Wither Q?

 

Q is a cult, and its prophet and instrument of salvation is Donald Trump. As of last Sunday the faithful were still insisting that the Plan would be fulfilled. What’s the Plan? Why, it’s a brilliant, complex, breathtaking long-game effort to take down the hydra-headed pedophiliac crime syndicate that controlled The Swamp. While things may have seemed dark on Sunday, the faithful were assured that everything was still working. The president was not in Washington, but in Texas; the White House videos had been filmed in front of a green screen to distract the enemies. Trump was actually directing the military from a secret base. 

Later in the afternoon, some people on Twitter started a story about DC’s air traffic shut down completely, with massive numbers of troop-carrying planes on the runway. Debunkers posted shots of air traffic from flight-tracker apps; people whose accounts had lots of numbers in there names and eagles in their bios noted that jets had flown over their house very low and loud, so yes, it’s happening. 

Except it didn’t, and it won’t. Donald Trump will leave office without making the Q prophecies come true. You have to wonder what that means for the cult. There’s a precedent, after all. Some recalculate the date of the Rapture; some turn on the person who was supposed to lead them to heaven; some fall away, disheartened, and pull a caul over the episode in their life and move on, abashed. 

In a way, it already happened. After the election, Q had to revise its predictions to accommodate events, and for some the Stolen Election was proof of the existence of powerful contrary forces. But moving on past the inauguration means losing faith in Trump as the powerful force that will sweep away iniquity. Obviously, he wasn’t, and didn’t. The Deep State wasn’t supposed to win. Pelosi was supposed to be in Gitmo wearing Clockwork-Orange eyelid-spreaders watching film of all the things her minions did to children in the catacombs under a pizzeria.

The left is not burdened with Q-type nonsense. The Putin-Puppet stuff came close. Fitzmas was another. But compared to Q, those are garden-variety political-scandal narratives with an institutional conclusion. I wonder if the left can move past these things easier because they have deeper narratives that offer solace. They can always fall back on the comforting certainties of American sinfulness, the knowledge they are virtuously embroiled in a long twilight struggle against the idea of American exceptionalism. The country is fatally corrupted by racism, sexism, and capitalism, with slavery the Original Sin that taints every atom of ink in its founding documents – but that somehow this uniquely immoral construct can be redeemed by a devotion to a slow-grinding, never-ending rearrangement of its fundamentals,  punctuated by violence to encourage the stragglers.

Marxism is Q without the “best by” date printed on the label.

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  1. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):
    Replace “Q” with “Flat-earthers” or “Lizard-alien believers,” if you wish. Imagine everyone goes to the mat for years defending Gen. Flynn and he turns out to believe that the Queen of England is a shapeshifter from another world.

    Wow, James. I was with you until you revealed yourself to be a shapeshifting reptilian alien denier. And it’s not just the Queen. The entire royal family has been replaced by the reptiles. Time to open your eyes, man.

    I was watching James on a podcast once and saw him lick his eyebrows.  It was then I knew he was one of the reptile people.

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  2. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):

    Get serious, James. There are problems, and you are simply distracting from them and ignoring and trivializing them.

    Example of the moment: Free Speech? James puts on his Alfred E. Newman grin and says: What, me worry?

    I’ve been writing about many issues, including free speech, for 30 years, in print and online, under my own name; if a mugshot appeared in the paper or magazines, I was not wearing the trademark rictus of blissful ignorance. Just because I post on Topic A instead of Topics B-Z does not mean I’m not concerned about B-Z, and if one wishes to suggest that I should get serious I have an uncivil suggestion that involves a full bladder and a rope.

    I’m 71 and have bladder problems. DO you think that uncivil suggestion might help me? I confess, I don’t understand the reference. Please enlighten me!

    I was 15 when William F. Buckley went after the Birchers on behalf of Goldwater. The effect, from my perspective,  appeared to be simply suppression of Goldwater’s base as about every businessman in Phoenix, and many others under the sway of Western rugged individualism, was a card carrying Bircher. Buckley’s efforts didn’t help much then, and such efforts to purge the kooks on the right won’t help much now. Reagan had a better approach:  “They may support me, but I don’t support them”  eg, I’ll take their votes. Worked out much better for him,  don’t you think?  

    The kooks, like the poor, will always with us. And they are called, as they say, our fellow Americans. 

    Personally, I subscribe to the conspiracy theories promulgated by Klavanon. 

    And, personally, I think DeGaulle’s characterization of Brazil currently fits America much better:  We are no longer a serious country. With an approval rating of Congress almost in single digits and a “one flew over the cuckoo’s nest” atmosphere in Washington, and politicians who obviously consider themselves our overseers and masters, and are unable to see beyond their own sense of self importance, and ivy-league founders on Ricochet (who CHOOSE to live in NYC, can you believe it?) going on rants about our stupidity, I try to follow Santayana’s words (…I keep within the parchment furled, That prompts the passions of this strutting world.) but don’t succeed as well as I would like.

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  3. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Concretevol (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):
    I have a great idea. Let’s spend the next couple of years exposing all the whacka doodles on our side, while the people on the other side consolidate power! You first!

    VS excusing and hiding our nutjobs? I think ridding our side of the wack jobs will make our side stronger. “Consolidating” the wack jobs into the left hasn’t helped them in the least.

    And how do you suggest we “rid” ourselves of the nut jobs?

    There are two Q-Anon friendly members of Congress in the House: Marjorie Taylor Greene of GA-14 and Lauren Boebert of CO-3. They are in heavy Republican Districts.

    Just like Steve King, they need to be primaried, and to lose their Committee Assignments.

    According to the Boston Globe, Ms. Boebert allegedly was in communication with the Rioters who took over the Congress and communicated Nancy Pelosi’s whereabouts to them. If so, she should be expelled from Congress.

    According to the Boston Globe, Adam Schiff had iron clad documentary proof that Trump colluded with Russia.

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  4. Joseph Eagar Member
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    I still don’t understand why this is such a big deal.  “Q followers think a secret group of government investigators are working to root out a child predator ring involving powerful people” is actually kind of adorable as conspiracy theories go.  Again, I’ve never read or watched any of their material so I’ve only heard what others have said about them, so perhaps more extreme things are happening I’m not aware off.

     

     

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  5. Sisyphus Member
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):
    Replace “Q” with “Flat-earthers” or “Lizard-alien believers,” if you wish. Imagine everyone goes to the mat for years defending Gen. Flynn and he turns out to believe that the Queen of England is a shapeshifter from another world.

    Wow, James. I was with you until you revealed yourself to be a shapeshifting reptilian alien denier. And it’s not just the Queen. The entire royal family has been replaced by the reptiles. Time to open your eyes, man.

    I for one embrace our new reptilian overlords. Yes, they eat people, but they aren’t as pathologically misanthropic as our current political class.

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  6. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Are we talking chemtrails levels of buy-in here? Or 9/11 Truther?

    Apropos of nothing … In Santa Monica (where else?) I once came across a genuine Chemtrail’er. At least it was a guy in a “Chemtrails are real” tee shirt emblazoned with a graphic of a large jet spewing mist behind it. So I assume he was genuine. I was fascinated. I had never seen one in the wild before (or since). I kept an eye on him as we both walked the pier. I don’t know what I expected…drooling?…ranting at random passers by? He seemed normal enough in all other respects. Just a garden variety crazy.

     

    Then there was this guy I came across at the old WTC site…

    You caught a rare glimpse of Rob Long, in the wild, and you didn’t tell us?

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  7. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    Aaron Miller (View Comment):

    SkipSul (View Comment):

    Q built on the blind hope in the system as a way to rationalize why the Russiagate conspirators have largely escaped scrutiny – I cannot tell you how many posts (mostly elsewhere, not on Rico – I have friends I’ve sadly lost to Q madness) where the very lack of filed charges or prosecutions was somehow evidence that Team Trump was really holding its fire, and would unleash something truly epic soon. See, the reason they haven’t prosecuted Mueller is because their real target is [insert name here], and they’re just waiting for the right moment to spring the trap!

    And at every cycle, the alleged trap would get larger, the conspiracy bigger, the lists of secret witnesses they’ve secretly flipped would get longer.

    Yeah, people are desperate for truth and justice. Ideally, everyone would remain calm and measured. But it’s probably better for the country if many people invest too much hope in politicians than if they lose hope and abandon politics.

    Trump was the final desperate hope of many Republican voters. He remains so for people who think he will run again in 2024. Heck, some people think he will start a rival to FOX News or something similarly ambitious. That’s desperate hope.

    If “moderate” Republicans and traditional conservatives want to stymie those wild dreams, then they must offer compelling strategies which give ground to that desperate hope. That’s a tall order since Republicans pissed away a majority of both houses of Congress under a Republican President.

    Oh, there it is – just make good policy arguments and we’ll win the day.

    The left’s version of “compelling strategy” is “we’ll provide everything and make rich people pay for it”, which seems to garner an inordinate number of votes, every 2, 4, and 6 years.  150 million or so people vote.  What, exactly, would it look like, to convince 75 million, plus 1, that Republicans have better things in store for them than Democrats?

    If you’re arguing to return to normalcy, I think we’re well on the way to getting it.  Which means more massive expansion of federal power and spending, catastrophic debt and unfunded liabilities to the tune of 100 trillion, etc.  The other normal we can looking forward to the earliest is interest on the debt crowding out the shrinking pie of the budget that remains discretionary – including, primarily, defense.

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  8. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Okay. I don’t know Q from a jar of Vicks, as my old dad would say. But I know speech suppression. Let me tell you what’s up-and-coming in the exciting world of speech suppression.

    Misinformation. That’s the new mantra of the left, extraordinarily popular with smart young over-educated technocrats in Silicon Valley and other places where golden collar workers congregate. Misinformation is the great evil of the technocratic age — and the justification for the suppression of speech that doesn’t meet the subjectively objective standards of the ascendant left.

    In a brilliant gut-punch of a piece he wrote back on October 27, a piece that remains the most moving thing I’ve read on Ricochet (members-only, so I won’t try to link it), James observed how a mask wearer’s hygienic virtue gave him an instant claim to the moral high ground. We’ve all seen it; we know it’s true.

    In the rising technocracy, opposing “misinformation” grants that same moral authority. These arrogant too-bright-by-half children, ignorant of every aspect of history predating Google, confident that they can competently manage the complexity of human society and avoid the pitfalls of every single effort that preceded them simply because they don’t know that others have tried and failed — these eager innocent young control freaks celebrate “data” and “studies” and “evidence” and “truth” and will happily shut down every platform and voice that doesn’t meet their puritanical standards.

    I’ve talked with these people. They’re often nice, always smart, deeply sincere, full of boundless energy and enthusiasm. It isn’t their fault that they’re incipient fascists: no one ever told them, before they handed them the keys to global communication, that complex systems defy even Ph.D.s in data analysis and computer science.

    So Q is stupid and a source of chaos and confusion for a gullible subset of the population that might otherwise turn to InfoWars or NPR or some other source of dopey ideas. I can live with that. The fight before us isn’t to quash misinformation, but rather to preserve our ability to express unapproved ideas. It’s a serious fight.


    I was engaged with one of these bright young fellows a few days ago on another platform. His name is Ian, and he’s got a Ph.D. in something to do with computational genetics, and manages the science for a Silicon Valley tech startup doing single-chip biological assay systems. He’s a bright, sometimes charming guy. Regarding the big tech shutdown of Parler, he had this to say:

    “We are witnessing the halting of fascism enabling platforms. The fourth branch of government is speaking.”

    I kinda wanna give an atomic wedgie to your PhD pal.  Smug and stupid cries out for shaming.

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  9. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    I have to laugh when our brothers and sisters of the Right say that Q isn’t real, Q doesn’t exist…but Pizzagate, you know, wasn’t crazy, because, uh…Podesta and…Hollywood and…Jeffrey Epstein! Where do they think this slime is coming from?

    Face it, gang, we’ve got kooks, just like they’ve got kooks.

    Hubert Humphrey and AFL-CIO President George Meany did the nation a great service by expelling overt Stalinist’s from the Democratic Party and organized labor.

    William F. Buckley, Jr. did the nation a great service by expelling the John Birch Society from the Conservative Movement.

    It is now the task of the Democratic Party to purge Antifa from the Left, just as it is the task of Conservatives and Republicans to purge Q-Anon from our side.

    Well wake up Reagan and get crackin’!  No one’s holding you back.

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  10. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):
    . The other normal we can looking forward to the earliest is interest on the debt crowding out the shrinking pie of the budget that remains discretionary – including, primarily, defense.

    MMT, baby.

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  11. Hoyacon Member
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Gazpacho Grande’ (View Comment):
    . The other normal we can looking forward to the earliest is interest on the debt crowding out the shrinking pie of the budget that remains discretionary – including, primarily, defense.

    MMT, baby.

    OT, but there’s an article in The Federalist about the libs moving in on East Tennessee, if you’re interested.

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  12. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Gazpacho Grande’ (View Comment):
    . The other normal we can looking forward to the earliest is interest on the debt crowding out the shrinking pie of the budget that remains discretionary – including, primarily, defense.

    MMT, baby.

    OT, but there’s an article in The Federalist about the libs moving in on East Tennessee, if you’re interested.

    Is there a link?

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  13. Hoyacon Member
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Gazpacho Grande’ (View Comment):
    . The other normal we can looking forward to the earliest is interest on the debt crowding out the shrinking pie of the budget that remains discretionary – including, primarily, defense.

    MMT, baby.

    OT, but there’s an article in The Federalist about the libs moving in on East Tennessee, if you’re interested.

    Is there a link?

    Here.

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  14. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Gazpacho Grande’ (View Comment):
    . The other normal we can looking forward to the earliest is interest on the debt crowding out the shrinking pie of the budget that remains discretionary – including, primarily, defense.

    MMT, baby.

    OT, but there’s an article in The Federalist about the libs moving in on East Tennessee, if you’re interested.

    Is there a link?

    Here.

    Thanks.

    I suspected he was talking about Maryville College.

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  15. Gary Robbins Member
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    Yesterday, on January 16, 2021 Nebraska Senator Ben Sasse wrote a lengthy 2,000 word essay on Q-Anon titled “QAnon is Destroying the GOP From Within” with the subtitle: “Until last week, too many in the Republican Party thought they could preach the Constitution and wink at QAnon.  They can’t.”  https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/conspiracy-theories-will-doom-republican-party/617707/

    I filed a OP on this issue at https://ricochet.com/871442/ben-sasse-takes-on-qanon/#respond

     

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  16. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Yesterday, on January 16, 2021 Nebraska Senator Ben Sasse wrote a lengthy 2,000 word essay on Q-Anon titled “QAnon is Destroying the GOP From Within” with the subtitle: “Until last week, too many in the Republican Party thought they could preach the Constitution and wink at QAnon. They can’t.” https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/conspiracy-theories-will-doom-republican-party/617707/

    I filed a OP on this issue at https://ricochet.com/871442/ben-sasse-takes-on-qanon/#respond

    You are a one-man PR firm in addition to your other talents.

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