The Immediate Calls to Remove Trump Were Irresponsible

 

In the wake of the rioting at the Capitol on Wednesday, there have been many calls for President Trump to be either removed pursuant to the 25th Amendment, or impeached by the House and removed by the Senate.

I find these suggestions to be well past unwarranted, and beyond irresponsible. I find them to be deranged.

I am not surprised that many Democrats — apparently including Speaker Pelosi and Minority Leader Schumer — have made such demands. I don’t actually consider them to be deranged. I think that they are scheming, dishonest politicians, which is no surprise.

I am surprised to see such deranged hysteria from Republicans.

Here is a partial list of Republicans or conservatives who have called for President Trump’s immediate removal from office following the reprehensible rioting on January 6, either through the 25th Amendment or by impeachment and conviction. I would appreciate any additions to this list.

  1. David French (here). Dated January 6.
  2. The Dispatch Staff (here). Dated January 7. I assume that this includes Jonah Goldberg and Steve Hayes.
  3. Jim Geraghty (here). Dated January 7.
  4. Kyle Smith (of National Review, here). Dated January 7.
  5. Most sadly, our own editor Jon Gabriel (here). Dated January 6.
  6. Erick Erickson (here). Dated January 8.

One would hope that thoughtful, respected, professional commentators would refrain from proposing anything so drastic for, say, at least 2-3 days. One might want to see how events unfolded. One might want to gather additional information. One might want to, well, act like a responsible adult.

Sadly, though he does not approve on prudential grounds, even Andy McCarthy has opined that the President’s actions are impeachable (here, dated January 7).

I am also disappointed in Sen. Ben Sasse who stated (here): “The House, if they come together and have a process, I will definitely consider whatever articles they might move . . . I believe the president has disregarded his oath of office…what he did was wicked.”

I don’t know whether I feel like Jeremiah, or like Cassandra, or like a lowly broken record. Over and over again, in times of crisis as events unfold, I have urged people to stay calm and reserve judgment. In this case, order was restored within about 6 hours, and Congress proceeded to confirm President-Elect Biden’s victory.

I have previously, and unequivocally, condemned the lawless and barbarous storming of the Capitol by rioting miscreants. Nothing that I write should be construed to justify such criminality. I have also criticized some of the President’s claim, such as his insistence that he won in a “landslide.” I also criticize his negative tweet about Vice President Pence Trump. I do not condone such rhetorical excess. I simply object to the deranged overreaction, too.

Of those that I’ve seen thus far, David French takes the derangement gold medal. Not only does he want the President removed from office, but yesterday (January 7), he tweeted: “Expel Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz.” (Here.)

What is the proper response to such derangement? Generally, I think that we should simply stop reading, or listening to, anything said by these commentators who have demonstrated such poor judgment. At least until and unless they issue an apology. We should always be prepared to extend forgiveness to those who act intemperately, in the heat of a moment.

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  1. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Soon Trump will be gone and the Democrats/Never Trump will have to go back to hating the Deplorables directly again without the excuse of Trump as a mask for their hatred.

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  2. Gary Robbins Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    From today’s Bulwark (https://thebulwark.com/the-constitutional-and-moral-imperative-of-immediate-impeachment/):

    The Constitutional and Moral Imperative of Immediate Impeachment

    “[I]t is plain that President Trump deserves impeachment and removal from office. He must not be allowed to leave office, gracelessly, claiming grievance as if the rightfully reelected holder of the presidency—a pretender to the throne, seeking to govern from “exile.” He must be forced to leave office, involuntarily, in ignominy and in shame, for his commission of high crimes and misdemeanors against the American republic.”

    After hours and hours and hours of requests to Mr. Robbins to tone things down at certain times, we get an article from a publication with absolutely no credibility other than as an enclave of haters.

    But tomorrow or the next day or the next day, there’ll be a “friendly “Aren’t I warm and cuddly” post like the one on Tommy Lasorda. Don’t let it fool you.

    You are free to post on Tommy Lasorda.  

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  3. Gary Robbins Member
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    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    From today’s Bulwark (https://thebulwark.com/the-constitutional-and-moral-imperative-of-immediate-impeachment/):

    The Constitutional and Moral Imperative of Immediate Impeachment

    “[I]t is plain that President Trump deserves impeachment and removal from office. He must not be allowed to leave office, gracelessly, claiming grievance as if the rightfully reelected holder of the presidency—a pretender to the throne, seeking to govern from “exile.” He must be forced to leave office, involuntarily, in ignominy and in shame, for his commission of high crimes and misdemeanors against the American republic.”

    After hours and hours and hours of requests to Mr. Robbins to tone things down at certain times, we get an article from a publication with absolutely no credibility other than as an enclave of haters.

    But tomorrow or the next day or the next day, there’ll be a “friendly “Aren’t I warm and cuddly” post like the one on Tommy Lasorda. Don’t let it fool you.

    You’ve noticed that too, have you?

    You are free to post on Tommy Lasorda too.

    • #63
  4. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    From today’s Bulwark (https://thebulwark.com/the-constitutional-and-moral-imperative-of-immediate-impeachment/):

    The Constitutional and Moral Imperative of Immediate Impeachment

    “[I]t is plain that President Trump deserves impeachment and removal from office. He must not be allowed to leave office, gracelessly, claiming grievance as if the rightfully reelected holder of the presidency—a pretender to the throne, seeking to govern from “exile.” He must be forced to leave office, involuntarily, in ignominy and in shame, for his commission of high crimes and misdemeanors against the American republic.”

    After hours and hours and hours of requests to Mr. Robbins to tone things down at certain times, we get an article from a publication with absolutely no credibility other than as an enclave of haters.

    But tomorrow or the next day or the next day, there’ll be a “friendly “Aren’t I warm and cuddly” post like the one on Tommy Lasorda. Don’t let it fool you.

    You are free to post on Tommy Lasorda.

    There was also a nice post on Lasorda in the baseball group.  You’re free to participate there–if it helps to ignore my point as appears to be the case.

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  5. The Reticulator Member
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    I don’t think the 25th Amendment applies, but I do think it’s fair to at least consider impeachment. Even if there had been no riot, the president was attempting to bully the vice president, and the congress for that matter, into doing something they had no legal right to do – toss the certified electoral votes aside. Toss the choices of the states aside and go for some kind of extra-legal do-over. There’s absolutely no legal basis for that.

    Congress has gotten involved in the presidential election before, of course, but only when allowed to under the law – when there was no electoral college majority or when there were more than one set of electors sent by a state with some claim to legitimacy. Nothing like that happened here.

    It may be too harsh to call it a coup attempt, but it’s close. It was an attempt to remain in power by setting aside the law, setting aside the Constitution. Despite having no legal remedies left, he promised the crowd he would never concede, never give up. What did he mean by that? It’s apparent what some in the crowd thought he meant by that. I won’t assume he intended what they did, but he was certainly reckless, and had been for weeks.

    I think all of that warrants impeachment. The only reason not to is the short time frame remaining.

    While we’re at it, how about if we pre-emptively impeach Biden for his rabble-rousing demagoguery and his failure to denounce those who are trying to destroy our institutions of free speech? 

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  6. Bishop Wash Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    I don’t think the 25th Amendment applies, but I do think it’s fair to at least consider impeachment. Even if there had been no riot, the president was attempting to bully the vice president, and the congress for that matter, into doing something they had no legal right to do – toss the certified electoral votes aside. Toss the choices of the states aside and go for some kind of extra-legal do-over. There’s absolutely no legal basis for that.

    Congress has gotten involved in the presidential election before, of course, but only when allowed to under the law – when there was no electoral college majority or when there were more than one set of electors sent by a state with some claim to legitimacy. Nothing like that happened here.

    It may be too harsh to call it a coup attempt, but it’s close. It was an attempt to remain in power by setting aside the law, setting aside the Constitution. Despite having no legal remedies left, he promised the crowd he would never concede, never give up. What did he mean by that? It’s apparent what some in the crowd thought he meant by that. I won’t assume he intended what they did, but he was certainly reckless, and had been for weeks.

    I think all of that warrants impeachment. The only reason not to is the short time frame remaining.

    While we’re at it, how about if we pre-emptively impeach Biden for his rabble-rousing demagoguery and his failure to denounce those who are trying to destroy our institutions of free speech?

    Or, since Trump was impeached for Biden’s crimes last go around, how about we impeach the real culprit this time.

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  7. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…:

    What is the proper response to such derangement? Generally, I think that we should simply stop reading, or listening to, anything said by these commentators who have demonstrated such poor judgment. At least until and unless they issue an apology.

    I’m not sure what other options there would be. I have to tell you, from my conversations these last few days with some pretty hard core Republicans, these pundits are not alone. Trump’s support has cratered, as I guess it should.

     

    No, it has not cratered except with those who live in the swamp feeding trough.  They are very unhappy. If that is a problem to you, you might give some thought to the future.  Trump’s worst failure was to think the country was still salvageable.

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  8. Bob Thompson Member
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    MichaelKennedy (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…:

    What is the proper response to such derangement? Generally, I think that we should simply stop reading, or listening to, anything said by these commentators who have demonstrated such poor judgment. At least until and unless they issue an apology.

    I’m not sure what other options there would be. I have to tell you, from my conversations these last few days with some pretty hard core Republicans, these pundits are not alone. Trump’s support has cratered, as I guess it should.

    No, it has not cratered except with those who live in the swamp feeding trough. They are very unhappy. If that is a problem to you, you might give some thought to the future. Trump’s worst failure was to think the country was still salvageable.

    We don’t know what he really thinks. He took the wind out of Hillary, gave me some good times toward the end of my time.

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  9. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I have been to the Capitol several times. Each time I went through a metal detector as did everyone else. The people have the right to go to their capitol and to seek redress of their grievances. During the enactment of Obamacare, concerned patriots surrounded the Capitol and made noise, but there was no attempt to breach the building. On Wednesday, the Capitol was breached by a mob for the first time since the War of 1812.

    In England members of parliaments had been harassed by the King as they would come and go to parliament. Accordingly, Section 6 of Article I of the Constitution states that Senators and Representatives “shall in all cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their attendance at their Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same.” In other words, protecting members of congress from the executive and courts is a matter of constitutional importance.

    Here, a mob breached the Capitol of the United States at the instigation of the President. Five people died, including a Capitol Police Officer. The Senate Chambers were defiled by this mob, as well as the Speaker’s own office. The mob tried to break into the House, while House Members were still present there. This is a prima facie case for the abuse of power by the President. Trump should be impeached. His term of office will expire before there can be a trial in the Senate. However, impeachment is proper for two reasons. First, if Trump tries such a stunt in the future, the Senate could simply vote on the Articles of Impeachment in a matter of minutes. Second, the other remedy in addition to removal from office is that the offending President can no longer hold any office. If Trump did what it appears that he did, he should be disqualified from ever holding any office in the future.

    Another NT rant,.

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  10. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…:

    What is the proper response to such derangement? Generally, I think that we should simply stop reading, or listening to, anything said by these commentators who have demonstrated such poor judgment. At least until and unless they issue an apology.

    I’m not sure what other options there would be. I have to tell you, from my conversations these last few days with some pretty hard core Republicans, these pundits are not alone. Trump’s support has cratered, as I guess it should.

    I don’t find that bothersome. I do find calls to “punish” him by kicking him to the curb with twelve days left reprehensible.

    Something to be learned here as we look at the narrow legal interpretations used to evaluate constitutional issues related to election law in the battleground states compared to the broad license taken when accusing the President’s speech as inciting rioting at the Capitol.

    The lesson learned is for no businessman to ever look higher that donating to grifters, no matter how incompetent they are.  Not a member of the club, don’t you know, sniff.

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  11. The Reticulator Member
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…:

    What is the proper response to such derangement? Generally, I think that we should simply stop reading, or listening to, anything said by these commentators who have demonstrated such poor judgment. At least until and unless they issue an apology.

    I’m not sure what other options there would be. I have to tell you, from my conversations these last few days with some pretty hard core Republicans, these pundits are not alone. Trump’s support has cratered, as I guess it should.

     

    I support him. 

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  12. Hoyacon Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Here, a mob breached the Capitol of the United States at the instigation of the President. Five people died, including a Capitol Police Officer. The Senate Chambers were defiled by this mob, as well as the Speaker’s own office. The mob tried to break into the House, while House Members were still present there. This is a prima facie case for the abuse of power by the President. Trump should be impeached. His term of office will expire before there can be a trial in the Senate. However, impeachment is proper for two reasons. First, if Trump tries such a stunt in the future, the Senate could simply vote on the Articles of Impeachment in a matter of minutes. Second, the other remedy in addition to removal from office is that the offending President can no longer hold any office. If Trump did what it appears that he did, he should be disqualified from ever holding any office in the future.

    Gary, my friend, you are suffering the same derangement as the people listed in the OP on the issue of incitement. I don’t think that anything that I say can convince you.

    On the claim that “[f]ive people died,” this is really careless. It appears that there were a total of five deaths, but it’s not clear that they were related to the riot in a meaningful way.

    One clearly was — the woman, Ashli Babbitt, who was shot while trying to break in to the Speaker’s Lobby.

    There is a report of a police officer who was injured, and later died. The facts are a bit vague here, as the report that I read indicated that he returned to his office/precinct, then collapsed, was taken to the hospital, and died. It is quite possible that he died as a result of his injuries, but I’m withholding judgment pending further information.

    I understand that the rioters smashed the police officer Brian D. Sicknick in the face with a fire extinguisher during this “mostly peaceful” riot. Here is a picture of the murdered officer.

    Not that it would matter to you, but the officer’s family has requested that his death not be “politicized,” and has requested a moratorium until there are further facts. So what “you understand” is the usual tone-deaf response to events. Sheesh.

    Cricket on predictable crickets,

    • #72
  13. EDISONPARKS Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    From today’s Bulwark (https://thebulwark.com/the-constitutional-and-moral-imperative-of-immediate-impeachment/):

    The Constitutional and Moral Imperative of Immediate Impeachment

    “[I]t is plain that President Trump deserves impeachment and removal from office. He must not be allowed to leave office, gracelessly, claiming grievance as if the rightfully reelected holder of the presidency—a pretender to the throne, seeking to govern from “exile.” He must be forced to leave office, involuntarily, in ignominy and in shame, for his commission of high crimes and misdemeanors against the American republic.”

    Maybe put the Durham investigation on the case, you should get your impeachment trial in the next 4 to 8 years.

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  14. The Reticulator Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    But tomorrow or the next day or the next day, there’ll be a “friendly “Aren’t I warm and cuddly” post like the one on Tommy Lasorda. Don’t let it fool you.

    You are free to post on Tommy Lasorda.

    Don’t sully Tommy Lasorda’s name by trying to associate yourself with him.

    • #74
  15. Concretevol Thatcher
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…: Here is a partial list of Republicans or conservatives who have called for President Trump’s immediate removal from office following the reprehensible rioting on January 6, either through the 25th Amendment or by impeachment and conviction.

    They are all virtue signalling, but it should be no surprise. While I like them normally, they are dead wrong in their insane hatred of the best President we’ve had since Reagan. In fact, Trump has been better than Reagan in that he go more things done. You may not like Trump’s personality, but he opened a nerve on the left that, interestingly, also opened nerves to some on the right.

    I said it and thought it too.  I dont have an insane hatred of the president and I’m not virtue signaling.  It was a reaction to something that HAD NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.  Save the Trump defenses for a time he deserves it.  This ain’t that time.  

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  16. Hoyacon Member
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    Concretevol(View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…: Here is a partial list of Republicans or conservatives who have called for President Trump’s immediate removal from office following the reprehensible rioting on January 6, either through the 25th Amendment or by impeachment and conviction.

    They are all virtue signalling, but it should be no surprise. While I like them normally, they are dead wrong in their insane hatred of the best President we’ve had since Reagan. In fact, Trump has been better than Reagan in that he go more things done. You may not like Trump’s personality, but he opened a nerve on the left that, interestingly, also opened nerves to some on the right.

    I said it and thought it too. I dont have an insane hatred of the president and I’m not virtue signaling. It was a reaction to something that HAD NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. Save the Trump defenses for a time he deserves it. This ain’t that time.

    If we’re getting irrational calls for impeachment and use of the 25th Amendment, when is the time?

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  17. Headedwest Coolidge
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    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Maybe put the Durham investigation on the case, you should have get your impeachment trial in the next 4 to 8 years.

    Or maybe the next 48 years. Maybe the answer will be in Durham’s will.

     

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  18. Gary Robbins Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    But tomorrow or the next day or the next day, there’ll be a “friendly “Aren’t I warm and cuddly” post like the one on Tommy Lasorda. Don’t let it fool you.

    You are free to post on Tommy Lasorda.

    Don’t sully Tommy Lasorda’s name by trying to associate yourself with him.

    I bled Dodger Blue back before we got the Diamondbacks, thank you very much.

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  19. Gary Robbins Member
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    Jerry has a good list of people who have called for Trump’s removal.  I would like to associate myself with Founder Rob Long’s statement at the Ricochet Flagship Podcast today at the 1:06:00 point as to what we should do with Trump:

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose. 

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it. 

    But not just not talk about him, trash him. 

    Kill the demon. And then move on. 

    Trash him, Cut him loose. Bury him 20 feet deep.

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  20. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry has a good list of people who have called for Trump’s removal. I would like to associate myself with Founder Rob Long’s statement at the Ricochet Flagship Podcast today at the 1:06:00 point as to what we should do with Trump:

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

    Kill the demon. And then move on.

    Trash him, Cut him loose. Bury him 20 feet deep.

    Lol.  The reveal continues.  Remember this the next time we hear about being a Christian.

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  21. Hoyacon Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry has a good list of people who have called for Trump’s removal. I would like to associate myself with Founder Rob Long’s statement at the Ricochet Flagship Podcast today at the 1:06:00 point as to what we should do with Trump:

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

    Kill the demon. And then move on.

    Trash him, Cut him loose. Bury him 20 feet deep.

    Lol. The reveal continues. Remember this the next time we hear about being a Christian.

    Oh, and if Gary’s paraphrase is correct (open to question) , the “founder” can go take a long walk off a short pier.

     

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  22. Bob Thompson Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry has a good list of people who have called for Trump’s removal. I would like to associate myself with Founder Rob Long’s statement at the Ricochet Flagship Podcast today at the 1:06:00 point as to what we should do with Trump:

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

    Kill the demon. And then move on.

    Trash him, Cut him loose. Bury him 20 feet deep.

    Lol. The reveal continues. Remember this the next time we hear about being a Christian.

    I think this is going to get very interesting as the actions and reactions work through families and other close relationships. @garyrobbins is indeed revealing how accordant he is with the extreme Left. Reagan Republican is a joke.

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  23. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry has a good list of people who have called for Trump’s removal. I would like to associate myself with Founder Rob Long’s statement at the Ricochet Flagship Podcast today at the 1:06:00 point as to what we should do with Trump:

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

    Kill the demon. And then move on.

    Trash him, Cut him loose. Bury him 20 feet deep.

    I hope they do.  I want to watch them burn.

    • #83
  24. Hoyacon Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry has a good list of people who have called for Trump’s removal. I would like to associate myself with Founder Rob Long’s statement at the Ricochet Flagship Podcast today at the 1:06:00 point as to what we should do with Trump:

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

    Kill the demon. And then move on.

    Trash him, Cut him loose. Bury him 20 feet deep.

    Lol. The reveal continues. Remember this the next time we hear about being a Christian.

    I think this is going to get very interesting as the actions and reactions work through families and other close relationships. @garyrobbins is indeed revealing how accordant he is with the extreme Left. Reagan Republican is a joke.

    But some may still buy it.  Strange.

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  25. kedavis Coolidge
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    The 25th Amendment groundwork is kinda genius, though.  When it’s all done all they have to do is change the name from Donald Trump to Joseph Biden.

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  26. kedavis Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Here, a mob breached the Capitol of the United States at the instigation of the President. Five people died, including a Capitol Police Officer. The Senate Chambers were defiled by this mob, as well as the Speaker’s own office. The mob tried to break into the House, while House Members were still present there. This is a prima facie case for the abuse of power by the President. Trump should be impeached. His term of office will expire before there can be a trial in the Senate. However, impeachment is proper for two reasons. First, if Trump tries such a stunt in the future, the Senate could simply vote on the Articles of Impeachment in a matter of minutes. Second, the other remedy in addition to removal from office is that the offending President can no longer hold any office. If Trump did what it appears that he did, he should be disqualified from ever holding any office in the future.

    Gary, my friend, you are suffering the same derangement as the people listed in the OP on the issue of incitement. I don’t think that anything that I say can convince you.

    On the claim that “[f]ive people died,” this is really careless. It appears that there were a total of five deaths, but it’s not clear that they were related to the riot in a meaningful way.

    One must remember that those bent on revenge against Trump were making judgements yesterday with hardly any information. Mr. Robbins is showing admirable restraint by being wrong today with hardly any information.

    Oh he was wrong yesterday, too.  And on Wednesday.  And Tuesday…

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…: Here is a partial list of Republicans or conservatives who have called for President Trump’s immediate removal from office following the reprehensible rioting on January 6, either through the 25th Amendment or by impeachment and conviction.

    They are all virtue signalling, but it should be no surprise. While I like them normally, they are dead wrong in their insane hatred of the best President we’ve had since Reagan. In fact, Trump has been better than Reagan in that he go more things done. You may not like Trump’s personality, but he opened a nerve on the left that, interestingly, also opened nerves to some supposedly on the right.

    That looks better.

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  28. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry has a good list of people who have called for Trump’s removal. I would like to associate myself with Founder Rob Long’s statement at the Ricochet Flagship Podcast today at the 1:06:00 point as to what we should do with Trump:

    If Republicans want to survive, they need to cut him [Trump] loose.

    Start a bonfire, throw him on it.

    But not just not talk about him, trash him.

    Kill the demon. And then move on.

    Trash him, Cut him loose. Bury him 20 feet deep.

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio…:

    In the wake of the rioting at the Capitol on Wednesday, there have been many calls for President Trump to be either removed pursuant to the 25th Amendment, or impeached by the House and removed by the Senate.

    I could take seriously an argument that a President who is merely associated with the storming of Congress should be impeached, regardless of his not having called for it and instead calling on his supporters to go home peacefully.

    I could take it seriously, that is, if there were a consistent standard.

    Real questions about election-rigging, with real evidence–and we’re supposed to presume that there was no assault on democracy there? The only assaults on democracy come from the President when some of his supporters do something stupid?

    Storming Congress is anathema if you like Trump, but endless violence is an understandable mistake if you’re Antifa/BLM?

    No, not mistake.  They do it on purpose.

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Here, a mob breached the Capitol of the United States at the instigation of the President. Five people died, including a Capitol Police Officer. The Senate Chambers were defiled by this mob, as well as the Speaker’s own office. The mob tried to break into the House, while House Members were still present there. This is a prima facie case for the abuse of power by the President. Trump should be impeached. His term of office will expire before there can be a trial in the Senate. However, impeachment is proper for two reasons. First, if Trump tries such a stunt in the future, the Senate could simply vote on the Articles of Impeachment in a matter of minutes. Second, the other remedy in addition to removal from office is that the offending President can no longer hold any office. If Trump did what it appears that he did, he should be disqualified from ever holding any office in the future.

    Gary, my friend, you are suffering the same derangement as the people listed in the OP on the issue of incitement. I don’t think that anything that I say can convince you.

    On the claim that “[f]ive people died,” this is really careless. It appears that there were a total of five deaths, but it’s not clear that they were related to the riot in a meaningful way.

    One clearly was — the woman, Ashli Babbitt, who was shot while trying to break in to the Speaker’s Lobby.

    There is a report of a police officer who was injured, and later died. The facts are a bit vague here, as the report that I read indicated that he returned to his office/precinct, then collapsed, was taken to the hospital, and died. It is quite possible that he died as a result of his injuries, but I’m withholding judgment pending further information.

    The other three reported deaths do not have any obvious connection to the rioting, and the details are sketchy. From what little I’ve seen, they are reportedly from “medical emergencies” of an unspecified nature, with the family of one of the men who died reportedly stating that it was a heart attack.

    Wait another 30 to 50 years and it will be a mass murder.

    Maybe more like 30 to 50 days.

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