Rep. Jim Jordan Seeks to Oust Rep. Liz Cheney from Leadership

 

According to this Politico article, Republican Rep. Jim Jordan plans to move to oust Rep. Liz Cheney from her position as the House Republican Conference Chair. Cheney previously announced her support for the impeachment of President Trump. According to the same article, the top two Republicans in the House — Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and Minority Whip Steve Scalise — oppose impeachment.

This strikes me as a proper response to Cheney’s action. As I have posted previously, I find the calls for Trump’s impeachment to be a deranged overreaction. It is very disappointing to see some erstwhile conservatives and Republicans supporting such an action.

Rep. Cheney is entitled to her opinion and may vote as she sees fit. I think that it is quite proper for her House colleagues to remove her from a leadership position, if they disagree strongly with her on such an important issue.

I do expect that any Republican Congressmen or Senators who support impeachment to face a serious primary challenge in their next election.  Rightfully so, in my view.

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Trump and Trumpism must be defeated.

    Can you identify a coalition that can deliver more than 75 million votes? More than 80 million votes?? If you took all the people that have ever been on a Bulwark cruise and add in the all the followers of the Lincoln Project, you would still need 80 million votes to win an election. If you want to fight for principles and lose elections, join me at the Libertarian Party ;)

    Gary acts like the Republican Party is “dirty water” that needs to be poured through a filter, but then he wants to save the “crud” left in the filter as the True Republicans, rather than the water that passes through.

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  2. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Liz Cheney’s personal preference to impeach Trump isn’t the issue. That she voiced her opinion, while holding the position of Republican Conference Chairwoman and the #3 ranking Republican in the House, without consulting the Republican Conference is.

    I don’t really care if she doesn’t like Donald Trump or believes he actually incited a riot – which, as far as I’m concerned is a ridiculous assertion based on the actual text of Trump’s speech, the timeline of events, the evidence of Antifa agent provocateurs who were actually engaged in violence and vandalism and responsible in large part for the incitement. As the 3rd ranking Republican in the House, she was obligated to consult with her own damn party before shooting her mouth off.

    I also believe she let her own personal animus toward the President overshadow what is actually best for the country. My hope is that she loses her leadership position and also gets primaried in Wyoming when she’s up for re-election too long from now. Based on her position she may have just killed any chance in any future Republican administration – that is if the GOP can actually win another Presidential election – but they definitely won’t win one as long as Liz Cheney has any position of influence in the party.

    From Newsmax this morning:

    Barely two hours after House Republican Conference Chairwoman Liz Cheney made headlines Tuesday night by announcing her support for impeaching President Donald Trump, a freshman House member promptly called on the Wyoming lawmaker to resign her leadership position.

    “When Rep. Cheney came out for impeachment today, she failed to consult with the Conference, failed to abide by the spirit of the rules of the Republican Conference, and ignored the preferences of Republican voters,” read a terse statement issued by Montana Rep. Matt Rosendale.

    The freshman Republican charged that Cheney, No. 3 in the House GOP hierarchy, “is weakening our conference at a key moment for personal political gain and is unfit to lead.”

    “She must step down as Conference Chair,” the Montanan concluded.

    Probably need to keep an eye on the freshman Congressman from Montana. He may have a future.

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  3. DJ EJ Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Trump and Trumpism must be defeated.

    Can you identify a coalition that can deliver more than 75 million votes? More than 80 million votes?? If you took all the people that have ever been on a Bulwark cruise and add in the all the followers of the Lincoln Project, you would still need 80 million votes to win an election. If you want to fight for principles and lose elections, join me at the Libertarian Party ;)

    Gary acts like the Republican Party is “dirty water” that needs to be poured through a filter, but then he wants to save the “crud” left in the filter as the True Republicans, rather than the water that passes through.

    Never Trumpers have no share in and can claim no credit for expanding the Republican coalition in this past election, i.e. the highest minority votes for Republicans since 1960. Trump did that. He inspired millions of African Americans and Hispanics to see the Republican Party as a viable alternative to the decades and decades of voting for the Democrats and getting the same failed policies. The walk away movement, taking the red pill, the rise of Candice Owens, Kim Klacik, and so many other black Republicans all happened during and because of Trump’s outreach and legislation record on their behalf. What the Republican Party does to maintain and expand this new voter base and challenge Democrat control on the local level will be key to the party’s future. Never Trumpers are welcome to join us in this endeavor, but they (a single digit percentage of the party) get 0% of the credit and have yet to offer any ideas or innovative ways to build upon the foundation that Trump has established.

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  4. Gary Robbins Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    This is a battle for the soul of the Republican Party.

     

    For once we agree. And you will be defeated.

    I disagree with both of you.

    The best path forward is reconciliation within the GOP. I’d like to see both the pro-Trump and anti-Trump folks move forward together, without engaging in further conflict that will hurt the party, and likely result in Dem victories that will leave all of us unhappy.

    Senator Tom Cotton supports most of Trump’s policy positions, but doesn’t go along with Trump’s personality “quirks.”  I could easily vote for Tom Cotton.  You would get Trump’s policies but not Trump himself.  Deal?

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  5. GFHandle Member
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    Looking at the events since the certification of EC votes? Looking back and seeing the blatantly improper legal claims when it comes to EC vote counting, then the chaos, violence, and death of Jan. 6th- and impeachment is the thing that strikes you as ludicrous?

    Not sure what “events” you mean here. I think Trump acted like an idiot post election since he did not put ALL his energy into winning GA and saving the Senate, the only thing that mattered after the election. But anything rising to the level of a “high crime and misdemeanor” is nowhere to be seen. Still, “impeachment” has come to have about as much meaning as “racism,” so you may be right. NOTHING is ludicrous today.

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  6. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    This is a battle for the soul of the Republican Party.

     

    For once we agree. And you will be defeated.

    I disagree with both of you.

    The best path forward is reconciliation within the GOP. I’d like to see both the pro-Trump and anti-Trump folks move forward together, without engaging in further conflict that will hurt the party, and likely result in Dem victories that will leave all of us unhappy.

    Senator Tom Cotton supports most of Trump’s policy positions, but doesn’t go along with Trump’s personality “quirks.” I could easily vote for Tom Cotton. You would get Trump’s policies but not Trump himself. Deal?

    Cotton is done. He will never attain higher office than Senator…unless he changes his party affiliation. 70+ million won’t forget.

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  7. Bob Thompson Member
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    And anyway, why is supporting Trump the measure of what it means to oppose the radical Left? Can someone not oppose both? ‘Cuz if not, I’m going to need to call an exorcist, or something.

    Of course, you can oppose both. But when you do that you are also in opposition to those who support President Trump’s administration. If, in fact, you oppose Trump’s administration, are we to think you are a disloyal American. I think not. But if you start supporting the CCP as it appears some Democrats might be doing based on behavior, I might rethink that.

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  8. Gary Robbins Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary still thinks members of the House are subject to recall?

    And that Cheney and Jordan are in some kind of competitive race, i.e. election?

    In Arizona they sure are.  Before Arizona was admitted as a state in 1912, Arizona was going to be the 47th state and New Mexico would be the 48th state.  However, President Taft disagreed with the provision in our Constitution that allowed for the recall of Judges and he vetoed our admission.  Arizona then took out the offending provision and President Taft signed our admission on February 14, [Edit. 1912 2012], making us the “Valentine State.”  At the November 2012 election, we added the recall of judges as part of our constitution.

    Cheney is the Republican House Conference Chair.  I assume that she can be voted out of her position.

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  9. Hoyacon Member
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    This is a battle for the soul of the Republican Party.

     

    For once we agree. And you will be defeated.

    I disagree with both of you.

    The best path forward is reconciliation within the GOP. I’d like to see both the pro-Trump and anti-Trump folks move forward together, without engaging in further conflict that will hurt the party, and likely result in Dem victories that will leave all of us unhappy.

    Senator Tom Cotton supports most of Trump’s policy positions, but doesn’t go along with Trump’s personality “quirks.” I could easily vote for Tom Cotton. You would get Trump’s policies but not Trump himself. Deal?

    Cotton is done. He will never attain higher office than Senator…unless he changes his party affiliation. 70+ million won’t forget.

    I don’t get this.

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  10. Marythefifth Inactive
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    Votes? Elections? Seriously? Even if the Electoral College remains, what difference at this point does it make? 

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  11. Bob Thompson Member
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Liz Cheney’s personal preference to impeach Trump isn’t the issue. That she voiced her opinion, while holding the position of Republican Conference Chairwoman and the #3 ranking Republican in the House, without consulting the Republican Conference is.

    Cheney appears not to understand well the leadership responsibilities in a peer relationship position, maybe too inexperienced, and her foreign policy positions don’t fit well with the President she’s willing to impeach. She needs to be out of the House minority leadership.

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  12. MarciN Member
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    I am grateful for so many things that Donald Trump did while in office. For example, his quickly sizing up the security threat the Huawei 5G network presented and his working to get American technology out in front of it, which we did, thanks to his quick response to this challenge: 

    I want to thank you all for being here to discuss a critical issue for our country’s future: winning the race to be the world’s leading provider of 5G cellular communications networks.  It’s all about 5G now.  We were at 4G, and everybody was saying, “We have to get 4G.”  And then they said, before that, “We have to get 3G.”  And now we have to get 5G, and 5G is a big deal.  And that’s going to be there for a while.  And I guess, at some point, we’ll be talking to you about number 6.  What do you think?  (Laughter.)  Do you think that’s true, Ajit?

    But, right now, we want to be the leader in this.  We’re the leader in almost everything else.

    And we’re grateful to be joined by FCC Chairman Ajit Pai, who’s been doing a fantastic job. . . . 

    Secure 5G networks will absolutely be a vital link to America’s prosperity and national security in the 21st century.
    5G will be as much as 100 times faster than the current 4G cellular networks.  It will transform the way our citizens work, learn, communicate, and travel.  It will make American farms more productive, American manufacturing more competitive, and American healthcare better and more accessible.  Basically, it covers almost everything, when you get right down to it.  Pretty amazing.

    And just as 4G networks paved the way for smartphones and all of the exciting breakthroughs — they made possible so many things — this will be more secure and resilient.  5G networks will also create astonishing and really thrilling new opportunities for our people — opportunities that we’ve never even thought we had a possibility of looking at.

    We cannot allow any other country to out-compete the United States in this powerful industry of the future.  We are leading by so much in so many different industries of that type, and we just can’t let that happen.  The race to 5G is a race America must win, and it’s a race, frankly, that our great companies are now involved in.  We’ve given them the incentive they need.  It’s a race that we will win.

    In the United States, our approach is private-sector driven and private-sector led.  The government doesn’t have to spend lots of money.  According to some estimates, the wireless industry plans to invest $275 billion in 5G networks, creating 3 million American jobs quickly — very quickly — and adding $500 billion to our economy.

    I don’t see real leadership like this among the Trump-obsessed Republicans. I will not be voting for any of them in the future. 

     

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  13. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    This is a battle for the soul of the Republican Party.

     

    For once we agree. And you will be defeated.

    I disagree with both of you.

    The best path forward is reconciliation within the GOP. I’d like to see both the pro-Trump and anti-Trump folks move forward together, without engaging in further conflict that will hurt the party, and likely result in Dem victories that will leave all of us unhappy.

    Senator Tom Cotton supports most of Trump’s policy positions, but doesn’t go along with Trump’s personality “quirks.” I could easily vote for Tom Cotton. You would get Trump’s policies but not Trump himself. Deal?

    Cotton is done. He will never attain higher office than Senator…unless he changes his party affiliation. 70+ million won’t forget.

    I don’t get this.

    Cotton danced on a tightrope trying appease both factions of the GOP – said he wouldn’t raise any objections to any of the election fraud CLEARLY evident in any of the contested states during the EC session in Congress but supported a commission to study and audit the election results after the Biden inauguration – like that was going to happen. Not exactly a display of courage. A display of calculated appeasement. This actually has nothing to do with Trump. It was a revelation of his personal character. His strident rhetoric prior to this move was refreshing to hear. But when the going got rough… It also reminded me of George H.W. Bush constantly and sternly pronouncing: “Read my lips. No new taxes!” Only to cave. Which is why he was a one-term POTUS.

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  14. Hoyacon Member
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    This is a battle for the soul of the Republican Party.

     

    For once we agree. And you will be defeated.

    I disagree with both of you.

    The best path forward is reconciliation within the GOP. I’d like to see both the pro-Trump and anti-Trump folks move forward together, without engaging in further conflict that will hurt the party, and likely result in Dem victories that will leave all of us unhappy.

    Senator Tom Cotton supports most of Trump’s policy positions, but doesn’t go along with Trump’s personality “quirks.” I could easily vote for Tom Cotton. You would get Trump’s policies but not Trump himself. Deal?

    Cotton is done. He will never attain higher office than Senator…unless he changes his party affiliation. 70+ million won’t forget.

    I don’t get this.

    Cotton danced on a tightrope trying appease both factions of the GOP – said he wouldn’t raise any objections to any of the election fraud CLEARLY evident in any of the contested states during the EC session in Congress but supported a commission to study and audit the election results after the Biden inauguration – like that was going to happen. Not exactly a display of courage. A display of calculated appeasement. This actually has nothing to do with Trump. It was a revelation of his personal character. His strident rhetoric prior to this move was refreshing to hear. But when the going got rough… It also reminded me of George H.W. Bush constantly and sternly pronouncing: “Read my lips. No new taxes!” Only to cave. Which is why he was a one-term POTUS.

    Fine.  I’m just not into ideological purity tests, particularly with people we need who have proven to be stand-up far more often than not.  I don’t see Cotton as a presidential contender, but I don’t want him marginalized either.

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  15. Bob Thompson Member
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    It was a revelation of his personal character. His strident rhetoric prior to this move was refreshing to hear. But when the going got rough…

    This is the true danger to President Trump now as these Congress critters weigh the effects of their actions on their political careers. It is a shame that they are allowed to have lifetime careers in the Congress. We get bad effects all over the place. We are now beginning the habit of Senators becoming POTUS.

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  16. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    This is a battle for the soul of the Republican Party.

    For once we agree. And you will be defeated.

    I disagree with both of you.

    The best path forward is reconciliation within the GOP. I’d like to see both the pro-Trump and anti-Trump folks move forward together, without engaging in further conflict that will hurt the party, and likely result in Dem victories that will leave all of us unhappy.

    Senator Tom Cotton supports most of Trump’s policy positions, but doesn’t go along with Trump’s personality “quirks.” I could easily vote for Tom Cotton. You would get Trump’s policies but not Trump himself. Deal?

    Cotton is done. He will never attain higher office than Senator…unless he changes his party affiliation. 70+ million won’t forget.

    I don’t get this.

    Cotton danced on a tightrope trying appease both factions of the GOP – said he wouldn’t raise any objections to any of the election fraud CLEARLY evident in any of the contested states during the EC session in Congress but supported a commission to study and audit the election results after the Biden inauguration – like that was going to happen. Not exactly a display of courage. A display of calculated appeasement. This actually has nothing to do with Trump. It was a revelation of his personal character. His strident rhetoric prior to this move was refreshing to hear. But when the going got rough… It also reminded me of George H.W. Bush constantly and sternly pronouncing: “Read my lips. No new taxes!” Only to cave. Which is why he was a one-term POTUS.

    Fine. I’m just not into ideological purity tests, particularly with people we need who have proven to be stand-up far more often than not. I don’t see Cotton as a presidential contender, but I don’t want him marginalized either.

    Not advocating marginalizing him. Just pointing out that he probably ruined his chances to run for President achieve the Presidency.

    It seems to me that the majority of those who voted for Trump are keeping their eyes on Ron DeSantis and Kristi Noem – because they’re more steadfast and reliable in their conservatism and policy promises and now have successful records as chief executives of their states. I personally like DeSantis’ unapologetic tenacity. It reminds me of someone.

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  17. MarciN Member
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    It is very difficult to abandon a principle I have lived by, which is that any Republican is better than any Democrat. The Republicans’ inability to see that fact these past two months has made me think that it’s not a fact at all and that if they don’t see a difference, then there probably isn’t one. I’ve been fooling myself. No point in voting for either party. They must be the same.

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  18. WillowSpring Member
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    Cotton danced on a tightrope trying appease both factions of the GOP – said he wouldn’t raise any objections to any of the election fraud CLEARLY evident in any of the contested states during the EC session in Congress but supported a commission to study and audit the election results after the Biden inauguration – like that was going to happen. Not exactly a display of courage. A display of calculated appeasement. This actually has nothing to do with Trump. It was a revelation of his personal character. His strident rhetoric prior to this move was refreshing to hear. But when the going got rough…

    I felt this way until I heard the latest episode of the podcast “Hold these Truths” by Dan Crenshaw.  He laid out a very compelling case that the objections during the counting was both against the Constitution and did not follow the law written in the late 1800s.  Unfortunately, the only option was a commission.  We have been let down by the courts, state officers and changes in voting rules using the excuse of Covid.

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  19. Bob Thompson Member
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    This is a battle for the soul of the Republican Party.

     

    For once we agree. And you will be defeated.

    I disagree with both of you.

    The best path forward is reconciliation within the GOP. I’d like to see both the pro-Trump and anti-Trump folks move forward together, without engaging in further conflict that will hurt the party, and likely result in Dem victories that will leave all of us unhappy.

    Senator Tom Cotton supports most of Trump’s policy positions, but doesn’t go along with Trump’s personality “quirks.” I could easily vote for Tom Cotton. You would get Trump’s policies but not Trump himself. Deal?

    Cotton is done. He will never attain higher office than Senator…unless he changes his party affiliation. 70+ million won’t forget.

    I don’t get this.

    Cotton danced on a tightrope trying appease both factions of the GOP – said he wouldn’t raise any objections to any of the election fraud CLEARLY evident in any of the contested states during the EC session in Congress but supported a commission to study and audit the election results after the Biden inauguration – like that was going to happen. Not exactly a display of courage. A display of calculated appeasement. This actually has nothing to do with Trump. It was a revelation of his personal character. His strident rhetoric prior to this move was refreshing to hear. But when the going got rough… It also reminded me of George H.W. Bush constantly and sternly pronouncing: “Read my lips. No new taxes!” Only to cave. Which is why he was a one-term POTUS.

    Fine. I’m just not into ideological purity tests, particularly with people we need who have proven to be stand-up far more often than not. I don’t see Cotton as a presidential contender, but I don’t want him marginalized either.

    Not advocating marginalizing him. Just pointing out that he probably ruined his chances to run for President.

    It seems to me that the majority of those who voted for Trump are keeping their eyes on Ron DeSantis and Kristi Noem – because they’re more steadfast and reliable in their conservatism and policy promises and now have successful records as chief executives of their states. I personally like DeSantis’ unapologetic tenacity. It reminds me of someone.

    DeSantis has demonstrated what I consider good signs for presidential material. Avoiding completely exactly what has hurt Cotton. The mindset in the Congress can overtake and wipe out the traits that voters admired. DeSantis didn’t let that happen.

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  20. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The notion of a Cheney vs. Jordan fight would be most clarifying.

    The three primary supporters of the events last Wednesday were Alabama Representative Mo Brooks, and Arizona Representatives Andy Biggs and Paul Gosar.

    Arizona has a robust constitutional provision for recall. In 2011, Russell Pearce, the President of the State Senate, was recalled over SB 1070. Pearce’s legislative district was in the same area as Representative Biggs congressional district. Brilliantly, the recall organizers had a conservative Republican run against Pearce, and the combined votes of disaffected Republicans and the smattering of Democrats resulted in Pearce’s defeat. Pearce’s attempted comeback the next election was unsuccessful.

    I predict that both Biggs and Gosar will be facing recall elections. There is a Republican who could beat Biggs. Former Senator Jeff Flake represented Biggs’ congressional district for 12 years, before running for the Senate. Flake is a fiscal conservative, but like John McCain and Mitt Romney is hostile to Trump and Trumpism.

    Paul Gosar used to be my Congressman. I have voted for him. I have walked a precinct for him. He now has been redistributed to an adjacent congressional district. I look forward to working against Gosar.

    The recall elections against Biggs and Gosar will be as clarifying as the Cheney v. Jordan race.

    I think they would be very clarifying. Your Vichy GOP will hold its next convention in a phone booth.

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  21. Brian Watt Inactive
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    WillowSpring (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    Cotton danced on a tightrope trying appease both factions of the GOP – said he wouldn’t raise any objections to any of the election fraud CLEARLY evident in any of the contested states during the EC session in Congress but supported a commission to study and audit the election results after the Biden inauguration – like that was going to happen. Not exactly a display of courage. A display of calculated appeasement. This actually has nothing to do with Trump. It was a revelation of his personal character. His strident rhetoric prior to this move was refreshing to hear. But when the going got rough…

    I felt this way until I heard the latest episode of the podcast “Hold these Truths” by Dan Crenshaw. He laid out a very compelling case that the objections during the counting was both against the Constitution and did not follow the law written in the late 1800s. Unfortunately, the only option was a commission. We have been let down by the courts, state officers and changes in voting rules using the excuse of Covid.

    This is not accurate (bold type above). I don’t think you meant to say something that was untrue but raising objections during the Electoral College session is essentially done at every EC session and in 2016 the number of states objected to by the Democrats exceeded the number of states that Republicans objected to in 2020. There is absolutely nothing unconstitutional about that. 

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  22. MDHahn Coolidge
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    Cheney is showing leadership by standing up for her principles. Good for her. She did not spread the lie about stolen elections and rightly places blame at Trump’s feet for what happened on 1/6. I will gladly take her side in whatever fights come next. It’s a shame that the GOP is tearing itself apart over Trump’s fragile ego.

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  23. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    WI Con (View Comment):

    I admire the members of ‘The Freedom Caucus’ and wonder why they don’t have more members (think it had to do more with the Tea Party purge/defeat) and if the GOP split is imminent, they could be cutting for a new tree/or starter yeast of a replacement or 3rd party.

    The talk of Joe Manchin never having as much power as he does right now, that could go for The Freedom Caucus guys as well.

    They’ve had to kiss Murkowski and Collins butts for years, let Cruz, Hawley and Rand Paul start their own voting block.

    Mo Brooks should have been the Alabama Senator the last four years.  He wanted to run but McConnell blocked him from fund raising, resulting in the fiasco that resulted in Jones being elected.  The corrupt AG, who had been pursuing corruption charges against the corrupt Governor, was appointed to the Senate seat in a deal that ended the corruption investigation of the Governor.  When the next election came along, with no Brooks in the primary, the corrupt ex-AG , Strange, lost to Roy Moore who is an odd figure in Alabama politics. A fierce smear campaign was run against Moore and Jones was elected.  McConnell was responsible for losing that seat. Typically, Gary misses the point about Mo Brooks.

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  24. Jager Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary still thinks members of the House are subject to recall?

    And that Cheney and Jordan are in some kind of competitive race, i.e. election?

    In Arizona they sure are. Before Arizona was admitted as a state in 1912, Arizona was going to be the 47th state and New Mexico would be the 48th state. However, President Taft disagreed with the provision in our Constitution that allowed for the recall of Judges and he vetoed our admission. Arizona then took out the offending provision and President Taft signed our admission on February 14, 2012, making us the “Valentine State.” At the November 2012 election, we added the recall of judges as part of our constitution.

    Cheney is the Republican House Conference Chair. I assume that she can be voted out of her position.

    No, no they are not subject to recall. Your state Constitution does not over rule the Federal Constitution. There is no provision for recall in the US Constitution and thus no member of the House or Senate has ever been recalled. 

    Might be a good idea to allow it, but we would have to amend the US Constitution, not the Arizona Constitution. 

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  25. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The notion of a Cheney vs. Jordan fight would be most clarifying.

    The three primary supporters of the events last Wednesday were Alabama Representative Mo Brooks, and Arizona Representatives Andy Biggs and Paul Gosar.

    Arizona has a robust constitutional provision for recall. In 2011, Russell Pearce, the President of the State Senate, was recalled over SB 1070. Pearce’s legislative district was in the same area as Representative Biggs congressional district. Brilliantly, the recall organizers had a conservative Republican run against Pearce, and the combined votes of disaffected Republicans and the smattering of Democrats resulted in Pearce’s defeat. Pearce’s attempted comeback the next election was unsuccessful.

    I predict that both Biggs and Gosar will be facing recall elections. There is a Republican who could beat Biggs. Former Senator Jeff Flake represented Biggs’ congressional district for 12 years, before running for the Senate. Flake is a fiscal conservative, but like John McCain and Mitt Romney is hostile to Trump and Trumpism.

    Paul Gosar used to be my Congressman. I have voted for him. I have walked a precinct for him. He now has been redistributed to an adjacent congressional district. I look forward to working against Gosar.

    The recall elections against Biggs and Gosar will be as clarifying as the Cheney v. Jordan race.

    Gary why are you not working toward defeating the (D) in 2022.

    Since the election, I have only contributed to Republicans, starting the Loeffler and Purdue, and now Cheney and the Anti-Trump Republicans.

    [Redacted]

    If you would stop for a second, you would see that I am advocating replacing Biggs and Gosar with Non-Trump Republicans, not Democrats. Their districts are R+15 and R+21.

    Do you ever bother to self analyze your strategy to see what will win (R) seats or is all vindictive uselessness all the time.

    Trump and Trumpism must be defeated. This is a battle for the soul of the Republican Party.

    I see the heavy hand of then administrators who seem bent on the purging of any member that disagrees with them.

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  26. Brian Watt Inactive
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    MDHahn (View Comment):

    Cheney is showing leadership by standing up for her principles. Good for her. She did not spread the lie about stolen elections and rightly places blame at Trump’s feet for what happened on 1/6. I will gladly take her side in whatever fights come next. It’s a shame that the GOP is tearing itself apart over Trump’s fragile ego.

    Not sure what Trump’s fragile ego has to do with mountains of evidence and thousands of sworn affidavits of election fraud that were never examined in a court of law. You may be of the belief that Trump has some mystical God-like power to rob his followers of any critical thinking skills and fundamentally transform them into a mindless army of zombies but that – and I’m just spitballing here – may say more about you than those who have legitimate questions about unlawful and illegitimate occurrences and statistical impossible anomalies during the election.

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  27. Gary Robbins Member
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

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    This is a battle for the soul of the Republican Party.

     

    For once we agree. And you will be defeated.

    I disagree with both of you.

    The best path forward is reconciliation within the GOP. I’d like to see both the pro-Trump and anti-Trump folks move forward together, without engaging in further conflict that will hurt the party, and likely result in Dem victories that will leave all of us unhappy.

    Senator Tom Cotton supports most of Trump’s policy positions, but doesn’t go along with Trump’s personality “quirks.” I could easily vote for Tom Cotton. You would get Trump’s policies but not Trump himself. Deal?

    Cotton is done. He will never attain higher office than Senator…unless he changes his party affiliation. 70+ million won’t forget.

    Cotton is a Registered Republican, a Senator from Arkansas.

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  28. EDISONPARKS Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    The notion of a Cheney vs. Jordan fight would be most clarifying.

    The three primary supporters of the events last Wednesday were Alabama Representative Mo Brooks, and Arizona Representatives Andy Biggs and Paul Gosar.

    Arizona has a robust constitutional provision for recall. In 2011, Russell Pearce, the President of the State Senate, was recalled over SB 1070. Pearce’s legislative district was in the same area as Representative Biggs congressional district. Brilliantly, the recall organizers had a conservative Republican run against Pearce, and the combined votes of disaffected Republicans and the smattering of Democrats resulted in Pearce’s defeat. Pearce’s attempted comeback the next election was unsuccessful.

    I predict that both Biggs and Gosar will be facing recall elections. There is a Republican who could beat Biggs. Former Senator Jeff Flake represented Biggs’ congressional district for 12 years, before running for the Senate. Flake is a fiscal conservative, but like John McCain and Mitt Romney is hostile to Trump and Trumpism.

    Paul Gosar used to be my Congressman. I have voted for him. I have walked a precinct for him. He now has been redistributed to an adjacent congressional district. I look forward to working against Gosar.

    The recall elections against Biggs and Gosar will be as clarifying as the Cheney v. Jordan race.

    Gary why are you not working toward defeating the (D) in 2022.

    Since the election, I have only contributed to Republicans, starting the Loeffler and Purdue, and now Cheney and the Anti-Trump Republicans.

    [Redacted]

    If you would stop for a second, you would see that I am advocating replacing Biggs and Gosar with Non-Trump Republicans, not Democrats. Their districts are R+15 and R+21.

    Do you ever bother to self analyze your strategy to see what will win (R) seats or is all vindictive uselessness all the time.

    Trump and Trumpism must be defeated. This is a battle for the soul of the Republican Party.

    To the Moderator:

    What you deem insults are more accurately described as the truth, and therefore, should have been recognized as constructive criticism.

    To Gary:

    You have lost your way and you have been diverted into some unnecessary battle to defeat Trump, Trumpism, and trying to resuscitate an (R) Party model that has more than proven to be expert in giving ground, retreating, and losing elections.

    Conservatives are battling to defeat the (D) and it’s Leftist ideology, and with Trump (R) voters were given an alternative to the generic calm submissive miniature poodle brand of (R) candidate*(see below) (R) voters had always been given.

    At this point I would concur it is apparent the Trump as the (R) alternative candidate experiment has run it’s course and moving forward (R)’s would be well served to  find a “less polarizing figure” to lead, while also acknowledging that whomever that ostensibly “less polarizing figure” is, will suddenly become the most polarizing worst person in the world the moment the (R) candidate is put into the (D)/MSM/Culture Combine cross hairs.

    With one week left in his Presidency, Trump is leaving office by law and I seriously doubt he will have the support to run for national office again, and while Trump may attempt to exert his political influence I do not believe Trump can actually provide a coherent ideological movement for (R)’s to coalesce around in the future.

    There are many other leaders on the Conservative side who can provide a Conservative agenda most of the (R) voters can coalesce around, and it should be obvious to rational thinkers that starting in January of 2021 on the path to winning (R) majorities in 2022 and 2024 by proposing a recall effort of current (R) office holders is exactly the wrong path.

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    Opening Act: Dogs, Dogs, and More Dogs

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  29. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Okay…I’ll try this one last time – the two previous times I asked this question not a single soul on Ricochet offered any dispute to this: Can anyone cite another Presidential election in the United States since 1960 that had more claims of election fraud than the Presidential election of 2020?

    Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? 

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  30. Gary Robbins Member
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    Gary still thinks members of the House are subject to recall?

    And that Cheney and Jordan are in some kind of competitive race, i.e. election?

    In Arizona they sure are. Before Arizona was admitted as a state in 1912, Arizona was going to be the 47th state and New Mexico would be the 48th state. However, President Taft disagreed with the provision in our Constitution that allowed for the recall of Judges and he vetoed our admission. Arizona then took out the offending provision and President Taft signed our admission on February 14, 2012, making us the “Valentine State.” At the November 2012 election, we added the recall of judges as part of our constitution.

    Cheney is the Republican House Conference Chair. I assume that she can be voted out of her position.

    No, no they are not subject to recall. Your state Constitution does not over rule the Federal Constitution. There is no provision for recall in the US Constitution and thus no member of the House or Senate has ever been recalled.

    Might be a good idea to allow it, but we would have to amend the US Constitution, not the Arizona Constitution.

    I am on it already.  Here is my letter to our Secretary of State:

    Dear Secretary of State Hobbs:

    A.R.S. §§19-221 and 222 state the following:

    19-221. Statement on recall in Arizona

    • Prior to a primary or any election, a candidate for the office of United States senator, or representative in Congress, may file with the secretary of state a statement addressed to the people as follows:
    • “If elected to the office (here name the office) I shall deem myself responsible to the people and under obligation to them to resign immediately if not re-elected on a recall vote,”
      • or: “If elected to the office (here name the office) I shall not deem myself under obligation to the people to resign if not re-elected by a recall vote.”
    • The secretary of state shall give the statement to the public press when made.

    19-222. Pledge to resign subject to recall

    • A United States senator or representative in Congress who has pledged himself to the people and under obligation to them to resign immediately if not re-elected upon a recall vote shall be subject to the laws of the state relating to recall of public officers, and may be recalled and his successor elected in like manner as a state officer.
    • The laws of the state relating to recall of state officers and recall elections are made applicable to the recall of a senator or representative.

    Have United States Representatives Andy Biggs, Paul Gosar, Debbie Lesko, and David Schweikert signed statements under A.R.S. §§19-221 and 222?

    Very Truly Yours,

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