement by Charlie is so naive. “Data centers could, but we have a good relationship.” Famous last words for any personal or business relationship.

    I suspect the Parler folk felt the same.  

    • #49
  20. Brian Watt Inactive
    Brian Watt
    @BrianWatt

    Britanicus (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    ….

    Trump and other conservative voices have been eliminated on Twitter and Facebook…for what?

    A slight nitpick on my part that derails the conversation (sorry), but do you really think Trump is a conservative? On what grounds? Is he socially conservative? Fiscally conservative? He hasn’t shown much respect for institutions or tradition recently, at any rate.

    Compared to whom? Mitt Romney? John McCain? George W. Bush? 

    Trump promoted one the healthiest and most robust economies since Reagan putting millions back to work and increasing employment across all demographic sectors. Eliminated burdensome regulations. Has been the most pro-life president in the history of the republic. Has rebuilt the military. Brokered peace accords in the Middle East. Defeated ISIS at minimal cost. Increased sanctions on Russia. Put leverage on China to trade more fairly and blocked certain Chinese companies from continuing to compete in America with stolen IP from American companies..

    Compared to other conservatives who talk the talk but can’t walk the walk; I’d say he did surprisingly well. As for showing respect for certain institutions and traditions, you’d have to be more specific. He definitely expanded the base of the GOP especially with Blacks and Hispanics.

    Of course, there are certain institutions that sullied their own reputations before Trump was even sworn in – the DOJ, the FBI, the EPA, the FDA, the State Dept., the news media including several ostensibly conservative commentators — how much time do you have?

    • #50
  21. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    Stad (View Comment):

    Great news! Thanks for the info . . .

    Just shows the sort of thing one misses when one rarely surfaces all the way up to the Main Feed?

    • #51
  22. Charlie Admin
    Charlie
    @charlescwcooke

    David Foster (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    Internet providers can’t do that because they are common carriers

    Indeed they are…but so are airlines, some of which have apparently been using the reason ‘safety’ for denying passage to at least some attendees of the Trump rally. I don’t know that I’d count on the likely appointees of a Biden administration to enforce a pure understanding of common carrier law too closely.

    Note also that ISPs *have* terminated customers for spamming, apparently without running afoul of common carrier laws.

    Hi David. Charlie here.  You’re right of course. ISPs aren’t currently common carriers; those rules have bounced back and forth depending on the FCC’s makeup. ISPs may go back to being common carriers under Biden, if he uses Title II, but even then the details would have to be determined. The internet providers I was referring to are those that affect hosting and core infrastructure: the data center and the multiple peering networks that connect it to the broader internet, the domain registry, the institution(s) that allocate IPs, etc. Under a combination of government and contractual rules, those can’t discriminate based on viewpoint. These are the variables that we can control/rely on, and we have mitigation plans in place should any of this change.  Your ISP could, of course, cut out Ricochet. But we have no control over that, and it wouldn’t be contingent upon where it was hosted anyhow

    • #52
  23. MarciN Member
    MarciN
    @MarciN

    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):

    One hopes that Ricochet doesn’t fall under the watchful eye of Californians.

    http://www.danielgreenfield.org/2021/01/californias-internet-censorship-office.html

     

    “Report misinformation,” a flier from California’s Office of Election Cybersecurity blares. Social media users are urged to report “misleading” materials to the Secretary of State’s office.

    A government office created by California Democrats is monitoring hashtags, classifying political speech it opposes by “threat level”, taking screenshots of posts, and then storing the information indefinitely, before reporting the offending speech to social media companies for censorship.

    “Election Security is our number one priority,” the Office claims. But its focus isn’t securing elections by fighting hackers or voter fraud. Instead it’s fighting “the spread of mis- and disinformation”. That’s an Orwellian way of saying that it’s fighting and censoring online speech.

    “We created the CA Office of Election Cybersecurity to keep your vote safe – so you don’t have to worry! The Office is a non-partisan government arm dedicated to ensuring your vote is safe,” Secretary of State’s office unconvincingly tweeted.

     

     

     

    how interesting the timing is, given the movement to recall the present governor

    • #53
  24. RushBabe49 Thatcher
    RushBabe49
    @RushBabe49

    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):

    One hopes that Ricochet doesn’t fall under the watchful eye of Californians.

    http://www.danielgreenfield.org/2021/01/californias-internet-censorship-office.html

     

    “Report misinformation,” a flier from California’s Office of Election Cybersecurity blares. Social media users are urged to report “misleading” materials to the Secretary of State’s office.

    A government office created by California Democrats is monitoring hashtags, classifying political speech it opposes by “threat level”, taking screenshots of posts, and then storing the information indefinitely, before reporting the offending speech to social media companies for censorship.

    “Election Security is our number one priority,” the Office claims. But its focus isn’t securing elections by fighting hackers or voter fraud. Instead it’s fighting “the spread of mis- and disinformation”. That’s an Orwellian way of saying that it’s fighting and censoring online speech.

    “We created the CA Office of Election Cybersecurity to keep your vote safe – so you don’t have to worry! The Office is a non-partisan government arm dedicated to ensuring your vote is safe,” Secretary of State’s office unconvincingly tweeted.

    Why couldn’t all conservatives report every mainstream media election story as misinformation?  Let the Censorship Office investigate every story in the Left media?  They might find nothing wrong, but it would take effort anyway.  How about a DDOS attack on their office?

     

     

     

    • #54
  25. RushBabe49 Thatcher
    RushBabe49
    @RushBabe49

    https://rushbabe49.com/2021/01/14/are-we-and-they-blind-taking-media-censorship-to-the-next-step/

     

    • #55
  26. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    David March (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Are they up for hosting Parler? That would show how dedicated they are.

    Parlers problem, is they used Amazon for a lot more than just hosting them.

    Amazon may have violated the Sherman Anti-trust Act in cancelling Parler

    Which will be enforced by… Attorney General Merrick Garland?

    I shouldn’t laugh this hard before lunch.

    • #56
  27. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):

    I figure we’re all going to get what we deserve, good and hard.

    But that’s not necessarily bad. It could be that we all get tacos.

     

    I’m pretty sure that not ALL of us deserve tacos.

    • #57
  28. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Dr. Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    I just want to say I’m totally in favor of the retro-avatar accompanying this post. Still my personal favorite. Bold and not at all guitar picky.

    Charles Cooke (View Comment):

    David Foster (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    Internet providers can’t do that because they are common carriers

    Indeed they are…but so are airlines, some of which have apparently been using the reason ‘safety’ for denying passage to at least some attendees of the Trump rally. I don’t know that I’d count on the likely appointees of a Biden administration to enforce a pure understanding of common carrier law too closely.

    Note also that ISPs *have* terminated customers for spamming, apparently without running afoul of common carrier laws.

    Hi David. Charlie here. You’re right of course. ISPs aren’t currently common carriers; those rules have bounced back and forth depending on the FCC’s makeup. ISPs may go back to being common carriers under Biden, if he uses Title II, but even then the details would have to be determined. The internet providers I was referring to are those that affect hosting and core infrastructure: the data center and the multiple peering networks that connect it to the broader internet, the domain registry, the institution(s) that allocate IPs, etc. Under a combination of government and contractual rules, those can’t discriminate based on viewpoint. These are the variables that we can control/rely on, and we have mitigation plans in place should any of this change. Your ISP could, of course, cut out Ricochet. But we have no control over that, and it wouldn’t be contingent upon where it was hosted anyhow

    I think the easiest hole in this argument is that they can say “Oh we didn’t shut them down because of viewpoint.  It’s about THREAT!  And DANGER! And VIOLENCE!”

     

    • #58
  29. TCNYMEX Member
    TCNYMEX
    @TCNYMEX

    If t-mobile, verizon, and AT&t wireless were to eliminate the “ricochet.com” entry in their DNS , your web browser wouldn’t recognize ricochet.com

    …. how many folks would be savvy enough to know that they could use openDNS in their cell phones, and how many would be savvy enough to reprogram their home cable routers to use openDNS… like the man said, crippling any website would be trivial

     

     

    • #59
  30. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    You could also just get the IP numbers once, and then use those rather than the domain name.

    If your ISP blocks the direct IP too, then you’d need to use a VPN to get around it.  Until they block the VPN too…

    • #60
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