The Immediate Calls to Remove Trump Were Irresponsible

 

In the wake of the rioting at the Capitol on Wednesday, there have been many calls for President Trump to be either removed pursuant to the 25th Amendment, or impeached by the House and removed by the Senate.

I find these suggestions to be well past unwarranted, and beyond irresponsible. I find them to be deranged.

I am not surprised that many Democrats — apparently including Speaker Pelosi and Minority Leader Schumer — have made such demands. I don’t actually consider them to be deranged. I think that they are scheming, dishonest politicians, which is no surprise.

I am surprised to see such deranged hysteria from Republicans.

Here is a partial list of Republicans or conservatives who have called for President Trump’s immediate removal from office following the reprehensible rioting on January 6, either through the 25th Amendment or by impeachment and conviction. I would appreciate any additions to this list.

  1. David French (here). Dated January 6.
  2. The Dispatch Staff (here). Dated January 7. I assume that this includes Jonah Goldberg and Steve Hayes.
  3. Jim Geraghty (here). Dated January 7.
  4. Kyle Smith (of National Review, here). Dated January 7.
  5. Most sadly, our own editor Jon Gabriel (here). Dated January 6.
  6. Erick Erickson (here). Dated January 8.

One would hope that thoughtful, respected, professional commentators would refrain from proposing anything so drastic for, say, at least 2-3 days. One might want to see how events unfolded. One might want to gather additional information. One might want to, well, act like a responsible adult.

Sadly, though he does not approve on prudential grounds, even Andy McCarthy has opined that the President’s actions are impeachable (here, dated January 7).

I am also disappointed in Sen. Ben Sasse who stated (here): “The House, if they come together and have a process, I will definitely consider whatever articles they might move . . . I believe the president has disregarded his oath of office…what he did was wicked.”

I don’t know whether I feel like Jeremiah, or like Cassandra, or like a lowly broken record. Over and over again, in times of crisis as events unfold, I have urged people to stay calm and reserve judgment. In this case, order was restored within about 6 hours, and Congress proceeded to confirm President-Elect Biden’s victory.

I have previously, and unequivocally, condemned the lawless and barbarous storming of the Capitol by rioting miscreants. Nothing that I write should be construed to justify such criminality. I have also criticized some of the President’s claim, such as his insistence that he won in a “landslide.” I also criticize his negative tweet about Vice President Pence Trump. I do not condone such rhetorical excess. I simply object to the deranged overreaction, too.

Of those that I’ve seen thus far, David French takes the derangement gold medal. Not only does he want the President removed from office, but yesterday (January 7), he tweeted: “Expel Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz.” (Here.)

What is the proper response to such derangement? Generally, I think that we should simply stop reading, or listening to, anything said by these commentators who have demonstrated such poor judgment. At least until and unless they issue an apology. We should always be prepared to extend forgiveness to those who act intemperately, in the heat of a moment.

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  1. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    EHerring (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Here, a mob breached the Capitol of the United States at the instigation of the President. Five people died, including a Capitol Police Officer. The Senate Chambers were defiled by this mob, as well as the Speaker’s own office. The mob tried to break into the House, while House Members were still present there. This is a prima facie case for the abuse of power by the President. Trump should be impeached. His term of office will expire before there can be a trial in the Senate. However, impeachment is proper for two reasons. First, if Trump tries such a stunt in the future, the Senate could simply vote on the Articles of Impeachment in a matter of minutes. Second, the other remedy in addition to removal from office is that the offending President can no longer hold any office. If Trump did what it appears that he did, he should be disqualified from ever holding any office in the future.

    Gary, my friend, you are suffering the same derangement as the people listed in the OP on the issue of incitement. I don’t think that anything that I say can convince you.

    On the claim that “[f]ive people died,” this is really careless. It appears that there were a total of five deaths, but it’s not clear that they were related to the riot in a meaningful way.

    One clearly was — the woman, Ashli Babbitt, who was shot while trying to break in to the Speaker’s Lobby.

    There is a report of a police officer who was injured, and later died. The facts are a bit vague here, as the report that I read indicated that he returned to his office/precinct, then collapsed, was taken to the hospital, and died. It is quite possible that he died as a result of his injuries, but I’m withholding judgment pending further information.

    I understand that the rioters smashed the police officer Brian D. Sicknick in the face with a fire extinguisher during this “mostly peaceful” riot. Here is a picture of the murdered officer.

    Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick

    That was wrong. I want to know more about who did that. Anarchy and revolution are nasty things. Our political class and the Democrats better remember that before they ignore the warning signs and continue to ignore and ever silence the people.

    Oh my goodness.

    Gary, this is more derangement.  Who said that it was a “mostly peaceful” riot?  I haven’t seen anyone condemning the rioting barbarians more strongly than me — equally strongly, perhaps, but not more strongly.

    The issue is blame.  The rioters are to blame.  The President is not.

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  2. Hoyacon Member
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    The officer’s family has specifically requested that his death not be politicized, and has asked for a moratorium on discussion until more facts emerge.

    I’m loathe to appoint myself some kind of substitute mod, but I really do think it would be helpful if we purged his picture from responses to Mr. Robbins’ intemperate comment.

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  3. RufusRJones Member
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    If they hate the politician, policy becomes inconsequential, then all bets are off, and everything from illegal spying on a political campaign by our domestic law enforcement agencies, illegal FISA applications, Special Counsel snipe hunts, prosecutions and prison time for process crimes ….. I could go on …. it all becomes nothing to see here folks …. nothing matters as long as the result damages the politician they hate.

    This is what I think.

    The whole post was excellent.

    Also, Biden is actually captured by China.

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  4. The Reticulator Member
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    But tomorrow or the next day or the next day, there’ll be a “friendly “Aren’t I warm and cuddly” post like the one on Tommy Lasorda. Don’t let it fool you.

    You are free to post on Tommy Lasorda.

    Don’t sully Tommy Lasorda’s name by trying to associate yourself with him.

    I bled Dodger Blue back before we got the Diamondbacks, thank you very much.

    The Dodgers have their burdens to carry. You don’t need to add to them. 

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  5. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…: Here is a partial list of Republicans or conservatives who have called for President Trump’s immediate removal from office following the reprehensible rioting on January 6, either through the 25th Amendment or by impeachment and conviction.

    They are all virtue signalling, but it should be no surprise. While I like them normally, they are dead wrong in their insane hatred of the best President we’ve had since Reagan. In fact, Trump has been better than Reagan in that he go more things done. You may not like Trump’s personality, but he opened a nerve on the left that, interestingly, also opened nerves to some on the right.

    I said it and thought it too. I dont have an insane hatred of the president and I’m not virtue signaling. It was a reaction to something that HAD NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. Save the Trump defenses for a time he deserves it. This ain’t that time.

    Another one who slept through the Kavanaugh hearings.  I understand not knowing about 1954 but this was recent enough for even the ahistorical.

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  6. Duane Oyen Member
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    French takes both the TDS and TOS (Trump Obsession Syndrome, a situation when one can’t get through a single conversation without bringing the subject around to Trump; Jonah Goldberg shares the championship in a less TDS manner) trophies, of course- but talking about the fact that Trump needs to be impeached is a perfectly sensible idea were the imminent calendar more extensive.  If it was December 8th, Congress would be right to look at impeachment because Trump deserves it.   

    Considering the situation now, with Congress not in session and the inauguration 11 days off it is a useless idea.  But Jon Gabriel and Kyle Smith were perfectly sensible to suggest the possibility.

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  7. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member
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    For the record, upon promotion of this post to the main feed, the title was changed.  My original title was simply “Deranged.”

    I do not object to the modification.  I just wanted to make it clear.

    I appreciate the promotion of this post, which is quite critical of our editor, Jon Gabriel.  I like and respect Jon, but think that he is seriously incorrect on this issue.

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  8. Brian Clendinen Inactive
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

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    . All the votes were certified under state law

    IANAL, but unqualified statements like this give me pause. It seems to me a state legal system is a web with laws having an interconnected aspect that might cause a defect in the certification if the underlying voting was done through means adopted unconstitutionally. Is my reasoning process defective here?

    The statute provides no method for Congress to get into the intra-state controversies. It refers to the certification process in 3 usc 6, which, basically upholds the doctrine that states are expected to sort out their own controversies, if any, before certifying their electors. The state executive is to report the resolution of the controversy as part of the certification process. So, again, any electors certified under 3 usc 6 cannot be rejected, so long as there is no alternate slate sent by the state.

    In the absence of that alternate slate, or some forgery of the certification or something, the counting is a formality.

    It looks as if the state legislatures could have taken action if they thought the process was not legal. That what you are saying? They didn’t. Was this because they couldn’t because they were not in session? I recall there were entreaties to Governor Kemp to call the Georgia legislature but he didn’t. The other states have Democrat governors so I’m sure they would not. Do I have this accurate?

    Some state the leadership of the Legislator can call a session like Florida.  George requires a 2/3rd vote.  Wisconsin is majority of both houses, or a committee in each hours, Pennsylvania it looks like it requires the Governor to call a special session if a majority request but there is no penalty if he does not it looks like.

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    . All the votes were certified under state law

    IANAL, but unqualified statements like this give me pause. It seems to me a state legal system is a web with laws having an interconnected aspect that might cause a defect in the certification if the underlying voting was done through means adopted unconstitutionally. Is my reasoning process defective here?

    The statute provides no method for Congress to get into the intra-state controversies. It refers to the certification process in 3 usc 6, which, basically upholds the doctrine that states are expected to sort out their own controversies, if any, before certifying their electors. The state executive is to report the resolution of the controversy as part of the certification process. So, again, any electors certified under 3 usc 6 cannot be rejected, so long as there is no alternate slate sent by the state.

    In the absence of that alternate slate, or some forgery of the certification or something, the counting is a formality.

    It looks as if the state legislatures could have taken action if they thought the process was not legal. That what you are saying? They didn’t. Was this because they couldn’t because they were not in session? I recall there were entreaties to Governor Kemp to call the Georgia legislature but he didn’t. The other states have Democrat governors so I’m sure they would not. Do I have this accurate?

    Some state the leadership of the Legislator can call a session like Florida. George requires a 2/3rd vote. Wisconsin is majority of both houses, or a committee in each hours, Pennsylvania it looks like it requires the Governor to call a special session if a majority request but there is no penalty if he does not it looks like.

    The state legislatures are obligated to do this no matter what. Don’t ask me about the particulars, but that is just a fact. If it’s up to the Governor, they can clearly just tell him to screw himself. That’s my understanding.

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  10. Brian Clendinen Inactive
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    Its so weird being were I can’t stand either side for the emotional rhetoric. Trump needs to go but other than lying to his supporters that their was still a chance on Jan 6th he was not responsible for the Riot.  Him stating the election was stolen and their was fraud is a perfectly reasonable statement. However he stood no chance after the states decided to due nothing and the Supreme court refused to uphold the constitution and state only the state legislators have the power to change any election laws at the state level.

    The media is way more responsible for the RIOTS if you want to blame the real instigators. His supports and himself are disillusion to think they can act like the far left on tactics. He was able to get away with it on the lying side and personal attacks which is a typical democrat MO.  However because they don’t’ have a majority of their party and the media to cover for them they could not get away with RIOTs. That is not necessarily a bad thing.

    The Republicans should not kick him out of the party because they will piss off to many people although it might make their friends happy and you could make an argument its a proportional response.

    Its obvious most people responses are based on their personal feeling for or against Trump not based on rational logic and comparisons to the state out politics is current in. No one seems to want a proportional response when it comes to Trumps bad behavior especially when the whole Democratic leadership regularly one ups him on it. Also considering most national Republicans are just better lyiers because they don’t grandstand like Trump. However I don’t think they are that much less dishonest (leadership) over the last 20 years in practice compared to Trump.

    I wish both the Republican and Democratic parties would burn to the ground. The party leadership only cares about power. Neither side has any principles. Although there is a minority of back benchers in the Republican party much more at the state level who are principled.

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  11. Brian Clendinen Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    . All the votes were certified under state law

    IANAL, but unqualified statements like this give me pause. It seems to me a state legal system is a web with laws having an interconnected aspect that might cause a defect in the certification if the underlying voting was done through means adopted unconstitutionally. Is my reasoning process defective here?

    The statute provides no method for Congress to get into the intra-state controversies. It refers to the certification process in 3 usc 6, which, basically upholds the doctrine that states are expected to sort out their own controversies, if any, before certifying their electors. The state executive is to report the resolution of the controversy as part of the certification process. So, again, any electors certified under 3 usc 6 cannot be rejected, so long as there is no alternate slate sent by the state.

    In the absence of that alternate slate, or some forgery of the certification or something, the counting is a formality.

    It looks as if the state legislatures could have taken action if they thought the process was not legal. That what you are saying? They didn’t. Was this because they couldn’t because they were not in session? I recall there were entreaties to Governor Kemp to call the Georgia legislature but he didn’t. The other states have Democrat governors so I’m sure they would not. Do I have this accurate?

    Some state the leadership of the Legislator can call a session like Florida. George requires a 2/3rd vote. Wisconsin is majority of both houses, or a committee in each hours, Pennsylvania it looks like it requires the Governor to call a special session if a majority request but there is no penalty if he does not it looks like.

    The state legislatures are obligated to do this no matter what. Don’t ask me about the particulars, but that is just a fact. If it’s up to the Governor, they can clearly just tell him to screw himself. That’s my understanding.

    The problem is they have made no Criminal penalties for courts and the executive branch to go against them. Until they are putting real statutory penalties into the law. Passing good laws is no longer enough. There has to be criminal penalties when laws especially the constitution is broken.

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    Jerry has a good list of people who have called for Trump’s removal. I would like to associate myself with Founder Rob Long’s statement at the Ricochet Flagship Podcast today at the 1:06:00 point as to what we should do with Trump:

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

     

    I, and many others, find this despicable statement. It’s a call to violence. It’s inciting hatred. It’s also not Gary’s statement, but Rob’s on the podcast. (As Gary clearly points out.)

    Not good.

    But Gary also clearly associated himself with it so it’s his as well.

    I agree with a lot of what Gary posts, and disagree a lot of it as well. Either way, he has always seemed like a good hearted guy, even if he gets carried away sometimes. Some of his more sentimental posts make that good naturedness pretty clear.

    At times, he’s nearly alone in keeping the Member feed from becoming a completely closed echo chamber.

    And yet, his comments send people over the edge and threads end up becoming dart throwing at Gary contests. It’s annoying. This is why one of the rules around here (lightly enforced) is that you should play the ball, not the man. That keeps discussions on track and interesting.

    There is at least as much Gary Derangement Syndrome as there is Trump Derangement Syndrome in Member Feed commentary. It would be nice if people would stick to the “play the ball” rule.

     

    One big difference is that Gary has earned it, the old fashioned way:  he worked for it.

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  13. Gary Robbins Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Jerry has a good list of people who have called for Trump’s removal. I would like to associate myself with Founder Rob Long’s statement at the Ricochet Flagship Podcast today at the 1:06:00 point as to what we should do with Trump:

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

     

    I, and many others, find this despicable statement. It’s a call to violence. It’s inciting hatred. It’s also not Gary’s statement, but Rob’s on the podcast. (As Gary clearly points out.)

    Not good.

    But Gary also clearly associated himself with it so it’s his as well.

    I agree with a lot of what Gary posts, and disagree a lot of it as well. Either way, he has always seemed like a good hearted guy, even if he gets carried away sometimes. Some of his more sentimental posts make that good naturedness pretty clear.

    At times, he’s nearly alone in keeping the Member feed from becoming a completely closed echo chamber.

    And yet, his comments send people over the edge and threads end up becoming dart throwing at Gary contests. It’s annoying. This is why one of the rules around here (lightly enforced) is that you should play the ball, not the man. That keeps discussions on track and interesting.

    There is at least as much Gary Derangement Syndrome as there is Trump Derangement Syndrome in Member Feed commentary. It would be nice if people would stick to the “play the ball” rule.

     

    One big difference is that Gary has earned it, the old fashioned way: he worked for it.

    Thank you.  My commitment is the Republic as created by the Founders in Philadelphia.  

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  14. RufusRJones Member
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    Jerry has a good list of people who have called for Trump’s removal. I would like to associate myself with Founder Rob Long’s statement at the Ricochet Flagship Podcast today at the 1:06:00 point as to what we should do with Trump:

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

     

    I, and many others, find this despicable statement. It’s a call to violence. It’s inciting hatred. It’s also not Gary’s statement, but Rob’s on the podcast. (As Gary clearly points out.)

    Not good.

    But Gary also clearly associated himself with it so it’s his as well.

    I agree with a lot of what Gary posts, and disagree a lot of it as well. Either way, he has always seemed like a good hearted guy, even if he gets carried away sometimes. Some of his more sentimental posts make that good naturedness pretty clear.

    At times, he’s nearly alone in keeping the Member feed from becoming a completely closed echo chamber.

    And yet, his comments send people over the edge and threads end up becoming dart throwing at Gary contests. It’s annoying. This is why one of the rules around here (lightly enforced) is that you should play the ball, not the man. That keeps discussions on track and interesting.

    There is at least as much Gary Derangement Syndrome as there is Trump Derangement Syndrome in Member Feed commentary. It would be nice if people would stick to the “play the ball” rule.

     

    One big difference is that Gary has earned it, the old fashioned way: he worked for it.

    Thank you. My commitment is the Republic as created by the Founders in Philadelphia.

    Will you please start writing anything about public policy, economics, or the structure of government etc? If you need some ideas, here you go: 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  15. Bob Thompson Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry has a good list of people who have called for Trump’s removal. I would like to associate myself with Founder Rob Long’s statement at the Ricochet Flagship Podcast today at the 1:06:00 point as to what we should do with Trump:

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

     

    I, and many others, find this despicable statement. It’s a call to violence. It’s inciting hatred. It’s also not Gary’s statement, but Rob’s on the podcast. (As Gary clearly points out.)

    Not good.

    But Gary also clearly associated himself with it so it’s his as well.

    I agree with a lot of what Gary posts, and disagree a lot of it as well. Either way, he has always seemed like a good hearted guy, even if he gets carried away sometimes. Some of his more sentimental posts make that good naturedness pretty clear.

    At times, he’s nearly alone in keeping the Member feed from becoming a completely closed echo chamber.

    And yet, his comments send people over the edge and threads end up becoming dart throwing at Gary contests. It’s annoying. This is why one of the rules around here (lightly enforced) is that you should play the ball, not the man. That keeps discussions on track and interesting.

    There is at least as much Gary Derangement Syndrome as there is Trump Derangement Syndrome in Member Feed commentary. It would be nice if people would stick to the “play the ball” rule.

     

    One big difference is that Gary has earned it, the old fashioned way: he worked for it.

    Thank you. My commitment is the Republic as created by the Founders in Philadelphia.

    @daventers Gary will make statements like this that make absolutely no sense while he is supporting a regime doing the things that we can see with our eyes. When he is asked to to defend this as policy he disappears.

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  16. RufusRJones Member
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    Jerry has a good list of people who have called for Trump’s removal. I would like to associate myself with Founder Rob Long’s statement at the Ricochet Flagship Podcast today at the 1:06:00 point as to what we should do with Trump:

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

     

    I, and many others, find this despicable statement. It’s a call to violence. It’s inciting hatred. It’s also not Gary’s statement, but Rob’s on the podcast. (As Gary clearly points out.)

    Not good.

    But Gary also clearly associated himself with it so it’s his as well.

    I agree with a lot of what Gary posts, and disagree a lot of it as well. Either way, he has always seemed like a good hearted guy, even if he gets carried away sometimes. Some of his more sentimental posts make that good naturedness pretty clear.

    At times, he’s nearly alone in keeping the Member feed from becoming a completely closed echo chamber.

    And yet, his comments send people over the edge and threads end up becoming dart throwing at Gary contests. It’s annoying. This is why one of the rules around here (lightly enforced) is that you should play the ball, not the man. That keeps discussions on track and interesting.

    There is at least as much Gary Derangement Syndrome as there is Trump Derangement Syndrome in Member Feed commentary. It would be nice if people would stick to the “play the ball” rule.

     

    One big difference is that Gary has earned it, the old fashioned way: he worked for it.

    Thank you. My commitment is the Republic as created by the Founders in Philadelphia.

    @daventers Gary will make statements like this that make absolutely no sense while he is supporting a regime doing the things that we can see with our eyes. When he is asked to to defend this as policy he disappears.

    That’s what I think.

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry has a good list of people who have called for Trump’s removal. I would like to associate myself with Founder Rob Long’s statement at the Ricochet Flagship Podcast today at the 1:06:00 point as to what we should do with Trump:

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

     

    I, and many others, find this despicable statement. It’s a call to violence. It’s inciting hatred. It’s also not Gary’s statement, but Rob’s on the podcast. (As Gary clearly points out.)

    Not good.

    But Gary also clearly associated himself with it so it’s his as well.

    I agree with a lot of what Gary posts, and disagree a lot of it as well. Either way, he has always seemed like a good hearted guy, even if he gets carried away sometimes. Some of his more sentimental posts make that good naturedness pretty clear.

    At times, he’s nearly alone in keeping the Member feed from becoming a completely closed echo chamber.

    And yet, his comments send people over the edge and threads end up becoming dart throwing at Gary contests. It’s annoying. This is why one of the rules around here (lightly enforced) is that you should play the ball, not the man. That keeps discussions on track and interesting.

    There is at least as much Gary Derangement Syndrome as there is Trump Derangement Syndrome in Member Feed commentary. It would be nice if people would stick to the “play the ball” rule.

     

    One big difference is that Gary has earned it, the old fashioned way: he worked for it.

    Thank you. My commitment is the Republic as created by the Founders in Philadelphia.

    Good one, Gary.  You’re a laugh a minute.

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

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    Jerry has a good list of people who have called for Trump’s removal. I would like to associate myself with Founder Rob Long’s statement at the Ricochet Flagship Podcast today at the 1:06:00 point as to what we should do with Trump:

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

     

    I, and many others, find this despicable statement. It’s a call to violence. It’s inciting hatred. It’s also not Gary’s statement, but Rob’s on the podcast. (As Gary clearly points out.)

    Not good.

    But Gary also clearly associated himself with it so it’s his as well.

    I agree with a lot of what Gary posts, and disagree a lot of it as well. Either way, he has always seemed like a good hearted guy, even if he gets carried away sometimes. Some of his more sentimental posts make that good naturedness pretty clear.

    At times, he’s nearly alone in keeping the Member feed from becoming a completely closed echo chamber.

    And yet, his comments send people over the edge and threads end up becoming dart throwing at Gary contests. It’s annoying. This is why one of the rules around here (lightly enforced) is that you should play the ball, not the man. That keeps discussions on track and interesting.

    There is at least as much Gary Derangement Syndrome as there is Trump Derangement Syndrome in Member Feed commentary. It would be nice if people would stick to the “play the ball” rule.

     

    One big difference is that Gary has earned it, the old fashioned way: he worked for it.

    Thank you. My commitment is the Republic as created by the Founders in Philadelphia.

    Will you please start writing anything about public policy, economics, or the structure of government etc? If you need some ideas, here you go:

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Have you forgotten?  Gary is only a family law attorney.

    • #138
  19. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Albert Arthur (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry has a good list of people who have called for Trump’s removal. I would like to associate myself with Founder Rob Long’s statement at the Ricochet Flagship Podcast today at the 1:06:00 point as to what we should do with Trump:

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

    I, and many others, find this despicable statement. It’s a call to violence. It’s inciting hatred. It’s also not Gary’s statement, but Rob’s on the podcast. (As Gary clearly points out.)

    Not good.

    But Gary also clearly associated himself with it so it’s his as well.

    I agree with a lot of what Gary posts, and disagree a lot of it as well. Either way, he has always seemed like a good hearted guy, even if he gets carried away sometimes. Some of his more sentimental posts make that good naturedness pretty clear.

    At times, he’s nearly alone in keeping the Member feed from becoming a completely closed echo chamber.

    And yet, his comments send people over the edge and threads end up becoming dart throwing at Gary contests. It’s annoying. This is why one of the rules around here (lightly enforced) is that you should play the ball, not the man. That keeps discussions on track and interesting.

    There is at least as much Gary Derangement Syndrome as there is Trump Derangement Syndrome in Member Feed commentary. It would be nice if people would stick to the “play the ball” rule.

    One big difference is that Gary has earned it, the old fashioned way: he worked for it.

    Thank you. My commitment is the Republic as created by the Founders in Philadelphia.

    @daventers Gary will make statements like this that make absolutely no sense while he is supporting a regime doing the things that we can see with our eyes. When he is asked to to defend this as policy he disappears.

    Actually, While he is supporting a regime outspokenly determined to undo the very institutions he claims to revere.  I don’t know if it’s possible to get more cognitively-dissonant than that.

    • #139
  20. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
    Goldwaterwoman
    @goldwaterwoman

    Albert Arthur (View Comment):
    I, and many others, find this despicable statement. It’s a call to violence. It’s inciting hatred. It’s also not Gary’s statement, but Rob’s on the podcast. (As Gary clearly points out.)

    If the admin on Ricochet can’t resist making inflammatory remarks against the president that incite discord and tolerate those who agree with them, what in the world do they expect from the members who respectfully try to keep faith with the Code of Conduct? 

    • #140
  21. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Albert Arthur (View Comment):
    I, and many others, find this despicable statement. It’s a call to violence. It’s inciting hatred. It’s also not Gary’s statement, but Rob’s on the podcast. (As Gary clearly points out.)

    If the admin on Ricochet can’t resist making inflammatory remarks against the president that incite discord and tolerate those who agree with them, what in the world do they expect from the members who respectfully try to keep faith with the Code of Conduct?

    Obviously, “do as we say, not as we do.”  It’s a classic.

    • #141
  22. Saint Augustine Member
    Saint Augustine
    @SaintAugustine

    Roderic (View Comment):

    If the President hadn’t ginned up his supporters about the election the riots in DC would not have happened, so maybe he should resign. Regardless, he’s gone in 2 weeks.

    If we had a reliable, fair and truthful press then the riots would not have happened. Unfortunately, we have nothing like that, so when the press reported that the election was fair no one believed them, not even their own side believes them. So they should resign, too. They’ve been pushing one false narrative after another, so their credibility is long gone never to return. They are useless and worthless and ought to make way for better people.

    If the Democrats had not debased the electoral process by enabling election fraud with mail-in ballots and the like, the riot in DC would never have happened. If they hadn’t spent 4 years calling half of the American people racists, if they hadn’t pushed one false narrative about Trump after another, one coup attempt after another, there would have been no riot. So the Democrats should all resign.

    As for the NeverTrumpers and their ilk, they exist only to puff themselves up with their own sense of superior morality, and they have no particular influence or effect otherwise.

    Yes!  This sort of fair criticism that blames everyone who deserves it–this is the sort of criticism of Trump I can get behind!

    • #142
  23. Hoyacon Member
    Hoyacon
    @Hoyacon

    Albert Arthur (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry has a good list of people who have called for Trump’s removal. I would like to associate myself with Founder Rob Long’s statement at the Ricochet Flagship Podcast today at the 1:06:00 point as to what we should do with Trump:

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

    Kill the demon. And then move on.

    Trash him, Cut him loose. Bury him 20 feet deep.

    I, and many others, find this despicable statement. It’s a call to violence. It’s inciting hatred. It’s also not Gary’s statement, but Rob’s on the podcast. (As Gary clearly points out.)

    Not good.

    Both are true.  Gary has quoted it with approval.  That makes it “his” as well.

    • #143
  24. CRD Member
    CRD
    @CRD

    Albert Arthur (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    I, and many others, find this despicable statement. It’s a call to violence. It’s inciting hatred. It’s also not Gary’s statement, but Rob’s on the podcast. (As Gary clearly points out.)

    Not good.

    Are you sure it’s not good? Maybe Rob was seeking redemption.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnBrennan/status/1348051973174652928

     

     

    • #144
  25. Hoyacon Member
    Hoyacon
    @Hoyacon

    CRD (View Comment):

    Albert Arthur (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I, and many others, find this despicable statement. It’s a call to violence. It’s inciting hatred. It’s also not Gary’s statement, but Rob’s on the podcast. (As Gary clearly points out.)

    Not good.

    Are you sure it’s not good? Maybe Rob was seeking redemption.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnBrennan/status/1348051973174652928

    May I quote?  John Brennan:

    Anyone now seeking national redemption by claiming to no longer support Trump must acknowledge how wrong it was to ignore & enable his corrupt, dishonest, & divisive agenda. Total denunciation of a despot’s legacy is necessary to eradicate any remaining malignancy.

    How totalitarian is that?  This should be on a plaque in the totalitarian Hall of Fame.

     

    • #145
  26. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    CRD (View Comment):

    Albert Arthur (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I, and many others, find this despicable statement. It’s a call to violence. It’s inciting hatred. It’s also not Gary’s statement, but Rob’s on the podcast. (As Gary clearly points out.)

    Not good.

    Are you sure it’s not good? Maybe Rob was seeking redemption.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnBrennan/status/1348051973174652928

    May I quote? John Brennan:

    Anyone now seeking national redemption by claiming to no longer support Trump must acknowledge how wrong it was to ignore & enable his corrupt, dishonest, & divisive agenda. Total denunciation of a despot’s legacy is necessary to eradicate any remaining malignancy.

    How totalitarian is that? This should be on a plaque in the totalitarian Hall of Fame.

    “In order to undo the damage of someone we claim was totalitarian, you have to let US be ACTUALLY totalitarian.”  Brilliant.

    • #146
  27. CRD Member
    CRD
    @CRD

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    CRD (View Comment):

    Albert Arthur (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I, and many others, find this despicable statement. It’s a call to violence. It’s inciting hatred. It’s also not Gary’s statement, but Rob’s on the podcast. (As Gary clearly points out.)

    Not good.

    Are you sure it’s not good? Maybe Rob was seeking redemption.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnBrennan/status/1348051973174652928

    May I quote? John Brennan:

    Anyone now seeking national redemption by claiming to no longer support Trump must acknowledge how wrong it was to ignore & enable his corrupt, dishonest, & divisive agenda. Total denunciation of a despot’s legacy is necessary to eradicate any remaining malignancy.

    How totalitarian is that? This should be on a plaque in the totalitarian Hall of Fame.

     

    Thank you for quoting. I should have typed the message myself; I was being lazy.

    • #147
  28. Hoyacon Member
    Hoyacon
    @Hoyacon

    CRD (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    CRD (View Comment):

    Albert Arthur (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I, and many others, find this despicable statement. It’s a call to violence. It’s inciting hatred. It’s also not Gary’s statement, but Rob’s on the podcast. (As Gary clearly points out.)

    Not good.

    Are you sure it’s not good? Maybe Rob was seeking redemption.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnBrennan/status/1348051973174652928

    May I quote? John Brennan:

    Anyone now seeking national redemption by claiming to no longer support Trump must acknowledge how wrong it was to ignore & enable his corrupt, dishonest, & divisive agenda. Total denunciation of a despot’s legacy is necessary to eradicate any remaining malignancy.

    How totalitarian is that? This should be on a plaque in the totalitarian Hall of Fame.

    Thank you for quoting. I should have typed the message myself; I was being lazy.

    Nah.  I never would’ve seen it except for you.  I thank you.

    • #148
  29. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Brian Clendinen (View Comment):

    Its so weird being were I can’t stand either side for the emotional rhetoric. Trump needs to go but other than lying to his supporters that their was still a chance on Jan 6th he was not responsible for the Riot. Him stating the election was stolen and their was fraud is a perfectly reasonable statement. However he stood no chance after the states decided to due nothing and the Supreme court refused to uphold the constitution and state only the state legislators have the power to change any election laws at the state level.

    The media is way more responsible for the RIOTS if you want to blame the real instigators. His supports and himself are disillusion to think they can act like the far left on tactics. He was able to get away with it on the lying side and personal attacks which is a typical democrat MO. However because they don’t’ have a majority of their party and the media to cover for them they could not get away with RIOTs. That is not necessarily a bad thing.

    The Republicans should not kick him out of the party because they will piss off to many people although it might make their friends happy and you could make an argument its a proportional response.

    Its obvious most people responses are based on their personal feeling for or against Trump not based on rational logic and comparisons to the state out politics is current in. No one seems to want a proportional response when it comes to Trumps bad behavior especially when the whole Democratic leadership regularly one ups him on it. Also considering most national Republicans are just better lyiers because they don’t grandstand like Trump. However I don’t think they are that much less dishonest (leadership) over the last 20 years in practice compared to Trump.

    I wish both the Republican and Democratic parties would burn to the ground. The party leadership only cares about power. Neither side has any principles. Although there is a minority of back benchers in the Republican party much more at the state level who are principled.

    I like your comment and I am in accord with much of it. I’m more cautious in saying that President Trump is lying, not because many things he says are not feasible or even unreasonable and frequently untrue, but because I don’t ascribe the intent of lying to him in the same way as I do to other politicians. His exaggerations and misconceptions are part of his personality that reaches beyond what most people are willing to put on the line. Most of the time he is stretching for the right thing. That’s just me, though. I’m not sure about the Republicans at the state level since we got a lot of talk but little action on the election fraud.

    • #149
  30. Concretevol Thatcher
    Concretevol
    @Concretevol

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Concretevol(View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…: Here is a partial list of Republicans or conservatives who have called for President Trump’s immediate removal from office following the reprehensible rioting on January 6, either through the 25th Amendment or by impeachment and conviction.

    They are all virtue signalling, but it should be no surprise. While I like them normally, they are dead wrong in their insane hatred of the best President we’ve had since Reagan. In fact, Trump has been better than Reagan in that he go more things done. You may not like Trump’s personality, but he opened a nerve on the left that, interestingly, also opened nerves to some on the right.

    I said it and thought it too. I dont have an insane hatred of the president and I’m not virtue signaling. It was a reaction to something that HAD NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. Save the Trump defenses for a time he deserves it. This ain’t that time.

    If we’re getting irrational calls for impeachment and use of the 25th Amendment, when is the time?

    Not irrational, although I think misplaced.  Still seems to be reserved for an actual illness.  Trump is an egomaniac and possibly a little nuts but impeachment is the political tool to use if something will be.

    • #150
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