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  1. Saint Augustine Member
    Saint Augustine
    @SaintAugustine

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    That’s fine. I hope you didn’t think that I was being snarky, which wasn’t meant. I have another comment up somewhere else where I pretty much say that I can’t give up Prime. And I’ve never used Twitter, and wouldn’t have used Parler.

    But these tech giants are out of control, so what to do?

    The next right thing. Always.

    Yeah, I know–that doesn’t answer the question at hand.  I don’t have the answer either. At some point I aim to go back to Facebook, promote this book I’m editing, say something rational about politics, and hope to survive the ordeal. I’m pretty sure that’s a good thing–like Faramir on the edge of Mordor reminding the Enemy his troops are not entirely unopposed.

    Keep Ricochet going–whether as social media alternative or as conservative institution alternative, that’s worth doing.

    I’m on Parler too.  Documented some of the election fraud stuff there.

    https://parler.com/profile/TeacherOfPhilosophy/posts

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  2. Cal Lawton Inactive
    Cal Lawton
    @CalLawton

    Yeah, so did I.

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  3. Manny Coolidge
    Manny
    @Manny

    Henry Racette:

    It used to require an angry mob and a can of gasoline. Now a few smugly self-righteous billionaires can decide who gets to hear and see and read what.

    I’ve just canceled my Amazon Prime membership.

    Damn the censors.

     

    What happened?  Did I miss something?  What did Amazon censor?

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  4. lowtech redneck Coolidge
    lowtech redneck
    @lowtech redneck

    Manny (View Comment):

    What happened? Did I miss something? What did Amazon censor?

    They colluded with Google and Apple to nuke Parler, a (mostly) free speech, conservative-friendly alternative to Twitter that was growing by leaps and bounds in response to Twitter banning everyone.  Right now, Bongino (the owner) needs to find a new host, who will be subject to coordinated action in turn.

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  5. Manny Coolidge
    Manny
    @Manny

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    What happened? Did I miss something? What did Amazon censor?

    They colluded with Google and Apple to nuke Parler, a (mostly) free speech, conservative-friendly alternative to Twitter that was growing by leaps and bounds in response to Twitter banning everyone. Right now, Bongino (the owner) needs to find a new host, who will be subject to coordinated action in turn.

    Oh.  I had not heard.  I really do think some of these internet companies have gotten too huge, and now it sounds like they are colluding.  I am for breaking some of the biggest companies up.  They have a monopoly that is detrimental to the public.

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  6. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    I can’t do it. I just can’t.

    I’m tied into Amazon Music. I get audiobooks from Audible. We really need the delivery service of goods for various reasons.

    I’m weak, just weak.

    I quit my Prime membership yesterday, opting to do it immediately rather than when the current term expires.  I bought an audiobook tonight, after reading a Seawriter review of it. I use my Amazon password to log on to audible.com. I don’t plan to discontinue that, even though it’s owned by Amazon. 

    I suppose music and video will be a problem for some people, but I just haven’t been able to get myself interested in those services. I’ve watched a movie or two, based on recommendations here at Ricochet, but they weren’t that great.

    I’m sure I’ll still make some purchases from Amazon, but I’ll be more diligent about looking for alternative sources. 

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  7. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    CACrabtree (View Comment):
    As for Conservatives in general, I believe that we need to spend far less time studying the Federalist Papers and more time reading Rules for Radicals.

    Yes, but we should still read the Federalist Papers at least once. And maybe we should add Power of the Powerless to this list.

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  8. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    Manny (View Comment):

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    What happened? Did I miss something? What did Amazon censor?

    They colluded with Google and Apple to nuke Parler, a (mostly) free speech, conservative-friendly alternative to Twitter that was growing by leaps and bounds in response to Twitter banning everyone. Right now, Bongino (the owner) needs to find a new host, who will be subject to coordinated action in turn.

    Oh. I had not heard. I really do think some of these internet companies have gotten too huge, and now it sounds like they are colluding. I am for breaking some of the biggest companies up. They have a monopoly that is detrimental to the public.

    I don’t like the idea of breaking them up, because it means we’re asking a bigger bully/monopoly to rescue us from a smaller bully/monopoly. It rarely ends well.  However, I do favor creating conditions that will want to make them decide on their own to break up.  

    But desperate times call for desperate measures. We could follow Poland’s lead and enact laws that make it illegal for them to drop users that aren’t violating Polish laws.  (Poland hasn’t enacted these laws yet, but supposedly they are on the way.) 

    It might be that Poland is the country in which smaller social media companies need to host their servers. Most likely the best is some kind of distributed hosting, but maybe Poland should be involved. 

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  9. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    What happened? Did I miss something? What did Amazon censor?

    They colluded with Google and Apple to nuke Parler, a (mostly) free speech, conservative-friendly alternative to Twitter that was growing by leaps and bounds in response to Twitter banning everyone. Right now, Bongino (the owner) needs to find a new host, who will be subject to coordinated action in turn.

    Oh. I had not heard. I really do think some of these internet companies have gotten too huge, and now it sounds like they are colluding. I am for breaking some of the biggest companies up. They have a monopoly that is detrimental to the public.

    I don’t like the idea of breaking them up, because it means we’re asking a bigger bully/monopoly to rescue us from a smaller bully/monopoly. It rarely ends well. However, I do favor creating conditions that will want to make them decide on their own to break up.

    But desperate times call for desperate measures. We could follow Poland’s lead and enact laws that make it illegal for them to drop users that aren’t violating Polish laws. (Poland hasn’t enacted these laws yet, but supposedly they are on the way.)

    It might be that Poland is the country in which smaller social media companies need to host their servers. Most likely the best is some kind of distributed hosting, but maybe Poland should be involved.

    The combination in restraint of trade is more serious than the exercise of monopoly power, at least to me. Seems like a real crime.

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  10. The Scarecrow Thatcher
    The Scarecrow
    @TheScarecrow

    Poland’s idea seems like a good approach. Also, deeming these services as sue-able entities, since they are going to start judging the worth of content on their sites. Maybe that will be the natural governor or choke on their influence.

    But if they have become so powerful that they can laugh off any attempts to stop them now, so easily have bought off every and all politicians with money too huge to resist, so that stopping them through the normal means we would expect to use, then we are very interestingly f***ed. 

    Maybe we are indeed at a time of a great reset.

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  11. RushBabe49 Thatcher
    RushBabe49
    @RushBabe49

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    I read a book about Amazon a couple of years ago that scared the heck out of me. They are so big. No one can touch them.

    What people do not realize is that Amazon and Facebook have all of their wealth in Big Data, which they own. They have accumulated so much that they have run out of room now. This is what they are monetizing with Zuckerburg’s money-laundering Facebook currency scheme.

    The wealth on Big Tech Mount Olympus is staggering. They are a country unto themselves. Nothing can touch them.

    But they surely touch us and they are hard to shake off.

    That reminds me, how did Elon Musk gain so much more wealth in the last year, anybody?

    The huge increase in the value of Tesla stock.  His “wealth” is all on paper, and could evaporate in an instant.  The day the government stops letting Tesla sell “emission credits”, Tesla dies.  Most of Tesla revenue comes from the sale of those credits to other auto-makers, so they don’t have to build electric cars no one wants to buy.  This is the ultimate house of cards, utterly dependent upon government mandates.

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  12. ape2ag Member
    ape2ag
    @ape2ag

    These companies are obviously coordinating to control political speech.  If they are doing that, they are almost certainly colluding for profit.  These are not market competitors.  Big tech is a monopolistic cartel, and the companies should be dissolved.

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  13. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    Henry Racette: I’ve just canceled my Amazon Prime membership.

    That’s going to be tough for me to do.  The convenience of not having to go to a store and put up with the crowds is too much to loose.  In addition, they are my publisher via Kindle Direct Publishing.

    Other than Ricochet, I’m not on any social media platform, so I can’t quit what I’m not a member of . . .

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  14. Hoyacon Member
    Hoyacon
    @Hoyacon

    Stad (View Comment):

    Henry Racette: I’ve just canceled my Amazon Prime membership.

    That’s going to be tough for me to do. The convenience of not having to go to a store and put up with the crowds is too much to loose.

    Me too, but I have to do something.  I think that’s going to be to make an effort to find at least some stuff elsewhere and not to just reflexively buy from Amazon.  For example, our pet food business, which is pretty considerable, now is going to Chewy (free 2-day shipping, $50 and over).

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  15. Online Park Member
    Online Park
    @OnlinePark

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    I can’t do it. I just can’t.

    I’m tied into Amazon Music. I get audiobooks from Audible. We really need the delivery service of goods for various reasons.

    I’m weak, just weak.

    I quit my Prime membership yesterday, opting to do it immediately rather than when the current term expires. I bought an audiobook tonight, after reading a Seawriter review of it. I use my Amazon password to log on to audible.com. I don’t plan to discontinue that, even though it’s owned by Amazon.

    I suppose music and video will be a problem for some people, but I just haven’t been able to get myself interested in those services. I’ve watched a movie or two, based on recommendations here at Ricochet, but they weren’t that great.

    I’m sure I’ll still make some purchases from Amazon, but I’ll be more diligent about looking for alternative sources.

    I download all the audio books I need through two different library systems on a program called Overdrive. It is free. I love it.

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  16. D.A. Venters Inactive
    D.A. Venters
    @DAVenters

    If Parler truly did refuse to remove calls for violence or threats, then I think it’s justifiable for Apple, Amazon, etc. to drop them.  It would help matters if they would disclose details on what they were concerned about.  Same with Twitter and Facebook when they ban someone. 

    I see no value in conservatives shrinking away from these formats or boycotting them.  There won’t be nearly enough who do that to impact these companies’ decisions, which they have the right to make, after all.  Better to remain engaged, and try to reach people who don’t already agree with you.  If everybody just retreats to conservative friendly sites for all their political discussion, thinking they’re punishing Big Tech (whatever that is), it just makes reasonable conservative points that much harder for others to hear.

     

        

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  17. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    Oddly enough, this is creating a huge market opportunity for a non-American company. These companies are as arrogant as GM, Ford and Chrysler used to be.

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  18. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    If everybody just retreats to conservative friendly sites for all their political discussion, thinking they’re punishing Big Tech (whatever that is), it just makes reasonable conservative points that much harder for others to hear.

    Delusional. First, it isn’t a matter of retreat, it is a matter of being driven out. Have you not noticed? I doubt you have.

    Second, punishment will consist of anti-trust, prosecution as they are breaking the law, and through taxation. 

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  19. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Hang On (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    If everybody just retreats to conservative friendly sites for all their political discussion, thinking they’re punishing Big Tech (whatever that is), it just makes reasonable conservative points that much harder for others to hear.

    Delusional. First, it isn’t a matter of retreat, it is a matter of being driven out. Have you not noticed? I doubt you have.

    Second, punishment will consist of anti-trust, prosecution as they are breaking the law, and through taxation.

    This evaluation and judgement of the personal characteristics of customers is very unAmerican when one thinks these entities are in business to deliver products and services. It is really an unacceptable trend.

    Edit: Isn’t this the business practice the Chinese Communists call Social Credit and it is on a par with financial credit?

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  20. Hoyacon Member
    Hoyacon
    @Hoyacon

    Online Park (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    I can’t do it. I just can’t.

    I’m tied into Amazon Music. I get audiobooks from Audible. We really need the delivery service of goods for various reasons.

    I’m weak, just weak.

    I quit my Prime membership yesterday, opting to do it immediately rather than when the current term expires. I bought an audiobook tonight, after reading a Seawriter review of it. I use my Amazon password to log on to audible.com. I don’t plan to discontinue that, even though it’s owned by Amazon.

    I suppose music and video will be a problem for some people, but I just haven’t been able to get myself interested in those services. I’ve watched a movie or two, based on recommendations here at Ricochet, but they weren’t that great.

    I’m sure I’ll still make some purchases from Amazon, but I’ll be more diligent about looking for alternative sources.

    I download all the audio books I need through two different library systems on a program called Overdrive. It is free. I love it.

    It’s extraordinary, but I’m not sure how widely it’s available.  Also, the number of books may be subject to municipal budgets.  I’m not looking a gift horse in the mouth, but there are quite a few audible books that aren’t available on our system.

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  21. Locke On Member
    Locke On
    @LockeOn

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Oddly enough, this is creating a huge market opportunity for a non-American company. These companies are as arrogant as GM, Ford and Chrysler used to be.

    This is an excellent point.  Dissidents in other countries have long used US hosted services to avoid censorship and persecution.  Looks like we may be in the same boat.  Do you know of any realistic candidates for Twitter and Facebook substitution?  

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  22. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    Locke On (View Comment):

    r a non-American company. These companies are as arrogant as GM, Ford and Chrysler used to be.

    This is an excellent point. Dissidents in other countries have long used US hosted services to avoid censorship and persecution. Looks like we may be in the same boat. Do you know of any realistic candidates for Twitter and Facebook substitution?

    Yes, but they’re Chinese. Unfortunately. Tiktok and Renren. No reason that something else couldn’t come about.

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  23. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    Sweezle (View Comment):

    It feels like an empty gesture to me. Parler is not the cross I am prepared to die on.

    No one is asking you to die.

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  24. Joan of Ark La Tex Inactive
    Joan of Ark La Tex
    @JoALT

    Elon Musk said it best last week :

     

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  25. D.A. Venters Inactive
    D.A. Venters
    @DAVenters

    Hang On (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    If everybody just retreats to conservative friendly sites for all their political discussion, thinking they’re punishing Big Tech (whatever that is), it just makes reasonable conservative points that much harder for others to hear.

    Delusional. First, it isn’t a matter of retreat, it is a matter of being driven out. Have you not noticed? I doubt you have.

    True, but only because I see a massive amount of conservative, right leaning, anti-left commentary on social media sites, which is a good thing.

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  26. Miffed White Male Member
    Miffed White Male
    @MiffedWhiteMale

    This sounds a lot like boycotting movies and TV shows that star actors who are particularly politically obnoxious.  It’s possible, but it leaves you with a lot fewer options, and it doesn’t really have much effect.

     

     

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  27. TCNYMEX Member
    TCNYMEX
    @TCNYMEX

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    I can’t do it. I just can’t.

    I’m tied into Amazon Music. I get audiobooks from Audible. We really need the delivery service of goods for various reasons.

    I’m weak, just weak.

    I don’t know how well Walmart is it delivering packages in your neck of the woods. So I cannot speak as to whether Walmart would be a suitable substitute for Amazon delivering products to your doorstep.

     

    But I can tell you, you are by no means limited by the legacy music that you bought from Amazon. All the music that I have ever purchased from Amazon is on my phone in this subdirectory

    sd_card/android/media/com.amazon.mp3

     

    It’s all there, mp3 file names are the song titles, and the artists and album names are in the metadata of each MP3 which can be seen by altering the display options of the file folder containing the transferred MP3s once you copy the MP3 is off your phone and onto your computer. (I have a chron job that does this nightly, just in case Amazon “recalled” an MP3 due to a copyright take down notice. Which turns out to have been handy now)

    Once on your phone you can use your favorite music app to organize the mp3s (I use winamp, a legacy Windows app)

     

     

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  28. Hoyacon Member
    Hoyacon
    @Hoyacon

    TCNYMEX (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    I can’t do it. I just can’t.

    I’m tied into Amazon Music. I get audiobooks from Audible. We really need the delivery service of goods for various reasons.

    I’m weak, just weak.

    I don’t know how well Walmart is it delivering packages in your neck of the woods. So I cannot speak as to whether Walmart would be a suitable substitute for Amazon delivering products to your doorstep.

     

    But I can tell you, you are by no means limited by the legacy music that you bought from Amazon. All the music that I have ever purchased from Amazon is on my phone in this subdirectory

    sd_card/android/media/com.amazon.mp3

     

    It’s all there, mp3 file names are the song titles, and the artists and album names are in the metadata of each MP3 which can be seen by altering the display options of the file folder containing the transferred MP3s once you copy the MP3 is off your phone and onto your computer. (I have a chron job that does this nightly, just in case Amazon “recalled” an MP3 due to a copyright take down notice. Which turns out to have been handy now)

    Once on your phone you can use your favorite music app to organize the mp3s (I use winamp, a legacy Windows app)

    Thank you!

     

     

     

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  29. Manny Coolidge
    Manny
    @Manny

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    What happened? Did I miss something? What did Amazon censor?

    They colluded with Google and Apple to nuke Parler, a (mostly) free speech, conservative-friendly alternative to Twitter that was growing by leaps and bounds in response to Twitter banning everyone. Right now, Bongino (the owner) needs to find a new host, who will be subject to coordinated action in turn.

    Oh. I had not heard. I really do think some of these internet companies have gotten too huge, and now it sounds like they are colluding. I am for breaking some of the biggest companies up. They have a monopoly that is detrimental to the public.

    I don’t like the idea of breaking them up, because it means we’re asking a bigger bully/monopoly to rescue us from a smaller bully/monopoly. It rarely ends well. However, I do favor creating conditions that will want to make them decide on their own to break up.

    But desperate times call for desperate measures. We could follow Poland’s lead and enact laws that make it illegal for them to drop users that aren’t violating Polish laws. (Poland hasn’t enacted these laws yet, but supposedly they are on the way.)

    It might be that Poland is the country in which smaller social media companies need to host their servers. Most likely the best is some kind of distributed hosting, but maybe Poland should be involved.

    I can support that.  It certainly would be preferable if the government didn’t break it up.

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  30. Manny Coolidge
    Manny
    @Manny

    Stad (View Comment):

    Henry Racette: I’ve just canceled my Amazon Prime membership.

    That’s going to be tough for me to do. The convenience of not having to go to a store and put up with the crowds is too much to loose. In addition, they are my publisher via Kindle Direct Publishing.

    Other than Ricochet, I’m not on any social media platform, so I can’t quit what I’m not a member of . . .

    You spoke for me too.

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